Valentine's Dance - [GAME OVER]

[Gamma Emerald]

meme me harder daddy.

more shirobringer votes

I'll catch up and then I'll probably vote fire with you

[Gamma Emerald]

Haven't written off Chesskid as town yet.
Maki/Dunn has town equity.

My pair has town equity I believe but I guess my new partner will be able to sort that out pretty quick for me.

Decent post, curious what your exact thoughts on chesskid are

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Reck might be the scum in the pair tbh.

Might be, if so it means my lovers inversion happened again

[Gamma Emerald]

funny cause i initially townread fire gamma and haram. kagami im not interested in reading until n1 resolves. shiro was the main person i wanted to reread.

going to peg this as straw-grasping

pedit: didn't know you were dumb as well

When did you intially townread me?

[Gamma Emerald]

parking my vote here:

vote: eli/chess

since i can't envision a world where both of these are town

Chess is off the table for me, I'm able to see alot of what he's posting is genuine even if he's not always right. Talk to me about Elli?

[Gamma Emerald]

I was hoping he said 12 or under drn

[Gamma Emerald]

Maki lynch or gamma today pls.

No.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Venmar/Reck

What sells it for me is the feeling that the scum in the pair wouldbe deflecting off of the town in their pair

Well that was quick after chess' vote.

VOTE: Venmar/Reck

What sells it for me is the feeling that the scum in the pair wouldbe deflecting off of the town in their pair

Well that was quick after chess' vote.

Considering that in the past, your partner Maki also jumped on the Fireshiro wagon, I will
VOTE: Makistral

But you guys are not magisterial.

Starting right from the beginning, before getting into the crux of the issue, I have a problem with this. Namely, this only really makes sense if thinking both fire-shiro and venmar-reck are fully town. But Harambe has not given reads on either of those pairs and still doesn't after being prompted by beeboy shortly after.
There's another problem with this, he seems to be combining something Maki did with something I did and combining it into something singularly scummy that we both did, and this viewpoint doesn't really hold up in this game format. I'll go into this more.

VOTE: Venmar/Reck

What sells it for me is the feeling that the scum in the pair wouldbe deflecting off of the town in their pair

Well that was quick after chess' vote.

And?

Refresh yourself on my stances on the slots

Right when chess votes, you vote too. Right after. That just has a vibe, which is why I'm asking.
In general

I'm wondering why you and Maki jump on wagons so often

Like what are you trying to say Harambe

It's 8 to lynch

IDC how many ppl it is for a lynch. It just spot out to me that

you two try to get every chance you can to lynch another pair.

Also others have told me here that scum are usually the early voters on a wagon. About halfway through usually. That's where you two guys are always in. At least one of you two is likely scumme

I made the problem points here big and bold.
Let's dissect this one step at a time.

First, we'll look at Maki's voting history:

VOTE: fireshiro

for now

Ok, this is the first vote on the wagon at this point in time so not what we're talking about

gamma's being so fake it HURTS

Tell me why I shouldn't deathtunnel you
VOTE: Maki

VOTE: Gamma
ooo so scared!

First vote on the wagon again. Out of bounds for the notion of "maki jumps on formed wagons to get a lynch"

Also like part of me doesn't want to vote gamma cause I'd feel like the biggest fucking ass if my read was incorrect and Gamma really was THAT upset over it. It just felt out of the blue to me
UNVOTE:
I want to rethink

An unvote for completeness sake

VOTE: Fire

okay dunn and me agreed on this...for the most part

This is the only time Maki could be considered to be jumping on a wagon. She is the third vote here out of eight needed to form a lynch, however her vote doesn't appear to have any relation to the previous votes

Regardless, examing Maki's voting history I fail to see the "jumping on wagons so often" or "try to get every chance to lynch another pair.

So with that done, let's look at my voting history next:

VOTE: Venmar/Reck

What sells it for me is the feeling that the scum in the pair wouldbe deflecting off of the town in their pair

Wait a second,

this is the only time I've voted this game

...

So when Harambe says:

In general I'm wondering why you and Maki jump on wagons so often

It just spot out to me that you two try to get every chance you can to lynch another pair.

What does he mean? How does it spot out to him that I take every chance I can to lynch another pair if that was my first vote of the game? He's lying and there's no way around that. No benefit of the doubt to be had.

For that matter, what's up with this:

Like what are you trying to say Harambe

It's 8 to lynch

IDC how many ppl it is for a lynch. It just spot out to me that you two try to get every chance you can to lynch another pair.
Also others have told me here that scum are usually the early voters on a wagon. About halfway through usually. That's where you two guys are always in. At least one of you two is likely scumme

There hasn't been a wagon to have gone over halfway yet, how is it scummy that we're "always in the first half of the wagon"
There's a lot more people to chase after if he truly believes this.

And once again: does any of this hold up to him if fireshiro/venmarreck has scum in it? Why isn't he even considering the possibility?

Later:

VOTE: Venmar/Reck

What sells it for me is the feeling that the scum in the pair wouldbe deflecting off of the town in their pair

Well that was quick after chess' vote.

And?

Refresh yourself on my stances on the slots

Right when chess votes, you vote too. Right after. That just has a vibe, which is why I'm asking.
In general I'm wondering why you and Maki jump on wagons so often

We "jump on wagons so often"?
Ok, prove it. Show us what you are talking about.

you two try to get every chance you can to lynch another pair.

Show where me and maki do this.

I point it out, twice, I give him a third chance actually to show his work or back down

DUDE
If you think I'm gonna accept this case you're actually stupid.

[Gamma Emerald]

When did you intially townread me?

i think it was when i "threw shade at you" and then i liked your response and i don't think said opinion has changed much since.

Okay, this is a fair continuity, I may check this later but it's not immediately problematic

[Gamma Emerald]

DUDE
If you think I'm gonna accept this case you're actually stupid.

ok, let's go over it, what's wrong with it?

I feel like it's something I could see as town. He perceives a cooperation between you two, and he just misanalysed it as you following them

[Gamma Emerald]

oh my I have the least amount of posts. I feel ashamed. It funny too because there have been games that I have been among the top 4 posters.

P.edit

I am more of a slaneesh person myself Anti

I mean at least you're doing things which is good for you

[Gamma Emerald]

persist to endgame:
Dunnstral - Maki Harukawa

alternate:
beeboy - ActionDan
chesskid3 - Ellibereth
Antihero - Kagami
Harambey180 - Gamma Emerald

blood for the blood god:
Firebringer - Shiro
Venmar - xRECKONERx

Why is Dunnstral + Maki a town pair to you, and why is it your only one?

[Gamma Emerald]

blood for the blood god:
Firebringer - Shiro

I don't think anyone suspects you in that pair tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

btw i don't get why maki/kaito are in the top category

i also don't get why the middle category is called alternate but i'd put them there

Well with Anti's list it meant he was flip-flopping between those two if I'm getting the right definition used

[Gamma Emerald]

Town pairs:
Haram - Gamma
Chess - Eli (not sure on Eli but I think I've been liking their recent posts)

Pairs that might have scum?:
Anti - Kagami
Bee - Dan

Pairs I think could have scum:
Dunn - Maki

Pairs I think have scum:
Venmar - Reck
Fire - Shiro

[Gamma Emerald]

can you comment on other players besides harambe thanks in advance

In what regard, I agree with people saying Maki/Dunn are a town pair.

Anti is probably scumreading me because of me having the same activity and burst reaction to the org 13 games he modded which is a meh reason if I am correct.

Fire is town 90% of the time as I said and I have only once been wrong on my fire read.

Be more specific I still havent read everything since 30 new pages poped up.

It is kidna weird that Gamma said nobody scumreads me on my pair when Anti has given clear intications that he has and so has beeboy if I remember correctly so ther eis also that.

Hadn't really noticed that from Anti/bee

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm wondering what your objection here is Gamma

The part where I think he is scum because of the post, right? But you agree that he is wrong in his assertions there?

My objection is that it seems like picking on him for getting something wrong.

[Gamma Emerald]

don't like maki's persistent insistence on venreck being all town

*tilts head*
it's okay most people don't like things they don't understand.

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PREACH

eh wot m8

[Gamma Emerald]

>can he reasonably win as scum
No
>does this by any means help his team removd Elli/Chess
No


Not sure how ballsy you 2009 peeps are though.

"go after town leader in hopes of being written off as too-ballsy-to-be-scum" is not an exotic trick

i'm not saying that's what reck is doing here but like... rly beeboy this isn't amateur hour

I mean that was something I recall Andrius doing in the thing mafia

[Gamma Emerald]

Hmm just so I understand here you are admitting that you have seen me in games demolishing scumteams, and you've seen Elli do the same.
You've also, then, for the record, watched it make no sense to you as it's happening, right?

Because if the answer to all of that is as expected, I don't see what the strenuous objection here is? Like, assuming you and Venmar are both town and correctly reading each other, then I got a read wrong so I'm dumb or scum because of that?

Rather than wanting to sit and work with me and towncase yourself for me to correct my course?

I have seen you demolish scumteams in games.
I have not seen Elli do that, I don't think. That's why he was the bastard stepchild member of Screaming Death Clan

I am not scum so your read for me makes no sense and is half-cooked, which is why I'm immediately suspicious.
townChess doesn't do anything half-assed.

Every time I've seen you do demolish scumteams in games, I've been on the same wavelength as you, and have seen what you've seen (sometimes, before you have).

I guess what's throwing me off here is that:
I haven't seen you be wrong.
I know you are wrong here.
Knowing you are wrong, I see the megafaults in your play and don't see you expressing any logic or reason as to why I'm scum.

There are plenty of reasons to paint me as scum.
I even commented to Venmar in our PT that I'm having trouble with this game because i sit down to make posts that are my honest thoughts and after I press submit I read them and it's like I'm seeing myself in third person in an out of body experience. I have made plenty of posts that, if I were in the game with myself, I'd be pressuring and pushing hard. I'm being honest with myself in that I've made some plays that I think would be pretty easy to paint as scummy, and I don't know why that is this game.

But...you're not doing anything to paint me as scum.
There's no righteous fury burning in your belly that I usually see when you're so cocksure about a scumread.
And, I know you're wrong, which is something I don't quite know how to process right now.

Still haven't received word on whether I can be a SDC member

[Gamma Emerald]

I really read

Venmar as town

for his back and forth with chesskid. I don't think Venmar

town

has that much swagger in his back and forth and isn't as willing to go toe-to-toe with chesskid. I guess that doesn't matter if they're BOTH scum, but that's a lot of associative bullshit for right now.

not sure if this is a slip or if i'm inept and just reading too much into it

how is this a slip

im saying i read you as town, and I don't think you as town would have that much swagger

But if you mean the first thing what the hell the the second mean
normally it means you think Venmar is outside of his townrange, so what?

[Gamma Emerald]

Antihero fite me

please don't be deplorable bro

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma if ur going to quote a long post pls spoiler it. Thank you

Just skip to the bottom if it's a single quote

[Gamma Emerald]

i would like everyone to take this shade-in bullet point quiz for me to decipher your alignment, thanks

question 1: what is the best kurt russell movie?
a) the thing
b) big trouble in little china
c) escape from new york
d) tombstone

question 2: what is your favourite tv show?
(please specify)

question 3: what is better, checkers or chess?
a) chess
b) checkers
c) adults

question 4: is chesskid scum and why?
a) yes (please specify)
b) no (you might be wrong but please specify)
c) if you are chesskid, you can skip this question thanks

question 5: is venmar scum?
a) no
b) of course not
c) he is the towniest person there is

question 6: do you like quizzes?
a) yes
b) no
c) fuck you venmar

thanks for everyone's cooperation i will let y'all know the answers to the gamestate once the answers are in

zzzzzz
e to everything except question 2, where there's random doodles

[Gamma Emerald]

My scumteam for long time has been
Gamma/maki/venmar

But I can’t figure out why neither gamma or venmar is bussing maki.
Scum always buss maki.

Yeah I go for the double bus, great thought, don't you know I'm not that good at deep wolfing

[Gamma Emerald]

My scumteam for long time has been
Gamma/maki/venmar

But I can’t figure out why neither gamma or venmar is bussing maki.
Scum always buss maki.

Yeah I go for the double bus, great thought, don't you know I'm not that good at deep wolfing

lol is this a scum slip or am I high

You're high, I was being sarcastic with the first part

[Gamma Emerald]

probably a slip i think gamma is scum for not answering my quiz

Response bias is invloved, the questions are clearly designed to implicate chesskid, I have zero respect for people who do not do proper statistical analysis

[Gamma Emerald]

U honestly don’t sound like u scumread me buddy ftr

zzzz how does that sound like I think you're town, I'm just refuting you

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like Gamma is a scum player that tends to play by ear and I don't really understand his town game which makes reading him pretty difficult for me.

What do you mean play by ear
I've been told that as town I'm rather trigger-go-lucky and that sounds similar to this

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like Gamma is a scum player that tends to play by ear and I don't really understand his town game which makes reading him pretty difficult for me.

My guide for reading gamma:

He makes really really bad posts as Town
When he is scum he makes less bad posts that sound more reasonable.

Fuck you. This is shading any attempt for me to actually git gud as town. Fuck you for attacking the prospect of me playing well.
VOTE: Fire

[Gamma Emerald]

serious qustion here for everyone but reck: how many of you are actually familiar with my town/scum meta

Complete greenhorn

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like Gamma is a scum player that tends to play by ear and I don't really understand his town game which makes reading him pretty difficult for me.

My guide for reading gamma:

He makes really really bad posts as Town
When he is scum he makes less bad posts that sound more reasonable.

Fuck you. This is shading any attempt for me to actually git gud as town. Fuck you for attacking the prospect of me playing well.
VOTE: Fire

I’m taking this as scum confession too

Go ahead and try to lynch me, I doubt you even have the manpower to get it done. You better apologize for discrediting future good play by me as town after the game btw, because as I see it you just seem to enjoy shitting on people's capabilities

[Gamma Emerald]

Perv.

[Gamma Emerald]

Reck pls
can I be a member of the SDC

[Gamma Emerald]

Quite remarkable that Shiro has a lot of suspicion on me while none on anyone else.

Also yeah sorry that I didn't give reads and stuff. But the one thing I asked, to not turn the flip into a core aspect to the game, and you did the exact opposite. Also if I was eliminated there. I freakin said that it's OK to also lynch me and it just was a matter of who you'd think was the better Townplayer between us! Now y'all blaming me for bad townplay but then Kokichi would have been even worse. Cuz otherwise you'd have picked Kokichi instead...
I might have done almost nothing, but I did do one something, and what did you guys not listen to? That one thing. You won't listen to any other things I have to say so then you're not getting it anyways, how's that even going to help. I'll always be a suspect now for the rest of this game and that's bcuz you didn't take my advice, which was good advice.

Thought you said to not pick for game-related reasons

[Gamma Emerald]

And Anti just scumslipped in pt, btw

hm, what the think of this
gonna go with "shading harambae"

[Gamma Emerald]

denser than water

Don't you mean THICCer

[Gamma Emerald]

denser than water

Counting everything in a human body, we are less dense than water.
Proof: You won't sink during swimming. At least, not much. And if you're not obese.
I guess you're all less dense than water.

Actually you will sink if you're alive

[Gamma Emerald]

Vote: Fire

stop using that phrase but yes

pedit
VOTE: Reckmar

Hmm, well CHESSKID is more town than Ladybereth

VOTE: Reckmar

Any other reads.........

[Gamma Emerald]

[Date "2018.02.08"]
[White "some IM"]
[Black "CHESSKID"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D91"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. Bg5 Bg7 5. Nf3 Ne4 6. cxd5 Nxg5 7. Nxg5 e6 8. Nf3 exd5 9. e3 O-O 10. Be2 c6 11. O-O Re8 12. b4 a5 13. b5 c5 14. Qd2 c4 15. Ne1 Be6 16. Bf3 f5 17. Nc2 b6 18. g3 Qd6 19. Bg2 Nd7 20. f3 Nf6 21. Rad1 Bh6 22. Qf2 Rf8 23. Rfe1 Rae8 24. Bf1 g5 25. Qg2 g4 26. Be2 gxf3 27. Bxf3 Ne4 28. Ne2 Re7 29. Rf1 Rc8 30. Kh1 c3 31. g4 Rg7 32. Qh3 fxg4 33. Qxh6 gxf3 34. Nf4 Bf5 35. Qxd6 Nxd6 36. Ne1 Be4 37. Rf2 Nf5 38. Ne6 Nxe3 0-1

Uwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Seems to check out, looks like you've got mate in all scenarios

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma when did you first learn what third party tools are

I'd gotten wind of them in 17k

[Gamma Emerald]

sorry guys, was adulting

[Gamma Emerald]

Going after aman innocent damsel in distress such as I, is a classic villain move.

I am currently the easiest target to pursue and him coming suddenly to the epiphany is not good.

mhm.........

so what SHOULD you be getting townread for?

Looks like Shiro's taking issue to a scumread? I can sorta see how you got the opposite but the action described by Shiro looks like someone's scumreading her.

[Gamma Emerald]

Something in my gut is telling me shiro isn't scum but I don't know how to explain it. And gut probably doesn't trump bad posting anyway

I mean I recall she has an active town meta? So I feel she's walking a line here.

[Gamma Emerald]

Which was it about the game stalling meaning something for the alignment of the wagon targets? If there's two wagons and the game has stalled one is scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

Links go here.

Dead PT
beeboy - ActionDan
Firebringer - Shiro
Antihero - Kagami
Venmar - xRECKONERx
chesskid3 - Ellibereth
Harembey180 - Gamma Emerald
Dunnstral - Mak Harukawa
Joey_ - Alisae

Scum team, let me know if you want to release your PT.

lol
btw I was seriously considering pushing Harambey from his posts in our PT before he derpcleared himself

[Gamma Emerald]

Maki and Dunn threw by pairing up.

Idk seems like a good strat?

Me + Claire then I just get pocketed and lose maybe only other line I see that I think could be better?

I just realized, the guy I wanted to pair with got forced to leave, then I did
Joey this is what happens when you don't listen to me!

[Gamma Emerald]

you dont win games by lynching the village idiot

[Gamma Emerald]

you dont win games by lynching the village idiot

I was lynching gamma not harambe
Unless u think gamma was village idiot too cause I actually think he played way better than usuals which is why I scumread him

Gamma was obvtown

lolwut

[Gamma Emerald]

btw I'm no longer going to state out of game responses because that feels a bit rude to bring those into the game

[Gamma Emerald]

you know who sucks

all u fuckers with 2 page PTs

Hey we tried to use ours

[Gamma Emerald]

Reck I left all my sweet messages for you in the dead PT.

Try to talk shit when you probably threw harder than Ali even seeing as the game was PoEd until you emotionally manipulated someone who self-proclaimed to act like a 3 year old?

enjoy a clinic in how to actually catch scum and not be a twat

after what you did you don't get the moral high ground

[Gamma Emerald]

not gonna take the blame for harambey suiciding. i said moments before i thought he was town and didnt want him to suicide unless he was sure of you being scum

then he self-voted so like...that's scummy. and i said "why are you self voting you can just suicide instead" and so he did

selfvoting in this game is v scummy not gonna take flak for that

you just told him to if he thought I was scum

if you thought he was scum why ask him to sui