Just Play the Hits uPick - Video Killed the Radio Star

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I just quote replied and read it from there.

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Vintage 2010 page 1 wagon.

vote: sleepykrew

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I'd actually be happy with a long day 1, day 2 is likely to be a clusterfuck with everyone having negative utility.

Can I flirt for a townread mollie?

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I sent my picks and then realised I forgot that Nickelback was a valid pick but cbf changing.

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My neg is just a post restriction. So Imma just get it over with tomorrow.

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I just hit submit again when it came up with profit screen without reading lol.

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Also. You'll know I'm post restricted. There is zero hiding it unless I just don't post.

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mod I'm vla for the weekend. I still intend to find some time to post

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Hello kidlets I am back from my Holiday. I will be catching up all my games so hang tight.

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Sorry for my part in that. I expected to get time to play mafia while I was away, I was wrong.

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Here.

This Godel wagon on page five is stupid. It's like everyone went wallposting is bad, geriatric sucks, let play like shit slowly, vote godel.

Varsoon gets townpoints for not disregarding gamesolve and cautiousness as losing utility.

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Math why are you playing like shit?

Idk if I should scumread you for being scummy or townread you because you recently played heaps better than this as scum. Head, out of arse, in to a higher gear, and lets not be stupid and derail-y.

Disclaimer: While the godel wagon is/was shit, I see the frustrated townies being cool to jump on it so I will not attempt to read in to alignments based on that wagon's formation like deathnote.

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the dismissal of assemble is all kinds of shitty. Especially if they came from town.

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Happy to swing my weight here.

Vote: mathdino

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Math why are you playing like shit?

Idk if I should scumread you for being scummy or townread you because you recently played heaps better than this as scum. Head, out of arse, in to a higher gear, and lets not be stupid and derail-y.

Disclaimer: While the godel wagon is/was shit, I see the frustrated townies being cool to jump on it so I will not attempt to read in to alignments based on that wagon's formation like deathnote.

What would you rather I do?

I wanted an early wagon to
A. Put pressure on the player being wagoned to explain their vote
B. Put pressure on the player being wagoned to actually do something so I can sort them
C. See who jumps on the wagon and get reads on these jumps
D. See how people react to the existence of the wagon

So far, I've gotten interesting material from who else jumped on it, and a whole lot of people calling the wagon shit without explaining why (this, for the record, is NAI but annoying).

But as a rule I will NEVER go ahead and unvote someone that I'm specifically trying to pressure, unless there's someone else I'm scumreading way harder.

Like I can see how it looks like I'm playing like shit because I haven't actually done much of anything outside of throwing reads and pushing this wagon, but this game being held up by lurkers is not going to help me get into the groove.

And I'll go ahead and tell you I'm better as town than as scum; don't go down that route of "Math is too stupid right now to be scum". But my early reads are generally no better than random; the strategy early game is to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks.

You have to have known your Godel wagon was effectively an RVS wagon. There was no substance to it, and yet you treated it as something profound which is wasn't.

I'm definitely open to a discussion to get our minds in sync though, because you asre completely correct in there being almost no substance in this game thus far.

I'm not going to get in to a meta thing here either. We're barely out of rvs because nothing of note has actually happened here.

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+1 Vanmar

Math why are you playing like shit?

Idk if I should scumread you for being scummy or townread you because you recently played heaps better than this as scum. Head, out of arse, in to a higher gear, and lets not be stupid and derail-y.

Disclaimer: While the godel wagon is/was shit, I see the frustrated townies being cool to jump on it so I will not attempt to read in to alignments based on that wagon's formation like deathnote.

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You don't know if its scum math or town math, so you vote him? (happily!?) Or is that posting progression supposed to be your evolution into believing it was scum math?

So I've been thinking about deathnotes 171 over the weekend. First take of it felt towny, but didn't answer everything. I took a closer look at it today and the reason everything wasn't addressed is because he responded to my earlier "less descriptive post" and not my later "more explained post". I get town vibes from this part:

I'm interested in Vax swapping from Godel to me after my post. I would say it's too clever for scum to immediately pop off a shit wagon like that and onto the person calling them out, especially since I honestly believe Vax thinks I was scummy.

BUT I hate how he is just death tunneling his reads from that one wagon, and HE is calling them lazy town or scum.

Keeping my vote here for now, I'd like to see more from them.

I'm not a big fan of meta, scummy stuff is scummy, and it's the best I've got right now.

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@gamma
Because this is the first time they have actually "contributed" to the game and I use that word loosely.

Post 212 is just full of parroting what other people have said.

Post 213:

Math why are you playing like shit?

Idk if I should scumread you for being scummy or townread you because you recently played heaps better than this as scum. Head, out of arse, in to a higher gear, and lets not be stupid and derail-y.

Disclaimer: While the godel wagon is/was shit, I see the frustrated townies being cool to jump on it so I will not attempt to read in to alignments based on that wagon's formation like deathnote.

Saying "math is playing like shit" is a great way for scum to vote someone and then back off if they need to the town/scum comments just seems like theater to show us they are "thinking" about it. The last sentence reads to me: Guys godel was a shit wagon, don't scum read me for saying so, I'm not going to analyze people alignments like deathnote!

town.

What do you mean "dismissal"? Like not voting him? 1 of 2 things will happen, they will be forced to participate more or be replaced. I feel way more comfortable reading assemblers alignment once they participate more rather than an unknown replacement, but if we don't get that participation from him, then we will get a replacement. Do you really want to lynch a lurker that bad?
If your argument is that we just need to be telling him he should post more... how is that going to help anything? He is going to post or he is not.

Look through espeonage's iso, it is pretty devoid of game content or original opinions.

My read of what went down was that.

People complain about Assemble.
Assemble attempts to do something.
People go Lolno.

That's hella not fair to assemble.

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@pirate mollie

- do you read my #170 as sucking up to vaxx?

no because it reads tonally different from deathnote's posts.

comprende?

nope. i think dn's posts just read as him agreeing with people and i think you're nitpicking it, but i don't know why

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going off of Vaxx, Espeonage's posts on page 9 are upon scrutiny

bad

. i think what vaxx didn't mention but rubs me the wrong way the most is espeo's vote and jump onto mathdino, which reads like oppourtunistic and sheeping the gamestate. just bad feels all-around around the timing and tone of that vote in general.

@vaxx

- that said, i'd like to hear your thoughts on why you think math is town? anything to comment on the posts and points i and cooldog have made on him?

besides, it was him saying "but you guys I have to figure out how to use all these tasty tasty powers first" not him lurking that I took issue with

sorry if i don't immediately believe you there since #198 is vague and reads more like you getting caught up in the anti-lurker sentiment.

That's kinda exactly what I did, take it or leave it.

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I skimmed but I remember reading something about my stance on DeathNote's take ont he Godel wagon.

I'm not going to arbitrarily assign numbers of alignments on an RVS wagon and use that as a scumhunting tool because that would be stupid to put stock in to.

As for Var v Ven, I found nothing of use in it other than Varsoon appearing to have a town mentality to safety and gamesolve. The rest is of no use in reading their alignments.

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There's nothing particularly crux at the moment which is annoying. But I'm interested in what your stance is now that Godel has been replaced.

Does this leave you free to throw yourself around a bit. We need a good shit stir tbh.

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no emotion. i think his dismissal of my posts with varsoon is similar to the dismissing that you're criticizing espeonage for, but worse.

I went back and read this again and I'm confused. Espeonage is dismissing? Dissmissing who?

When Espeonage said

the dismissal of assemble is all kinds of shitty. Especially if they came from town.

I thought they were referring to the dissmisal of the assembly wagon. But I think they were actually referring to people dismissing assemblers thoughts now (@espeonage can you confirm this?)

Who did you think espeonage was dissmissing and why did you think I thought that?

i will also point out that i built on the case when i refuted math's points in #169, which math has still yet to respond to, btw.

169
-You are not criticizing mathdinos analysis, your philosophies differ, scum reading them for the dissmissal.
-You dissagree on theory
-Laying groundwork for not doing anything at night, Didn't like the response mathdino gave when someone said they were rolefishing.

your twitch reaction was to say that cooldog was more scummy than you for doing a similar thing and THAT is suspect.

Can you point this out for me?

My read of what went down was that.

People complain about Assemble.
Assemble attempts to do something.
People go Lolno.

That's hella not fair to assemble.

Did anyone actually say that? "lolno" Or is that your interpretation from no one acknowledging it?

who wants to argue with me about meta?

I will! What sides are we taking? lol

Math why are you playing like shit?

Idk if I should scumread you for being scummy or townread you because you recently played heaps better than this as scum. Head, out of arse, in to a higher gear, and lets not be stupid and derail-y.

Disclaimer: While the godel wagon is/was shit, I see the frustrated townies being cool to jump on it so I will not attempt to read in to alignments based on that wagon's formation like deathnote.

Dude, we can still figure shit out, stop trying to stifle us. VOTE: Espeonage

Huh?
@assemble What did that post have to do with stifling you and who is "us"?

I brushed off ven v var as kinda not useful other than I got one townread out of the whole thing. Which is what Ven was referring to. I then got mad at people not paying heed to assemble.

idk where the vote came from.

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I agree to the assertation I was being noncomittal to my Mathdino push. I'm actually interested in Espeonage tho
I recall him posting something and I should see if it's in response to the votes on him

you got some of them juicy conclusions?

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Most defences are useless anyway IMO.

Still waiting on Kubali's content. Here if anyone wants to talk about something else tho.

This is kinda setty uppy to me. Dislike.

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i assume napoleon is kesha

Shit, I forgot to pick Ke$ha! She was actually supposed to be my #2 pick!
I guess I'm not as trashy as I thought!

55 by Varsoon is good. I like the thought and the general early reasoning. Probably town.

you can trust me

my negative ability literally has 0 positive utility for town and is confirmable by the fact that i won't use it

in fact is there any negative utility in just claiming neg abilities

I could get behind this.
Varsoon raises a goid point about not all using them at once. Claiming them is probably fine tho!

I'm not reading oops

Literally me.
But I'm changing that!

why should i even engage with you, varsoon? would it make you feel better? do you want me to give you a reason to townread me? i don't really care enough for that. your case is bullshit and we both know it? im not interested in talking about it more unless you have specific questions for me to answer

:shrug:

Bit of a defensive response without addressing anything. Scumfeels.

Done page 3! Wooo!

Not a fan of the middle of the road take on neg utility claiming.

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Sk would totally do that.

It's not like it's not currently easy to slide your way in to anything as the day comes to a close.

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Says in OP everyone has a negative utility.

I reckon that Math has swapped his first and last roles and tweaked them to make sense.

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This is intent.

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You guys are going to fuck this all up. Dino is acting like he just wants to live to tonight so he can use his Janitor. Do not lynch Napoleon today. Lynch DIno

Need to mill this over. It may end up being a slip.

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I ain't moving.

If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and shits everywhere like a duck. It's probably a duck, even if it say mah mate I'm totally a chicken, it's probably still a duck.

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Mod hates one of my songs so he gave me a really annoying post restriction.

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Two deaths and no possibility of vig means someone was probs pgo or its multiball.

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Ok I raised the multiball point because if it is multiball, the general scumhunting techniques go out the window bc scum are trying to find scum.

Skrew raised it yesterday and it's valid.

However considering how Math played around his own claim, the survivalistic AtE or whatever he was spinning looks worse under that light.

Vote: Math

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Universal roleblock as a negative utility is only a negative utility if from town.

Venmar is pretty much confirmed town right now as far as I'm concerned.

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Ok I raised the multiball point because (stuff)

Skrew raised it yesterday and it's valid.

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well it's either pgo or multiball.

And honestly if someone was PGO last night they should really claim that bc it would really help town universally. If that doesn't happen, I am assuming it's multi and we throw the handbook away.

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Your issue banner is that scum know you are the only roadblock target.

You probs dead barring crosskill attempts.

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lol keep me around long enough and scum-me softbusses all my scumbuddies

I open the thread to back page, see this, and go yay I'm voting scum.

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Apologies. Will do something more substantial once I get to work.

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Ok before I actually dive or at least pretend to dive in to the thread, why are people still listening to this narrative that we need to leave an active scummy person alive because it is better for the game? Because that is plain wrong.

My looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and shits everywhere like a duck line stands.

Ven and Var are both town I reckon, different reasons but I'm pretty sure I've been over both reads in the past and they stand. Varsoon feels genuine here especially in regards to the roleblock.

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Ahh I'm sorry about being a lurker....

I just hated phone typing and I only had a laptop again for a few days.

Also, isn't espionage a lurker at this point?

Yeah I've been skimming. Mostly because there's shitall to do until people stop believe a really shitty defense.

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Ok theory.

opposing faction to Math is scared of the wagon because it's fucking taboo or some shit and so combine that with not bussing is why there's no traction today when there was traction yesterday, a town flip on the opposing wagon, and a bunch of scumread town dead people.

bc afaik those kinda all point to reasons why occams points clearer to math scum.

This stands even if it is an SK or whatever. I stg if you are town and had a compulsive strongman night 1 vig OR PGO and you haven't claimed, you're a fuckwit.

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dino's vca analysis also confuses me since if he genuinely thinks his wagon was almost all town-motivated, why does that makes him not-scum since scum would be happy to join such a wagon for a free mislynch? the resistance to dino being lynched is what concerns me. it's also incomplete since he just stop analysis after a while

here is dino's wagon at it's biggest extent prior to napoleon's lynch:

Mathdino(7) ~

CooLDoG(25)

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Venmar(46)

, Espeonage(30),

DeathNote(35)

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Kublai Khan(18)

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Vaxkiller(47)

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Napoleon III(20)

three have flipped as town. i know i am town, and for the timebeing im happy to give vaxx and cooldog townread leans. this means this was an almost all-town pushed wagon, with the possible exception of espeonage. It'd be really impressive for a big majority of the town to pile onto ANOTHER town member and for scum to just fuck-off to another wagon for (??) reasons.

will note that i think varsoon's floppiness on dino's wagon is something i am going to scumread. varsoon joined early, which reads as bussing, then jumps off when a lynch becomes possible only to return to soft-voting dino when the coast is clear open of day 2 ???????????????

pedit: reading me as "venmar" is fair since i indeed, am venmar. what happened to your diehard read on me in vca?

This had me mulling for ages, so I went back to get it. Why are you more inclined to think your reads are perfect when your own theory gets disproven by your analysis, over thinking you are wrong in your reads?

Also why are you not actively trying to make me a dead person if you are happy to give green highlighting to everyone in your pool of at least 1 scum except me. Don't be shit at the game please, you are the closest we have to an IC right now.

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Why is math like getting away with being more shimmy today than yesterday?

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Which is exactly my point.

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This is not reck's first game he's designed and he's pretty on the ball with the whole don't let the game be broken with massclaims.

So can we just skip over this whole role shit.

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If I get some time I'll see if I can find my old titus stuff.

I had a page of how to word analysis her but idk where it is any more.

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I also have in my notes that CD slipped but I can't find it on re-look so I'll have a trawl. I think it had to do with trying to get people to think something about numbers that wasn't true but I might have been completely mental at midnight last night.

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Lynching ven is dumb.

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Espeonage and Vaxkiller for scum on the wagon.
Hebi and Gamma for scum off of it.

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Vote: Varsoon

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Here.

This Godel wagon on page five is stupid. It's like everyone went wallposting is bad, geriatric sucks, let play like shit slowly, vote godel.

Varsoon gets townpoints for not disregarding gamesolve and cautiousness as losing utility.

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VOTE: unvote varsoon

VOTE: espeonage

Baited.

Everyone vote espeonage, definitely scum.

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unvote

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vote: varsoon

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also

to all the peeps I have played with before: have I ever NOT gone after some1 as town? varsoona is saying I don't. I thought pple disliked playing with me cos Itend to tunnel, have I been wrong all this time and that isn't what I actually do?

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vote: vax
Vote: gamma
Vote: varsoon