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[Antihero]

/got role pm

got some work to do today and a liquor shelf to restock; will be back tonight

[Antihero]

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ok so i am caught up

...

and my head is an absolute mess rn.............

creature being apathetic is weird and not like his town games i saw in kh, c9++, and biochem sooooooooooooooooooo yeah i think that could be scummy??

i can't rly pin anything SCUMMY down in gamma's posting but i haven't seen a post of his where i've thought "yeah this is a legit read" and there's this ~please like me~ flavor i'm picking up in his posts that's giving me scummy vibes

i..... don't rly care about either of the top wagons. james' quote walls don't do anything for me and the points he makes in them are... not good. that's kinda all i have to say about him. yankee hasn't done anything besides pat himself on the back for reaction testing and sort of shuffle out an unformed smocaine case.

everyone else is a muddled jumble of pbpbbppbtpbtpbtpbtpbptptpptbptpbptbbptpbptpbtpb. mulch and transcend are ciphers. frogger's competent and it's pretty refreshing so i hope he's town? but i have yet to really townread anything he says so disappointing

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[Antihero]

1) Is it possible that my posts are bad because I have little experience on the site?
2) Why are my posts "bad?" What does that mean? Does it mean scummy, and if so, why not hop on my wagon? Does it mean noobish, and if so, see question 1? Does it mean
Not advancing town wincon, and if so, what is your definition of "Town wincon?"Bad is super vauge and doesn't really mean much to me.
3) Is it possible that creature could just be busy?

1 yes
2 dogearring this for after work
3 i guess....? in that case i would expect flat out sitewide silence but yeah i guess it's possible this game requires time he may not have

[Antihero]

yeah I agree on Creature, he's had his chance, we should burn him eventually
And I guess that's a fair assessment, I've been kinda wanting to pin down my reads for everyone but I've been in the moment for the most part, I'll probably get that done today

uh...... idk why that's just now happening now that i said something but yeah you do whatcha wanna do

oh look creature's making word noises

[Antihero]

But anyways I'm probably wrong

VOTE: yankee

town.

ya know... semantics argument w flavor leaf aside...

i was also kinda surprised you flipped on james when you did

[Antihero]

y, frogger and transcend off the top of my head

for.... reasons....?

[Antihero]

i feel like there are scum on this wagon.

i mean.... yeah. any group of 4 is prob going to have scum...?

[Antihero]

sry what's you're point again?

[Antihero]

boooooooooring

[Antihero]

Anyone townreads Gamma?

is this asking me for townreads?
fyi so far they're Hawk, Flavor Leaf, Smokey, Trans, Anti, maybe Chara?
Mulch, Froggy in the null zone
2iam is just up in the air
Creats, James and Yankee are me scumreads

tell me more about chara and 2iam

[Antihero]

Chara I feel like their efforting is towny but I kinda want a second opinion from someone who maybe knows more about how to read them
2iam I get some scumvibes from them but I kinda feel they have low team viability with my other scumreads

2iam hasn't said anything interesting or compelling to me but i sorta feel like his heart's in the right place (?) more town than not.

errrr.... chara's posting is -alright- but i'm not rly townreading it at all... when were you going to ask for this second opinion and who from? (see.... this encapsulates my problem w you this game, you don't seem very proactive. it seems like you're just kinda floating along, reacting to stuff but not rly working towards anything.)

[Antihero]

...
are you?

[Antihero]

I've never played with anti besides one game where he was declared d1 IC and went to the end in a c9++ against a SK.

she thought she could pocket me

sweet boy can't fit into pockets tho

[Antihero]

ehhhhhh ok

VOTE: creature

[Antihero]

Sorry for being very busy.

Anything I can do?

hit me in the face

w read(s)

[Antihero]

So now what

FOS Mulch

Why are you posting this? There's activity in the game.

beeteedubs this feels kinda out of nowhere and weird

like... the game DOES have sort of a stalled-out feel rn...?

[Antihero]

not buying that creature suddenly doesn't know how to play mafia

[Antihero]

This is a bad wagon. Look at the common threads in the James/Gamma wagons and you'll find the scum.

well......?

[Antihero]

it's better to hunt his partners than him.

...why?

when you've got obvscum, lynch the obvscum

[Antihero]

Also you know I'm not Vanilla so why would I go through the trouble of constructing a fake Miller claim just to get lazy and be scum read anyway.

you've been here way too long to think that day vanilla cop in a normal would actually be a thing

just sayin

[Antihero]

what are you confused about?

[Antihero]

oh.... i probably should've read the rules.......

[Antihero]

Anti well... I guess I just missed the anti voting creature part but it felt like him and transcend earlier were too willing to give him a chance to town it up..Which he hasnt imo.

ok so if we're to give no quarter then.....

where are you?

[Antihero]

bacon + mushroom = objectively best muffin

[Antihero]

bacon + mushroom = objectively best muffin

VOTE: antihero

FUCK YOU SWEET TOOTHED LEMMING

you didn't even pick the best sweet. that's banana + peanut butter

[Antihero]

your life is horrible

[Antihero]

two's gamma defense is starting to take on a little bit of a white-knighty flavor to me

what are the "two false claims" or whatever...?

[Antihero]

err...........

how are those germane to the gamma case?

[Antihero]

His demeanor and approach towards things albeit very wrong all appear genuine.

yeah... i would've agreed w that a couple days ago but this:

GammaisObvtown, James is obvtown.

is kinda starting to feel scummy

i guess it's possible he's a titus-clone (esp if he genuinely took your "claims" seriously) but he SEEMED a little more reasonable than that to me at first...

[Antihero]

Does Titus-clone = alt of Titus? Cos I think they were in the same game once

no, i just meant someone w the same pants-on-head style. i don't literally mean an alt

[Antihero]

I'm not an alt. I have all my games published on my wiki.

wouldn't voting fitz or creature (ostensibly null reads to you) go a lot further towards saving OBVTOWN gamma than spinning your wheels on an FL vanity wagon that's (obviously) going nowhere?

[Antihero]

really now...?

w the way things are currently going, do you expect an FL lynch?

[Antihero]

not what i asked

[Antihero]

w the way things are currently going, do you expect an FL lynch?

[Antihero]

...why...?

[Antihero]

i need to stop playing the game until YOU'RE certain of something?

yeah... no

[Antihero]

from post timing, i was assuming trans was telling me to stop questioning you

but if he's saying to not hammer creature then.... ok whatever

it's not a trick question. yes or no, do you believe FL is likely to be lynched today?

[Antihero]

there is zero reason to be evasive here

[Antihero]

is two usually this difficult?

[Antihero]

I've played with 2in10 before, and this is incredibly untownie behavior for him.

citation plz

[Antihero]

ok let's try this

do you or do you not agree with the statement that it would be better to lynch one of your nulls read than gamma?

[Antihero]

ok let's try this

do you or do you not agree with the statement that it would be better to lynch one of your nulls read than gamma?

I do agree with that, but I think there's a high probability of a green flip which would make me look scum later on.

being on a mislynch doesn't make you look like scum

sitting on your ass while one of your two strongest professed "townreads" gets lynched DOES make you look like scum tho

[Antihero]

Well if it's a damned if i do damned if I don't scenario there's not much I can do about that.

no idea where you would get this but ...ok

now on to part 2 of the question

are you AWARE that as things stand, creature or gamma are more likely to be lynched than trans or FL?

[Antihero]

@Anti - what’s the Creature case? Just that he’s being a little weird? Not totally against that as a reasoning, but that’s what I’ve picked up on. That he’s just off compared to usual.

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh not rly?

it's that when he's town he clearly makes an effort. i have never seen glorified prod dodges as part of his town MO. in this game when he is here, he's not doing anything.

[Antihero]

I'm trying to be more of a leader than a follower.

given that no one is following you, you're failing at this

[Antihero]

are you AWARE that as things stand, creature or gamma are more likely to be lynched than trans or FL?

i'm starting to think the answer to this is a genuine "no"

[Antihero]

hey

i know something fun

anyone wanna guess
what
it
is?

[Antihero]

a guilty?

who do you think it's on?

[Antihero]

no and no

but i DO want both of them to say who they think it is before i reveal

[Antihero]

hell if I know

creature? gamma?

no and no

but i DO want both of them to say who they think it is before i reveal

please read

[Antihero]

because i want creature's reaction without knowing who the guilty is. ppl's reactions ALSO give information.

Any thoughts?

for instance, you voting me makes me think you think the guilty is on you so you need to be in 1v1 mode

(but it's actually not)

(lol)

[Antihero]

distraction tactic

distraction from.......

what, exactly?

[Antihero]

a guilty?

who do you think it's on?

Flavor?

what makes you say that?

are YOU scumreading flavor now?

[Antihero]

distraction tactic

distraction from.......

what, exactly?

From effective scum hunting. Every hour you distract us from that is an hour the scum has an advantage, because no scumhunting is being done.
I'm glad you think I'm town though!

what did i JUST say?

also i never said you were town. i said i don't have a guilty on you

[Antihero]

Are you telling me you DO have a guilty on someone, but you won't share it with town? And If I'm right in reading between the lines, this guilty is on Creature?

i have said that i have a guilty that i will out as soon as creature says who he thinks it's on. i am not indefinitely withholding it.

i have also went ahead and explicitly said it's NOT creature (or gamma, everyone going after low hanging fruit is so boring) so please, please, please

READ

[Antihero]

I didn't care for his hammer so he is more suspect imo than he was yesterday.

what if i were to tell you boon (FL's main)

is notorious for hammering

[Antihero]

the
-shaaaaaaaaaade-

[Antihero]

You asked why. You don't have to agree with my answer. It's why I suspect him more than I did yesterday. It's not necessarily a guaranteed indictment on him.

ok

i wasn't telling you to agree w me i was rly just asking if that piece of information changes your perception of him at all

[Antihero]

that was not me saying brafin is the guilty

"shade" was referring to last line of fitz's preceding post

[Antihero]

brafin - creature - fitz GG?

If it is that I might just shit my pants laughing

your pants are safe

[Antihero]

if we're gonna wait for creature it's gonna be like 2 days at least anti

ok, then i will out when creature checks in on MS regardless of if he posts in this thread or not

looks like he logs on p much every day so i expect to get this train rolling soon

[Antihero]

creature you still here?

[Antihero]

well...

he guessed right

VOTE: mulch

[Antihero]

what made you say mulch?

[Antihero]

so i had kind of a queasy gut feel on mulch yesterday, he just wasn't pushing good stuff and the smocaine wagon was complete BS that took off bc smocaine just wasn't around at the time

then there's this:

VOTE: Theyankeeereeapr

I'm wondering if we're two sides on the same coin, Mulch.

^someone else picked up on this post earlier and called it a traitor crumb and when i reviewed the day last night, i kinda latched onto that theory

>54 was out of nowhere and awkward
>smocaine wagon was likely magnet for scum
>all else fails, mulch wouldn't be a bad conftown anyway

so there was p much no downside to investigating mulch

now that i know mulch is scum, i also think fitzslot really is traitor and yankee bungled the crumb

which colors how i see fitz's posting

particularly, this

So...not considering Chara, Frogger, Antihero or James for a vote any time soon.

Players I need to get a better read on are Flavor, 2mil, Transcend and Mulch.

Players I would vote are Gamma, Smoc, Creature and Hawk.

Ok....all caught up other than deeper dives I mentioned.

VOTE: Gamma

True.
I would be amazed if there wasn't at least 1 scum on my wagon. Hoping at least 2.

I guarantee I will be doing zero bussing this game.

my feeling now would be to take fitz at face value here and: gamma, smoc (already green), creature, and hawk really are all town

[Antihero]

First I expected you to pick someone hard to read, then I thought you weren't interacting with Mulch lately.

yeah i was going to do either frogger or mulch and i thought mulch was scummier of the two

[Antihero]

I think the Transcend night kill points to an experienced mafia team.

given mulch is scum ^this^ is very, very, very likely to come from town

[Antihero]

I'm gonna guess james brafin

been waffling on this but rn i don't THINK mulch would've guessed a real scumbuddy but idk how cute and cheeky mulch is as scum

[Antihero]

And if he really is scum, we should not lynch him yet; we should be looking for scumbuddies.

fuck

no

[Antihero]

yeah we're resolving the 1v1 today

not a question

[Antihero]

a guilty?

who do you think it's on?

Flavor?

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ya know......

i kinda think fitz named the lower hanging fruit buddy here and just whiffed on which one actually got caught

i don't rly have anything to support that instinct tho....

[Antihero]

If we have confirmed scum AS YOU SAY

because there is a fundamental difference between being confirmed to one person and being confirmed to everyone

it's the difference between having the 1v1 NOW and not losing if you get it wrong rather than having it LATER in lylo and losing by lynching the wrong person

[Antihero]

Is the guilty real?

yes

[Antihero]

Inverse Association, Wagon Watching, and Attacks on Confirmed Town

idk if you think this makes you sound more competent or authoritative but it does not

[Antihero]

I'm not saying we don't lynch Mulch. By all means, if you have a guilty on him, let's lynch him! If you're a liar, then we lynch you. But we shouldn't rush into this without gathering all the info we can.

hey

so while you were bellyaching about me not outing the guilty

THE INFO GENERATING STAGE WAS HAPPENING THEN

jeez....

[Antihero]

um.... ok... so.... do that then?

i'm not stopping you. and regardless of what you find you're not lynching anyone besides mulch or me today so idk what you think you're losing out on here.

what IS it that you're bellyaching about now?

[Antihero]

I'm talking about going back and looking at Mulch's behavior to see what other scum we can find.

i mean...

what do you think I'VE been doing this page?

Spoiler:

so i had kind of a queasy gut feel on mulch yesterday, he just wasn't pushing good stuff and the smocaine wagon was complete BS that took off bc smocaine just wasn't around at the time

then there's this:

VOTE: Theyankeeereeapr

I'm wondering if we're two sides on the same coin, Mulch.

^someone else picked up on this post earlier and called it a traitor crumb and when i reviewed the day last night, i kinda latched onto that theory

>54 was out of nowhere and awkward
>smocaine wagon was likely magnet for scum
>all else fails, mulch wouldn't be a bad conftown anyway

so there was p much no downside to investigating mulch

now that i know mulch is scum, i also think fitzslot really is traitor and yankee bungled the crumb

which colors how i see fitz's posting

particularly, this

So...not considering Chara, Frogger, Antihero or James for a vote any time soon.

Players I need to get a better read on are Flavor, 2mil, Transcend and Mulch.

Players I would vote are Gamma, Smoc, Creature and Hawk.

Ok....all caught up other than deeper dives I mentioned.

VOTE: Gamma

True.
I would be amazed if there wasn't at least 1 scum on my wagon. Hoping at least 2.

I guarantee I will be doing zero bussing this game.

my feeling now would be to take fitz at face value here and: gamma, smoc (already green), creature, and hawk really are all town

I think the Transcend night kill points to an experienced mafia team.

given mulch is scum ^this^ is very, very, very likely to come from town

I'm gonna guess james brafin

been waffling on this but rn i don't THINK mulch would've guessed a real scumbuddy but idk how cute and cheeky mulch is as scum

a guilty?

who do you think it's on?

Flavor?

fdjk;ldsjlkf;jdsa;lflkesanjcivlajdslkfjlksaejlkfdsjaf;lalkjfelaje;lja;lkds

ya know......

i kinda think fitz named the lower hanging fruit buddy here and just whiffed on which one actually got caught

i don't rly have anything to support that instinct tho....

[Antihero]

errrgjgdklsafjlkd;sajf;lkdsa no real point to not saying now and muddying the waters on how definitive my result is. i'm dead anyway.

i am a cop

[Antihero]

I'm NOT bellyaching! I just think we shouldn't speedlynch Mulch, so we can gather info on his posts. Short days never help town.

you're all gonna be here tomorrow, dude

don't worry

[Antihero]

ok so to review

fitz goes after mulch (frogger can do his thing or whatever but i would be STUNNED if that was rly nothing and i just lucked out on the yankee crumb thing)

other scum is probably in [Chara, Frogger, James, Flavor, 2mil]

from town to scum i'd order that: 2mil > frogger > chara > james > flavor

[Antihero]

How did this setup get passed...
NRG you fucked up
go ahead and release my PT

??????

[Antihero]

Miller is more of a named town than a negative utility imo.

depends on context

w a cop, it's neg utility bc it's one fewer townie that can be cop cleared

w a rolecop, it's a definitive inno

wo those, it's really nothing (idk about all the "named townie" stuff... named townie has more of an IC element to it whereas a miller wo an investigative doesn't do anything and there's no good way to predict if the miller claim is real or not)

[Antihero]

Miller claims D1.
Cop avoids miller and get other results.

i get that...

cop has no definitive way of being able to tell if claimed miller is actually miller or scum fakeclaiming tho

therefore, claimed miller is out of the pool of "can be cop cleared"

[Antihero]

Sure, scum can claim miller, but as much as scum can claim named town.

i guess i just thought "named townie" was always used as a flavor IC (if someone claims it and isn't CCed, they're conftown)

do ppl use named townie another way? that's kinda dumb

[Antihero]

Would you investigate someone who claims named town?

if the setup info SAID there was a named townie and no one CCed, ofc not

if not, then... yeah

[Antihero]

I still don’t like the fact scum could have gotten wrecked Day 2. Role cop on encryptor, antihero on me, that’s game over.

and what is WITH scum being able to kill anyone they want amirite? i mean... me night 1 and chara night 2 then town's outa power

so broken, plz nerf

[Antihero]

Yeah I agree there FL on that part. It’s swingy-ish

I voiced game possibly being over D2 in the first review I did and got laughed out for it, and decided being a part of the NRG wasnt for me. I think we’ll just have to expect games can end D2 in 13p normals here

my response to that is if scum are playing badly enough to draw cop checks on the first two nights they deserve to get crushed

[Antihero]

Part of the problem is that towns are so consistently ineffective you need kind of a ridiculous amount of power to be at all competitive...

not really

it's not that town need -ridiculous- power bc they're bad. it's that they need it to balance for scum getting a factional NK, which is crazy powerful even tho no one acknowledges it.

[Antihero]

Well played, FL. I am definately not backing off next time you are scum with me.

meh, you kind of did all you could on that front. i think you were good on that front.

if you rly want to regret something, regret not backing the creature wagon when you could've

[Antihero]

Once you back out the help from PRs, on MS sitewide town lynches at ballpark =rand AT BEST, and I'd actually say it's sub rand.

exactly

that's bc scum can make a gamestate where the ppl with the worst reads survive

[Antihero]

i literally didn't say it wasn't nor was i passing judgement.

[Antihero]

will be happy to steer clear of you from now on tho, mulch

later, everyone