Valentine's Dance - [GAME OVER]

[beeboy]

I though you scumread me bee??

I think Firebringer is aligned with Maki.
But I guess you upcoming reevaluation will also help me with my read.

[Shiro]

@Venm
Like as if a scum team of me and Dunn kill chess and eli ever, get real.

[Venmar]

just going to point out that dunnstral nukes harambe with a case in #1901, reasserts that harambe is his #1 choice for lynch in 1918, DOES NOT SWITCH HIS VOTE TO HARAMBE TO REFLECT THESE READS??????? (instead parks his vote on me and reck, a thrifty choice indeed), and then has the NERVE to say he ended up thinking that harambe/gamma were a town/town pair in:

I'm actually really sure Maki is town, to give context with my push on harambe Maki and I started talking about our read in the pt and she was talking to me about harambe, I was talking to her about gamma, and together we were generally leaning that the pair was town-town (I was made to see harambey was being silly and not being scum)

YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS

101 bullshittery

dunnstral has literally been hiding the entire game behind his pt to mask his reads and thought process and i'm just over it

[Venmar]

parking my vote here:

vote: dunn/maki

[Venmar]

@Venm
Like as if a scum team of me and Dunn kill chess and eli ever, get real.

*gets real*

yeah i see it

[Shiro]

@Venm
Like as if a scum team of me and Dunn kill chess and eli ever, get real.

*gets real*

yeah i see it

Damn I thought that would work and your whole pov would change .

[Venmar]

Venmar

- xRECKONERx

I don't want to vote varner/reck at all there t/t to me

??

[Antihero]

need 3 more venreck votes

[beeboy]

need 3 more venreck votes

4 more Maki/Dunn votes

[beeboy]

Venmar I always thought was town.
And I am starting to doubt my Reck scum read as well :/

[Antihero]

well idk why

on either count

[beeboy]

Spoiler: Maki's Read On Me

Like srsly how do you have these reads yet I really don't get it
I think alisae is weird but that's normal
beeboy is prob town but like
..that's it?

So Maki starts off hard town reading me.

I think varner is town I need to re read the monkey because at first I was townreading them for the "I'm prob gonna get left out" it felt really genuine but then I figured that could come from both alignments
beeboy...ehhhhh I flip on this read really hard this was like one of my hidden sr's then I like forgot why I was sring beeboy
Kokichi I've already explained

Paranoia.

beeboy isn't scum because they aren't with alisae.
Beeboys lack of paranoia/sr on me is weird though.

More paranoia.
Maki never really tried to ask me about her read on her.
I try to ask her to elaborate on this cause her posts about me consistently show paranoia but she never tries to talk to me about her issues with me like paranoia is townie but towns actually try and follow up on it / try and work out there issues which I don't think Maki is doing.

I need to see if I'm bias tring beeboy again...I don't think so but it doesn't hurt

Maki never actually attempts to reevaluate me as a result of this post.

I need to see if I'm bias tring beeboy again...I don't think so but it doesn't hurt

Also I am kind of curious but did this ever result in anything?
I really don't actually think I am playing particularly townie this game which is why I am asking.

I looked at your posts and I think you're more relaxed then scum you would be
you're not omg obv town but compared to other pairings I wouldn't lynch you by a long shot

This is a pretty standard tone read?
Like I think a read on me would expand beyond this if she expressed paranoia about me all game.

Harambay is doing a really good job of avoiding actually posting a read list.


pedit: I mean I am playing exactly to what my scum agenda would be which is why I am surprised my friends all TR me.

I mean when you post stuff like this you're making it hard to tr you.

I don't think Maki actually scum reads me for this post in particular. Seems low effort I guess?

Dunn also finds beebitch towny and they were correct on beeboy being scum in the
last game that involved pts like this so I trust him

Drops paranoia without really trying to evaluate me herself.

wait beeboy should be white

Oops I guess I am not really town?

anti talk to me on bee/dan
I don't want to vote varner/reck at all there t/t to me

Oh I guess I should die now.

Firebringer - Shiro
Venmar - xRECKONERx
beeboy - ActionDan
Antihero - Kagami

Fire-Shrio dies flips scum
then kagami dies and flips scum

leaves us with
Venmar - xRECKONERx
beeboy - ActionDan
Dunnstral - Maki Harukawa

Recks posting feels towny on the last page even if I disagree with it
so lynch bee slot and we win?
Pedit: Your "I would do ___ as scum" and "I sr everything" is really really bad and I feel like you're doing that tryhard scum thing again trying to be lamist
or it's dan
eh

Sets me up as a lynch.

I value NKA really highly because most players tend to be disgusted when it gets brought up.
I don't think scum ever try and WIFOM a kill.

The kill always has a purpose and I don't see the purpose of the kill in a world where I am scum?

I'm voting you after I get fire and shiro to flip

this is horrid
idc what dunn's telling me in the pt

like you've NEVER said this before
I feel like you're just throwing this in to give yourself a better agenda and I don't really think town you would believe this ever you're better then

this

"I am going to vote you after Fire/Shiro flips."
"Declares I am playing to a scum agenda"

Like a combination of the lolcat during twilight Maki did.
I think Ali has the ability of reading Maki.
Then Maki comes into the day and just hard tries to setup the 1v1 against me.

Like idk.
I really like my 1 on 1 interactions with her but I feel like I am having trouble overlooking everything else?


I don't really like Fire's defense of Shiro all game and Shiro isn't that great himself either. I also think Fire's interactions with scum could easily just be S/S.

Idk I don't trust either of these pairs and I see the world in which they are scum together.

I'm not trying to set up a 1v1 with you. I was leaning on your being town of your pair. And then you come into this "why don't you have me as town based on NKA"
Nka is outright shit
like disagreeing is perfectly fine and all that but you're trying to act like you should be lock clear when...no? You also don't seem be solving my slot at all

"I am not trying to 1v1 you"
(please look up as Maki cannot be unaware she is trying to set me up to die)

So basically to not really summarize the quotes which are there to just back up this paragraph anyway.

Maki has expressed paranoia of me roughly the entire game.

Maki has not actually at all stated where this comes from

at any moment in time.

She says I more likely to be town for 2 throw away reasons the sheeping the Dunnstral read (which he never explains) and a tone read.

Maki knows that I town read people who scum read me and I town read paranoia.

She avoided having a read on me

or talking about my posts directly this entire game.
I assumed the general paranoia was townie but looking back at the read there really is never any follow up or anything that indicates that paranoia is coming from a town mindset. So I just feel like she is saying she is paranoid of me because it's what I want to hear? Like not interacting with me is 100% ok if there is nothing to talk about but if she was truly paranoid of me all game then I feel like she wouldn't approach her read on me the way she did.

Paranoid towns interact with there reads and talk about them while Maki is really just stating paranoia all game without specifying anything in regards to it or talking to people about me.

Then she opens the day by saying I am scum and starts to push me which also comes out of nowhere?
Without ever really trying to engage me or sort me herself?
And while trying to kill me at some point she says she is not trying to setup a 1v1 on me which is literally what she is doing?

Her entire read on me does not reflect a town trying to sort someone, it's scum acting paranoid to avoid engaging me.

tldr: bold sentences.

Maki has lock towned Venmar/Reck the entire game.
Has scum read one half of Fire/Shiro the entire game.
Doesn't really talk about Kagami until day 2 where she locks them as scum based on POE.

I like her read progression on Fire and Dunnstral and that's about it?
And I need to think this relative to pairs and I don't like Maki's lack of real read progression on the Fire/Shiro pair itself.

[beeboy]

I am going to just stop waiting for this, but now that I am bringing this up Maki doing a follow up kinda loses cred.

When I asked her about her lack of read progression and ever really stating a reason to have any kind of read on my slot she kinda just said she had a thought process rather then actually stating what it was.

And for every single pair outside my own (where she never really spoke about reasoning) her reads on all the teams have stayed the same throughout the entire game.
She never really spoke about Kagami all game and Kagami is now lock scum for POE?
She locked town Venreck all game.
Has been pushing to kill one of Fire/Shiro all game.

Like I don't know when I read her iso and look at her individual reads I don't see how it comes from a town POV ever? Like Maki doesn't play mafia like that and she isn't town this game.

[beeboy]

I also don't really like her twilight?
Also I am tired of everyone calling Maki town and not actually saying why, outside Shiro who said the Gamma interactions.
But I am not sure if Shiro ISOd her like he promised >:(

[beeboy]

well idk why

on either count

I still think the pushing the IC thing comes from town in all honesty even if you hate that as a line of reasoning in regards to Venmar.
Like if Venmar is scum he is making it is primary goal to just piss everyone off and I think wanting all that attention comes from town 9/10 times?
I also just town read his Alisae read in all honesty.


For Reck.
His early posts I just town read in general? His push on Harambey really wasn't needed the whole "lol fck harambey being a newbie" i think is more likely to come from town since that wasn't really needed to push him.
I think generally his thought processes come from a town POV?

He has had some reads he held for way too long and I didn't really like that.
And his most recent post was kinda bad as well?

But like the first reason applies to Maki 10x harder and the 2nd reason I guess I am more willing to overlook at this stage since I don't want to read people based on individual posts when people are just getting lazy across the board.

[Shiro]

I have not yet, her 209 posts disheartened me. I was home only for a little while as well cause I went to another work. I will iso her just.. When I get home for good tonight.

[beeboy]

Ctrl+f player names to see her read progression.
Read progression you should be looking at on an individual basis?

Like read her entire ISO when you get home if you'd like but I think looking at this stuff individually is also important.

[beeboy]

(obv you can't ctrl+f shit on a phone but like before you iso her do that tyty)

[Antihero]

I still think the pushing the IC thing comes from town in all honesty even if you hate that as a line of reasoning in regards to Venmar.
Like if Venmar is scum he is making it is primary goal to just piss everyone off and I think wanting all that attention comes from town 9/10 times?
I also just town read his Alisae read in all honesty.

he hasn't pissed anyone off besides me as far as i know... he spat venom at ME (and i think chesskid and harambe?) but he hasn't gone out of the way to alienate himself to the game in general sooooooo i really don't know what you're talking about. and all the ppl he's lashed out at were voting/suspecting him anyway so it's not like he's gone out of his way to make enemies this game.

and yeah you're right i don't think discrediting the IC is town

idk what all the "town POV" stuff is or how you're gathering it. neither reck nor ven have pushed anything good all game. the KO, ali, and harambe pushes from ven were all bull (and the dunn push is bull now) and the chesskid OMGUS from reck was bull. [aaaaand THEY WERE ALL TOWN. predictably.]

which push was from a town POV? quote it.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Reckvenmar

[Dunnstral]

just going to point out that dunnstral nukes harambe with a case in #1901, reasserts that harambe is his #1 choice for lynch in 1918, DOES NOT SWITCH HIS VOTE TO HARAMBE TO REFLECT THESE READS??????? (instead parks his vote on me and reck, a thrifty choice indeed), and then has the NERVE to say he ended up thinking that harambe/gamma were a town/town pair in:

I'm actually really sure Maki is town, to give context with my push on harambe Maki and I started talking about our read in the pt and she was talking to me about harambe, I was talking to her about gamma, and together we were generally leaning that the pair was town-town (I was made to see harambey was being silly and not being scum)

YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS

101 bullshittery

dunnstral has literally been hiding the entire game behind his pt to mask his reads and thought process and i'm just over it

First of all, Harambey seemed to agree with me on my own case againt him, or at least thought it was town. Like, I was right. I called him out on a fake read.

I have the nerve to... what? Maki backed up that I thought that in the pt, right? I don't see the problem here, I wasn't even involved in harambey leaving and I had no opportunity at all to get him to not leave or anything.

Can you show me where else I "hide behind the pt to mask my read and thought process" because I haven't?

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 2.2

Dunnstral - Maki Harukawa [2] - beeboy, Venmar
Firebringer - Shiro [2] - xRECKONERx, Maki Harukawa
Venmar - xRECKONERx [4] - Antihero, Dunnstral, Shiro, Firebringer
beeboy - ActionDan [0] -
Antihero - Kagami [0] -

Not Voting [2]

- ActionDan, Kagami

With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to lynch

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Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-02-21 16:00:00)

[Antihero]

2 more, let's get it done folks

[Dunnstral]

bee:

- I told her not to talk about Kagami pre-dance. I told this to you guys as well.
- I talked about my read on you to her
- Her reads aren't stagnant and I've talked to you about the gamma/harambey thing

And it's hard to sympathize with you when you're pushing my slot for death while also going on about how venmar/reck is town and how you might leave the dance if we're both town
Like, look at post 2777?

I actually think us leaving -> you leaving has a high chance of a town loss, no thanks, if you think maki is scum and always with fire, you should just be trying to lynch them? And if, for instance, Shiro is scum but not fire, you won't think Maki is scum?

Like your Maki read has some conditionals on who else has to be scum with her so you should be looking there first?
I don't want to be the next pair voted out in any case, I think some of the stuff you have posted is wrong and I'm concerned about how you're reading the game otherwise

[beeboy]

I still think the pushing the IC thing comes from town in all honesty even if you hate that as a line of reasoning in regards to Venmar.
Like if Venmar is scum he is making it is primary goal to just piss everyone off and I think wanting all that attention comes from town 9/10 times?
I also just town read his Alisae read in all honesty.

he hasn't pissed anyone off besides me as far as i know... he spat venom at ME (and i think chesskid and harambe?) but he hasn't gone out of the way to alienate himself to the game in general sooooooo i really don't know what you're talking about. and all the ppl he's lashed out at were voting/suspecting him anyway so it's not like he's gone out of his way to make enemies this game.

and yeah you're right i don't think discrediting the IC is town

idk what all the "town POV" stuff is or how you're gathering it. neither reck nor ven have pushed anything good all game. the KO, ali, and harambe pushes from ven were all bull (and the dunn push is bull now) and the chesskid OMGUS from reck was bull. [aaaaand THEY WERE ALL TOWN. predictably.]

which push was from a town POV? quote it.

Kinda garbage to say that Maki has done any good pushes this game as well.

Scum are less likely to hard push lynches early then town are in a nightless setup and both Venmar and Reck balls deep pushing people early in a way that I don't really take issue with. (Venmar to Alisae, Reck to Chesskid, Alisae, Me) in particular.

Maki pushed Ali, Maki pushed Gamma and ignored Chesskid.
Like I the pushing town argument kinda just applies to anyone almost at random and doesn't hold a lot of weight? Like Maki didn't go deep pushing Gamma in all honesty. And going deep is what I'd consider separates the town from scum in this regard.

Like what Pie did in the last lover's game we were in together to Cakez is I guess the comparable example I can come up with. (oh boy that was a long time ago) Like Reck is giving me the vibes pie gave me that game when I read his Chess read. And you just think Venmar is the one less likely to flip scum so I think on some level you have to agree with me on that?

I don't know no one has yet to talk to me about my Maki read. People are just getting mad about it which is dumb because if someone reasonably explained why Maki was town then maybe I wouldn't have grounds to keep pushing her. And honestly I don't want to push someone this hard it's just very difficult to not do that when I am the only one willing to talk about the slot.