Dance of the Title Fairy: Accepting Applications

[Papa Zito]

I google image searched for hadootken and found this from Street Dooter.

Spoiler:

There are so many good things in this post.

[SleepyKrew]

but there's no hadootken in it

[Shaziro]

I don't think the argument "Vonflare -is- obnoxious shitposting!" is a good reason to give Von a shitposty title. It's a good reason not to give Von a title. Bad behavior doesn't earn gifts, why should somebody having no notable contributions other than bad behavior be grounds for a gift?

[Psyche]

working assumption is that people like his obnoxious shitposting
i hope they aren’t nthing if they actually don’t, though i suppose there’s an argument for nthing titles when they match a person whether you like them or not

[Aristophanes]

I always look forward to Vonflare posts! They are fun

Vonflare is consistently memetic and funny. Doot has endured as a staple if this! It is perfect.

[Shaziro]

working assumption is that people like his obnoxious shitposting
i hope they aren’t nthing if they actually don’t, though i suppose there’s an argument for nthing titles when they match a person whether you like them or not

I kind of assumed that calling something obnoxious implies that you dislike it.

[Alisae]

Guys.

It doesn't matter.

It's like 3 words. Below your username.

On a forum.

If this is special to you imo you need to reassess your life priorities.

Like. Chill.

I'm starting to agree with this mindset more and more

[Firebringer]

nothing in life truly matters.

So why not pretend stupid stuff does matter
I say titles have meaning so therefore it does.

My life can now continue since I have found arbitrary meaning

[Not_Mafia]

All the venom spewed towards this title just needs an antidoot

[SleepyKrew]

All the venom spewed towards this title just needs an antidoot

but the venom IS antidoot

[Gamma Emerald]

no sense of humor with SKrew I see

[Aristophanes]

All the venom spewed towards this title just needs an antidoot

but the venom IS antidoot

GAAAAAH!

You beat me to this!!!

Fuck you skrew!

Spoiler:

<3

[Creature]

Guys.

It doesn't matter.

It's like 3 words. Below your username.

On a forum.

If this is special to you imo you need to reassess your life priorities.

Like. Chill.

I'm starting to agree with this mindset more and more

Still makes you special.

[Keychain]

nom Creature for "Charismatic"

This or something along these lines would be very cool for Creature, but it seems overly simple in this form.

[Ellibereth]

I hear a dooting sound in my head whenever I see a vonflare post.

[mastina]

I don't think the argument "Vonflare -is- obnoxious shitposting!" is a good reason to give Von a shitposty title. It's a good reason not to give Von a title. Bad behavior doesn't earn gifts, why should somebody having no notable contributions other than bad behavior be grounds for a gift?

This is my thoughts on the matter summed up nicely.

It's not endearing.

It's not funny.

It barely was when it was new if it ever was at all.

It's just become forced since then, and it being forced is not grounds for it being a title. It's just bad behavior.

[Aristophanes]

Sorry mastina, but no.

[mastina]

Sorry mastina, but no.

Given that matters such as 'endearing' and humor are subjective and thus determined by the individual, I think that I can definitively say:
Sorry, Ari, but no to your no; my point still holds.

It is not endearing to me.
It is not funny to me.
These are facts.

Given that I fail to see the humor in it, given that I fail to be entertained by it. To me it remains bad behavior. There's nothing charming about it. It's just...there,

at best

;

obnoxious

at worst.

I've no doubt some users find it endearing and some users find it funny--but I also have no doubt I am not alone in me not finding it endearing and me not finding it funny. It is far from universally true.

Basically.
It's undeniably bad behavior.
Some find the bad behavior to be charming (and think that because the bad behavior is charming it should be given as a title).
Some like me don't.
But it doesn't change that it's still bad behavior. Just bad behavior some like and others don't.

[Firebringer]

You are obnoxious right now

[Aristophanes]

There have been a few titles based on "bad behaviour"

If it is notable and the community agrees on the uniqueness, what is the issue?

Doot is synonymous with Vonflare! It is not Obnoxious. It is memetic!

Memes make titles!

It is literally perfect!

[Firebringer]

It is ironic that mastina got titles related to something most think is bad behavior and is arguing against someone else getting a title for what she perceives to be bad behavior.

[Psyche]

The justification is more than that it's forced and people are forcing it; it's that vonflare's essence here on MS is the sort of forcing that "doot" embodies. If the community likes the kind of thing vonflare does, then it's not bad behavior.

I feel like these criticisms could be better if I explained why I'm taking the nomination seriously. If someone came forward today with the best title imaginable for vonflare, in which ways would it be different from "doot"? Because to me it seems to check all of the main boxes of a title. It 1) references an interesting incident, playstyle or characteristic of the user, and 2) makes the reference in an interesting way that's 3) accessible/appreciable to the broader community. It's easy to explain doot, it's clear why the title fits vonflare in particular, and the way it fits vonflare is at the same time not totally unsubtle. Besides the fact that I honestly don't like vonflare's schtick much at all, it seems perfect for him otherwise, assuming that all the people nthing him for it have a more positive attitude about his schtick.

So, I'm leaning toward approving it. This doesn't mean that I'm opening the door to more titles like this (it would make vonflare's title less...individual), but rather that I'm accepting that vonflare fits the niche that the title identifies him for. I've got zero expectation that he'll change the way he is after getting this title, so the idea that he shouldn't get it because it's the design of some fleeting campaign just kind of falls flat, especially since such a campaign is exactly among the sorts of things motivating the nomination.

No one seems to contest that it fits him. They contest that the stuff about him that makes the title fit should be rewarded with a title. I have to decide whose opinions to weight more. And if they're balanced, shouldn't I also weight how well the title plainly matches him?

At the same time, though, I also understand the value of not approving plainly controversial titles. It just seems like a cop-out to take that stance, though, especially with my awareness of many controversial noms ultimately getting approved by past title fairies. So, I'm still thinking. And I'll allow plenty of time to react to these thoughts here.

[Ginngie]

If you just made a bot

[Kublai Khan]

It's easy to explain doot

What does doot mean?

[Ginngie]

doot