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Post Post #1932 (isolation #200) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:50 pm

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In post 1928, Chara wrote:
In post 1924, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why wouldn't Flavor suspect Creature with everyone else if he were scum is my question.
i see a lot of rhetoric from Flavor on why he has to be town, and nothing that's convincing me his reads are genuine. the focus on his own image this game makes me think he's just cultivating it.

pedit: i'm not sure. did Flavor bring this up himself in your hood, or is this something you came up with independently?
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Post Post #1962 (isolation #201) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:17 pm

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there's not seven votes on creature because it's not d1 lol
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Post Post #1967 (isolation #202) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:23 pm

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In post 1965, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
In post 1964, Flavor Leaf wrote:I feel like I’m conf town
no sir
Have you read the game at all?
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Post Post #1976 (isolation #203) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:41 pm

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In post 1971, Chara wrote:*Hawk: definitely town.
*Two: possibly town. not much to see here, honestly.
Gamma: i have my doubts. i don't think the reasons for townreading him are good, including Frog's.
Flavor: i thought he was scummy but after our talk i don't know.
sheep: i'm just townreading him.
Creature: hopefully scum!
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Post Post #1984 (isolation #204) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:51 pm

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In post 1979, Chara wrote:
In post 1976, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why on sheep
James was towny, sheep has so far been mildly towny, and there's what i noticed about Mulch. i'll go over it tomorrow if i'm alive.

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Post Post #1987 (isolation #205) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:53 pm

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In post 1983, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1982, Hawk wrote:
In post 1977, Chara wrote:
In post 1974, Hawk wrote:Chara why is Gamma scum? What's wrong with the reasoning. Who Neighborizes and opens with wanna Mason Gambit as scum?
i've seen scum neighbourizers do this. it's not really that strange. what exactly is the risk as scum?
Doesn't make sense in the context of the game if you present it as a scum Neighborizer. There was a traitor. scum knew that the Neighborizer would have been a way to get the traitor into a day chat with town. Meaning As scum I would Neighborized people I thought were potential traitors first.

Unless flavor and gamma are the scum team I don't see this scenario playing out with gamma being scum.
If Gamma and I were the scum team, we’d be confirmed not traitors, so we wouldn’t need to neighborize as there would be a PT already.

To be fair, I have had a scum neighborize partner neighborize me. Just letting that be out there.
Yeah, the point of scum neighborizer is to get people to trust you, it would be very weird to neighborize a teammate, the only time I've seen it was a weird fringe case where there was a PT cop but I don't think the player was aware of that when they did it
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Post Post #2015 (isolation #206) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:01 pm

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The whiteknighting call-out is actually what made Flavor a consideration for a mason gambit, wouldn't that be EXACTLY what you'd tell a mason buddy who is risking making it very obvious what you are?
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Post Post #2017 (isolation #207) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:05 pm

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In post 2016, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
In post 2013, Flavor Leaf wrote:It’ll be a huge post.
nah i dont read these
Would you read a tl;dr
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Post Post #2039 (isolation #208) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 8:21 pm

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Post Post #2044 (isolation #209) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:29 am

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Massclaim today. Everyone submit an order.
Sheep -> Chara -> FL -> should end here? Both me and Hawk are claimed. If Hawk has more to his role then he should claim that, but I'm not sure if there is.
Also I did not neighborize since I was happy with the hood as it was
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Post Post #2046 (isolation #210) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:02 am

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Creature flipped encryptor, I feel like he would at least have told Hawk how to act with his miller claim, so I still feel my thoughts from D1 are valid
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Post Post #2048 (isolation #211) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:05 am

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In post 2047, sheepsaysmeep wrote:is anyone here good at rolespec
I'm decent? I think the last time I tried in a normal was 1908 where I failed pretty hardcore, but I can reliably say town should have one more active PR based on the maf RB flip
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Post Post #2053 (isolation #212) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:30 am

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In post 2052, sheepsaysmeep wrote:can someone explain town!hawk
Play is too erratic to be scum. Previously this had a conditional of scum needing to have an encryptor, which is no longer a factor since the condition is met.
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Post Post #2064 (isolation #213) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:41 am

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In post 2043, Chara wrote:
In post 1971, Chara wrote:*Hawk: definitely town.
*Two: possibly town. not much to see here, honestly.
Gamma: i have my doubts. i don't think the reasons for townreading him are good, including Frog's.
Flavor: i thought he was scummy but after our talk i don't know.
sheep: i'm just townreading him.
Creature: hopefully scum!
so, who can guess the reason for my awkward readslist at EoD?

today is massclaim day. i'm not sure it will reveal much, but day before lylo.
Actually, I have an answer for this: baiting a nightkill on Hawk/sheep.
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Post Post #2066 (isolation #214) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:46 am

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In post 2065, Chara wrote:elaborate as to my motivation?

the readslist
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exceedingly artificial, in my opinion. i made sure to specify Two and Hawk were my best townreads so it's interesting you say Hawk/sheep.
Well the townread on sheep looks like you don't really think he's towny but are trying to fake it so scum kill him
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Post Post #2069 (isolation #215) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:50 am

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No
lol wtf me
thanks for that comment, I'm thinking it's sheep but that's incongruous with what I just said
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Post Post #2085 (isolation #216) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:22 am

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What do you refer to as my "town meta"?
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Post Post #2094 (isolation #217) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:35 am

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In post 2091, Chara wrote:sheep: yes.
i assume because i can conftown the miller. ascetic scum makes sense considering their roleblocker so i don't know why i didn't consider that after he flipped, but hindsight is 20/20.
Not really? That means scum have two ways to ensure actions against them should fail, and with the amount of town power (which if you are right is ONLY cop and rolecop) it seems unlikely mafia would even have full RB, much less that and an ascetic goon. It seems like too much action denial for what is present.
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Post Post #2100 (isolation #218) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:46 am

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In post 2095, Chara wrote:hm, i don't really know how to balance normals.
maybe it feels less strong because the roleblocker is dead now.
I've modded 1.5 of them (I count the large as half a game for personal modding experience purposes), with the first being a spin on a game I'd seen and the second being an original idea based around a greylist role. There's also several other games of experience with Mafia Roleblocker that is informing my opinion.
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Post Post #2108 (isolation #219) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:03 am

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In post 2106, Hawk wrote:Yeah except for your vote I can't find a single spot where you say fitz is actually scum. You paint a lot of Gamma VS Fitz and Creature VS Fitz scum pairs.

I don't buy you being town!Rolecop.

Also idk why you think it's Gamma over Flavor here from your PoV.

pedit: You can tell me the same thing frog did I'm bad at setup speculation. I don't buy your claim or your stances. And I won't lynch gamma today.
Hawk I disagree on this. I've been arguing a mafia ascetic is too much power on top of what they already have, and I also believe the rolecop fills out towns power quite well.
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Post Post #2109 (isolation #220) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:03 am

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In post 2107, Chara wrote:ugh.

i lynched him because Frogger threw a tantrum about it. happy? it was stupid and i shouldn't have given in but Frogger was town and i thought i was just wrong.
that's all.

i think it's Gamma over Flavor because Flavor is towny and Gamma is scummy. fuck setup spec, i'm not good at it.
Why don't you think it's sheep?
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Post Post #2112 (isolation #221) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:10 am

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In post 2110, Chara wrote:if you think i'm a scum role cop and not a goon then i have to say even i know that particular bit of setup spec makes no sense.

pedit: it looked like Mulch was trying to discredit my townread on James and sheep has been towny since he replaced in, just wrong.
Okay fair maybe, but it's possible his signalling method may have been "sorta attack my buddies but never actually go after them". He also scumread Creature whilst not wanting to actually wagon him.
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Post Post #2116 (isolation #222) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:17 am

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I mean at this point the game is auto for me, the only thing I have to do is not get lynched.
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Post Post #2123 (isolation #223) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:11 pm

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Honestly I feel this game is a bit like Mini 1920: a lot of town investigative (high power cop + mid power RC + low power neighborizer) combated by scum RB. I've been involved in normal balance for a long time at this point, and I know scum full RB is powerful, and is only used if town has several decent power roles. I can link some normals with scum full RB if you'd like.
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Post Post #2130 (isolation #224) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:04 pm

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I feel like voting Sheep at this point
Does anyone not flavor or sheep object?
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Post Post #2143 (isolation #225) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:36 pm

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VOTE: sheep
btw sheep's questions here don't feel genuine, they feel like trying to discredit others
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Post Post #2148 (isolation #226) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:52 pm

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In post 2146, Chara wrote:Gamma is never scum with town Flavor, therefore Gamma is never scum.
if Flavor's scum he's hard-pocketed the neighbourhood. i really don't want to fight scum him in lylo and would almost rather 1v1 him now but i can't confidently say sheep is town.
but just. hoping sheep is scum so i don't have to deal with that.
But I'm not pocketed? I'm townreading you more than Flavor at this point.
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Post Post #2154 (isolation #227) » Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:48 am

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In post 2153, Hawk wrote:Whatever if Chara alive tomorrow and sheep isn't scum that's where I'm going. I still don't buy the claim. If I die in the night Chara probably killed me because he is probably 100% certain I wouldn't flip off him and onto whoever else. Plus the Wifom is better for him in that final 3.

Intent to Hammer Sheep. I'll push it through later today if no one objects or sheep hasn't made substantial case for anyone else being scum.
Please do not enter lylo closed-minded. If it ends up like that it's most likely flavor.
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Post Post #2161 (isolation #228) » Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:33 am

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In post 2158, sheepsaysmeep wrote:if it's cop/rolecop/neighborizer for town then i'd be pretty certain that the last scum is better than a goon
I'd believe RB would be good enough to handle those roles
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Post Post #2162 (isolation #229) » Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:59 am

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oh btw
@Srceenplay sheep got sitebanned so he may need replacing

I kinda wanna lynch before replacement though
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Subject: Mini Normal 1850 | Mod PT
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Vigilante
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I'm going to start setup spec with this basis. Roles modconfirmed in this game are Cop, Mafia traitor bp rb, mafia encryptor, along with 5 flipped vts. Here's where I'm standing on this, starting from the other game. Cop Doc and Vig are very powerful TPRs. Mafia roleblocker is a strong scum PR, and encryptor is a somewhat strong scum PR (enables daytalk not visible to town, which allows more advanced and skilled play). In this game, we allegedly have town nieghborizer and rolecop on top of the cop, and the mafia rb is replaced with a bp rb traitor. I feel like the removal of the rb from scumchat is a balance to the fact RC and neighborizer are not as strong of town roles as doc and vig, since it reduces ability to PR hunt and find good targets for the rb ability.
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Post Post #2183 (isolation #231) » Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:15 am

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Hm, I thought of a possible subversion of that problem, what if Hawk was mafia miller? I really don't want to think it's viable but it might be.
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Post Post #2192 (isolation #232) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:09 pm

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It says yes at the bottom of the ability casting rules
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Post Post #2193 (isolation #233) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:10 pm

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And let's not vote for at least an hour
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Post Post #2202 (isolation #234) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:57 am

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In post 2200, Flavor Leaf wrote:Also, Gamma brought up the fact about likely to be investigated in the neighborhood, yet he tried getting a mason gambit Day 2, and masons wouldn’t ever be investigated in that sense.
Pardon? I don't get what you're trying to say. The gambit couldn't have been done n1, and if I claimed ascetic later than day 1 then eyebrows wouldv'e been raised.
Honestly this feels rather opportunistic, using the fact no one checked me to create an accusation of being ascetic.
And if I wanted to set up a lylo, I'd probably do you + 2iam, not you + Hawk. There's also the fact that Chara consistently suspected me, so why not kill them say night 4?
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Post Post #2211 (isolation #235) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:30 am

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In post 2203, Hawk wrote:Gamma do you really think it's me?

If you're willing to vote Gamma anytime and are that confident why haven't you voted Him yet??
Honestly yeah. Here's why. I had this done yesterday but wanted to let you respond.
Okay so I did a Creature ISO and a mulch ISO
Creature turned up nothing but Mulch's interactions with Hawk kinda read as signalling more than those with Flavor, mostly with the fact Mulch continually interacted with Hawk while not doing the same to Flavor. Things like "Wanna mason me?" don't really help either. There's a readlist by Mulch day 1 where his hard town reads are himself, creature, and get this, hawk. Two scum and someone who could very likely be his partner.
Along with that, there's Hawk CONTINUALLY avoiding the neighborhood. Vedith "taught" me in NYE Ball that if someone's avoiding a neighborhood they might be scum, and I've consistently had to poke Hawk to get him to post. Flavor, on the other hand, has been very active in it and even posting more than me in it. While Flavor isn't one you can say "this guy would do X as town" about, you can certainly compare him to others.
Also, a word on some of my interactions with the flipped scum. I pushed Creature rather hard at one point d1. Recall how Mulch mentioned an ITA turbo? In that game, I was refreshed on the horrors of bussing not working. As such I would have likely gone with an angle of "Creature has been active early so he could be town" rather than hard-push Creature. Also when I FOSed Mulch it was because I'd heard of "Amrock tells", one of which being unsureness.
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Post Post #2214 (isolation #236) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:11 am

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I believe mafia miller is a possibility, it's more the stuff I've analyzed from Mulch that's really making me think it's you. As for mulch hard townreading you well if you were his buddy he also has reason to do so, as I noted Mulch had a readlist with the two flipped scum and you as town. Also, your miller claim sorta took you off the table for a while, and that's why you weren't lynched day 1.
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Post Post #2216 (isolation #237) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:54 am

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The point of miller is a fake guilty, it brings down town power without making the game swingy. And just because your role is confirmed doesn't mean your role can't still be mafia.
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Post Post #2233 (isolation #238) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:24 am

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VOTE: Hawk
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Post Post #2242 (isolation #239) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:48 am

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How did this setup get passed...
NRG you fucked up
go ahead and release my PT
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Post Post #2245 (isolation #240) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:55 am

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Huh I guess miller is only town in normals
I thought they could be mafia because of a normal idea game
whomever is responsible for this I'm gonna destroy next time I see them
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Post Post #2255 (isolation #241) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:39 am

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In post 2252, Fro99er wrote:
In post 2242, Gamma Emerald wrote:How did this setup get passed...
NRG you fucked up
go ahead and release my PT
How did you vote a confirmed miller when mafia miller is strictly forbidden in normals?
Another game had me confused
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Post Post #2267 (isolation #242) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:12 am

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I've been named townie, 'tis a pretty lame role to rand
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Post Post #2276 (isolation #243) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:01 am

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Don't recall where I saw mafia miller could be normal. I fucking hate myself and should really just stop playing tbh uif I'm not gonna fact check myself like this
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Post Post #2280 (isolation #244) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:06 am

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WTF
Why is the NRG so dumb
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Post Post #2286 (isolation #245) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:28 am

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In post 2281, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2280, Gamma Emerald wrote:WTF
Why is the NRG so dumb
I mean, scum did win, so it’s not like it wasn’t possible.

Also, I literally said “did we really get double guiltied? If Mulch tracked you...” in the neighborhood, when I meant to say that to Creature.

I thought either Antihero was traitor, and I got guiltied. I thought that day 2 was all going down for me. In the end, I think that Day helped us kill Fitz, and then i got to turn it around by going Creature.
lol I didn't get it either
don't really know why Hawk didn't notice that tbh lmao
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Post Post #2315 (isolation #246) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:02 am

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In post 2313, Transcend wrote:Gj boon

But why the fuck did town Lynch a role copped miller

You've got to be fucking kidding me.
Me not fact checking my paranoia
I mean you spent a whole game quickhammering town so you have no room to talk
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Post Post #2319 (isolation #247) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:07 am

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In post 2317, Transcend wrote:Didn't hammer

I knew smoc was town And i knew i would die at night

I just wanted to leave the game w.o Having my slot replaced.
Not this game I was talking about
Although you did try to defend creature
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Post Post #2328 (isolation #248) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:36 am

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In post 2327, Chara wrote:if i'd been in that neighbourhood you would have lost, you're right. good job keeping me out of it.
i'm... incredibly surprised nobody else saw it, though.
i remember being so frustrated (when i was first pushing Flavor, before i thought he could be town) that he had this strong neighbourhood presence i was unable to replicate. i didn't think i could win a 1v1.
then Gamma continued not to neighbourize me... until lylo. neighbourized the same night i was killed. :v
i should have realized he was town sooner. it was actually Flavor that convinced me Gamma was locktown, as i said.

i won my last scumgame in part because town just ignored the reaxs of flipped town. the trend continues. haha.
This is why I added you the last night, I figured you should be able to see the neighborhood
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Post Post #2335 (isolation #249) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:59 am

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I liked the last one, maybe?
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Post Post #2347 (isolation #250) » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:14 am

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I guess mastina is right saying encryptor can be a greylist town role, there's no real word on whether roles other than mason in the explicit normal lists for one alignment can be greylist for the other
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Post Post #2350 (isolation #251) » Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:18 am

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btw I don't Mulch noticed
Scum has an encryptor with two people
I recall he got cheesed off the last time he saw that
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