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why haven't you read your role -_-In post 43, DeathNote wrote:Confirm and will check role tonight
Maybe? What are you seeing?In post 48, Mathdino wrote:
VOTE: GodelIn post 42, Gödel wrote:
VOTE: VaxkillerIn post 25, Vaxkiller wrote:Hey mathdino, I havent asked this yet but are you a mathblade alt?
Did you not read the first post?
dude's always scum, let's get a real wagon going
i also got my first choice even though i also lowkey wanted my 2nd
i assume napoleon is kesha
YoIn post 49, Espeonage wrote:I sent my picks and then realised I forgot that Nickelback was a valid pick but cbf changing.
Honestly I might have had Nickelback as a pick if I'd watched a certain Let's Play (the channel) video before picking
So bascially oppotunistic off-voting point plus pushing the guy with documented issues (no offense to CooLDoG)? seems fairIn post 55, Varsoon wrote:Gonna lynch this now.
VOTE: Venmar
It's as though he saw that he was on the quickly growing wagon on Sir Elton Hercules John and realized either:
1. "Oh no gonna lynch my scumbuddy gotta switch gears"
or, more realistically (what I think)
2. "I'm going to catch flak for this flipping green if it's turbo-lynched, better distance myself entirely from this wagon."
The whole 'serious vote' bit is awkward, especially given it's not explained in a geriatric game.
Also, I feel like CooLDoG is a cool dawg, but has blown a load and self-destructed plenty of times when run up fast early on in other games. Dude used a dayvig shot on an IC in one of my games once. Regardless, I feel that Venmar might want to shift some of that huge SirEltonHerculesJohn-wagon momentum to CooLDoG while avoiding any real agency for it.
@Pirate Mollie:You avoiided answering me. I wanna know if I can trust you in this game.
Naaaaah this feels like scumIn post 59, Venmar wrote:going to go ahead and veto all of that overly-explained noise, sorry
but I'll wait to push this way, have read Venmar wrong before
This feels kinda like a scumpost, like "I'll describe my role as kinda scummy to sliiiiide it in there as a thing that could be town"In post 66, Mathdino wrote:lol i was sleep deprived when i read that
i understand now
okkkk so i think my negative ability is debilitating to the point of my entire role working significantly better as a scum role
like ability could actually ruin lategame
so bye bye abilities tbh
Yeah this is true if you're never using your neg you can never use your other abilities so mafia rb wouldn't need to block you (feel like with at least 3 different likely unique roles there's a high chance of maf rb shot)In post 69, Varsoon wrote:
Yeah, no one should claim if they've used their negative ability or plan on using it, if we can avoid that, as I feel it gives scum far too much info to mess with. I mean, if you absolutely have to claim it, do so, but yeah. Also, think about if your 'good' abilities should even be used early on enough to warrant your negative ability hitting game early. Balance that out in your head and don't just pop off on D1/N1, please.
Not a fan of Venmar's engagement with, or lack thereof, my vote/rationale on him.
Also not crazy about the whole "My serious vote was reaction-bait for someone to nitpick" angle he's playing.
Gonna stay parked right where it is.
Get got.
Ooh I like this response, nice and spicyIn post 82, Venmar wrote:
you: if you're third-level scum, you would do it and therefore you're scumIn post 81, Varsoon wrote:
The fact that you're cognizant of this and that you're willing to levy it as a defense of yourself means that you're meta-critical enough to make the play as scum. So, no, it doesn't make me some big dummy for thinking you're not above first-level play, though I do get you taking offense at me considering you first-level, especially if you're third-level scum as would have to be the case here.In post 77, Venmar wrote: i'll just spell out that if you think that I, or any scum of non-newbie caliber for that matter, would feel the need to hop OFF of a wagon this early in rvs to avoid a "turbo-lynch" on a buddy OR green, thinking it would actually happen, is simply idiotic
also you: if you're first-level scum, you would it anyways as a meta-critical move, and therefore you are scum anyways
oh ok i love these arguments, shows why i don't care enough to engage with them in the first place?
will also point out that slapping varsoon with the above "this move is idiotic" argument wasn't even my go-to response.
Also makes me look at Varsoon for that "damned if you do damned if you don't" vibe
Meh I guess that's fairIn post 86, Varsoon wrote:@Venmar: You've got it wrong (1st level scum would just do the scummy thing and stay on the wagon, 2nd would intentionally avoid that scumplay for towncred, 3rd would make the play and use meta as reason for why scum wouldn't do something so stupid) and are really caught up in presenting me in a negative way rather than grappling me and I don't like that.
@Deathnote: Oh, no, I very much want a lynch on Venmar. I just think I get way better info/interactions pushing him than my other scum candidates.
@Mathdino: I think my scumplay is mostly to flounder around and hope I make it to endgame, more realistically. That and BIG GAMBITS.
I was gonna vote Venmar before I saw the post I liked, now I'm kinda townreading him<Embrace The Void>
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I ended up townreading Venmar, pls MD, pay attention. I think I try to be realistic about my scumgame, but I feel like sometimes I oversell my towngame btw.In post 106, Mathdino wrote:HOT TAKE: The wallposts ARE the garbage (except mollie's, which is post restricted). Varsoon/Venmar's posts these past 3 pages have added nothing to the game for me.
Hard townreading mollie. Goodpost. That said, I don't think Varsoon lying about his scumgame is AI; everyone likes to downplay their scumgame as either alignment. I, for example, suck at scum.
Gamma saying "THIS COULD BE SCUM YO" at all 3 of the most active players is annoying af. Seems like it's more indicative of his emotional state (suspicious) than actual reads, lol.
Gamma why u still voting UT boyo?
Godel's Vax vote was just bad, that's mainly it.
@DeathNote: My understanding is that the roles were created and then the alignments were randomised. Like, my neg ability is so potentially ruinous for town (at least IMO) that I think the benefit scum get out of just using it and claiming their neg ability is something else, far FAR outweighs the potential towncred I could get for getting up on stage and saying HEY GUYS I'M NOT USING MY NEGATIVE ABILITY LOOK AT HOW TOWN I AM. Which I accept is pretty much what I did there.
For the people still not voting and RVS voting, can we get a wagon on Godel going? Shit Vax vote, obviously Vax not knowing if I was a Mathblade alt is not alignment indicative.
I was still voting UT cos I didn't see any non-RVS wagons I was interested in (until now). Your Godel reasons seem appealing tho so
VOTE: Godel
PEdit: crispy take; we should just let people post however unless it's just not working or it seems scummy.<Embrace The Void>
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Kinda townreading you and Ven
Warsoon no real opinion on but my Ven/Var opinions will likely be independent of MathDino's alignment
Also what's that about MathDino taking issue with rolefishing? If it is what I think it is he's getting voted<Embrace The Void>
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Wait
actually MD taking issue with rolefishing isn't that much of an issue as I thought it was
Forgot his alignment in a past game where rolefishing came up, now that I remember it the issue I had is gone<Embrace The Void>
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What do you think of me + my vote since you missed me being on the wagon initially?In post 171, DeathNote wrote:
No it isn't. I was analyzing the quick succession of 3 people voting and I was doing that because there was no case on Godel. His first post RVS vote wasn't enough to convince me that all of you voted reasonably. It was just another bandwagon that I felt had a strong chance of having scum on it and I'd rather look into that then figure out if Godel is scum or town from one post.In post 149, Vaxkiller wrote:It is tho. Who breaks down and inspects the beginning's of a wagon on a null? I would get it if you were town reading them, but a null?
VOTE: DeathNote
Godel was Null and I was challenging anyone (You included) for why they were voting him.
Oh Mollie... this is a very very bad post. Sucking up to Venny and Varsoon? Question to the room.Mollie wrote: I like how you were working things out before cos it seemed you really were trying to solve but it looks like you are sucking up to venny and varsoona in a big big way considering they are the most vocal players rn. :/
@Everyone here - Did my post #148 look like it was me sucking up to the Double Vs? Let alone in a "big big way"?
Are you just trying to scare me off of following them because they created a case against you even tho no one is voting you yet for said case? Your reaction is far more defensive then anyone else's in the game thus far and not just to me but also to Venmar.
Anyways...
I'm interested in Vax swapping from Godel to me after my post. I would say it's too clever for scum to immediately pop off a shit wagon like that and onto the person calling them out, especially since I honestly believe Vax thinks I was scummy.
That narrows my vote to between Elton and Hebi.
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I don't think this is sucking up btw, plus if the goal was to suck up to people I feel like the "shitty godel" vote part runs a greater risk of rubbing people thew wrong wayIn post 148, DeathNote wrote:Phone posting so i don't wanna get into this till tonight. Will say I'm in venmars side here as everything he has said this page is from town and makes for a much better case then godel shitty vote.<Embrace The Void>
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Me being less interested in you after time had passed. I also kinda get the feelin you might be town a bit more now? dunno why tho, will check myuself on thatIn post 225, Mathdino wrote:I feel like I should weigh in on this because you're all technically chainsaw defending me, but I don't have a read on Espeonage yet, and want more interaction with him before I lock that in.
Interested to hear more thoughts on that front from Gamma/SKrew.
Gamma in particular, because you mentioned said earlier you were ready to go after me once you were done with the Godelwagon. Has anything changed?<Embrace The Void>
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Um what are you metaing me off of? I don't think I've played with you before.In post 233, hebichan wrote:
You've been feeling kinda undercommited and unsure this entire time and honestly Gamma has been bothering me since the initial math wagon, in light of godel not being around, gonna do this.In post 226, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Me being less interested in you after time had passed. I also kinda get the feelin you might be town a bit more now? dunno why tho, will check myuself on thatIn post 225, Mathdino wrote:I feel like I should weigh in on this because you're all technically chainsaw defending me, but I don't have a read on Espeonage yet, and want more interaction with him before I lock that in.
Interested to hear more thoughts on that front from Gamma/SKrew.
Gamma in particular, because you mentioned said earlier you were ready to go after me once you were done with the Godelwagon. Has anything changed?
VOTE: gamma
Godel is probably replacing, and I would rather start fredh on that slot if that is the case.<Embrace The Void>
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I thought you were using meta cos phrasing
And yeah I guess it's fair to call that push undercommited, but I was hoping to squeeze content out of Godel. Though I guess saying that my heart wasn't in it wouldn't really put the full pressure on either. I'm feeling my current vote though.<Embrace The Void>
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Why are you staying on Hebi if you think Mathdino's behavior has a more clear scum motive?In post 244, DeathNote wrote:I have no qualms voting Dino at this point but I'm going to stay on Hebi for now. After going back through the game a bit, I'm pretty torn on how oblivious Hebi tends to be vs Dino actively focusing on smaller cases in comparison to bigger ones. I see it as potential scum faking a case on anything he can find.<Embrace The Void>
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Why... I honestly think all-in-all her accusation of me is fair. So if you had to lynch one of me/hebi lynch me.In post 266, Mathdino wrote:is there anything else good we can talk about in the remaining 3 minutes
how about gamma/hebichan
i could jive with the idea that if godel is town, one of gamma/hebi is scum
problem is i can't really tell which one<Embrace The Void>
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I agree to the assertation I was being noncomittal to my Mathdino push. I'm actually interested in Espeonage tho
I recall him posting something and I should see if it's in response to the votes on him<Embrace The Void>
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Assembler read is meh, I feel like he got read as scum as town for that exact reasoning in mini 1934In post 296, Kublai Khan wrote:People I'd vote to lynch at this point
- Assemblerotws (active lurking (2-3 days between posts to prod dodge), self-beneficial posting)
- Mathdino (shit early play, like really bad, and then got worse somehow)
- Napoleon III (Needs to do something besides to show off how little he cares)
Meh:
- Espeonage (Not a big fan of their early stuff, but am a big fan of most of the stuff post-"Math why are you playing like shit?")
- Hebichan (Mini-issues)
- Napoleon III (Needs to do something besides to show off how little he cares)
- pirate mollie (I have a really hard time reading her, but more town than scum, atm)
- Varsoon (Didn't totally like early push, but his posts seem genuine, so he's barely in this list)
Not going to day 1 lynch:
- CooLDoG
- DeathNote
- Gamma Emerald (plays like a mastina clone, but not as bad)
- Sir Elton Hercules John (Hate the alt, just be Untrod Tripod)
- SleepyKrew (Not sure why he's voting Espeonage though)
- Vaxkiller
- Venmar
I actually agree on Napoleon III and think a vote there would actually be nice
VOTE: Napoleon III
Also how am I a mastina clone I don't wallpost nearly enough (inb4 that's the joke)<Embrace The Void>
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But he specifically doesn't like playing scumIn post 327, Venmar wrote:^ i honestly think most of the players in this game would be more active and engaged if they were town so it's a very mute point for me at this point.<Embrace The Void>
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First off why are you devaluing your meta here? You've played with me a couple of times. I can provide scumgames if you like.In post 338, Mathdino wrote:Gamma: I don't feel qualified to get an accurate read here (never played with scum-Gamma). Nothing early on seems to townclear him. Really glad that no one has provided a read on Gamma that I can factcheck /s
109 feels wrong. Useless self-meta line, a token Godel vote justification, and a super LAMISTy "LET'S LET EVERYONE DO WHAT THEY WANT, WHO CAN RELATE?" in response to my sarcasm.
Okay but then 153 really doesn't seem like something scum would make.
@Gamma:Please elaborate on your read progression on me with regards to rolefishing.
A few seemingly random trajectories through the game seems pretty town to me; I can't really come up with political reasons to justify his switches. Espeonage wagon was bad but believable, and Napoleon is a fine vote.
Null if only because I'm being pulled in a few ways on this. I would trust players who've played with Gamma here.
109 I didn't realize it was sarcasm
153, The rolefishing thing, I thought there was an inconsistency between this game and the UPick but it was explained by you being scum, so rather than my point being wrong it was nullified by remembering the circumstances.<Embrace The Void>
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eh wot m8In post 345, Venmar wrote:gamma emerald (some reservations here, could bump this lower since i feel like i'd expect more out of town-gamma based on my experience with him so far)
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will repeat- i want varsoon to do something plsssss. also pirate mollie and gamma emerald. will help quite a bit to help sort them.
Is this based off Valentine's dance or...<Embrace The Void>
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Dino: does it legit say "ascetic also for nks" or does it have a name and you're paraphrasingIn post 350, Vaxkiller wrote:I dunno mathdino, this kinda sounds like your trying to pass off your scum abilities to appear as "crappy" town. I would think instead of being ascetic that works with NK, you would have a BP or something. I'll be on later tonight.
I'd call that ability a commute tbh but that's just cos I had it in a past game and that's what I chose to call it
As for the next day janitor I could see it, is it a self-janitor or does it happen for everyone?<Embrace The Void>
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do you mean 153, in which case he doesn't have to respond now because I determined there was a fault on my endIn post 371, Vaxkiller wrote:In post 350, Vaxkiller wrote:I dunno mathdino, this kinda sounds like your trying to pass off your scum abilities to appear as "crappy" town. I would think instead of being ascetic that works with NK, you would have a BP or something. I'll be on later tonight.
That's just it, they wouldn't. I was arguing that your role SHOULD be BP if you were town, not some weird ass ascetic role. Does anyone else's passive role not make sense like this?In post 353, Mathdino wrote:(and why would scum be more likely to get a BP than an ascetic, wat?).
You also ignored gamas 152
How? I'm not a skittle so it's very weird.In post 372, Napoleon III wrote:Well, page 4 was useless.
Also, Gamma, I keep thinking you're Bins and I don't know how to feel about this.
I kinda agree it was a waste but for them it was an argument about tells essentially.
Then why waste posts on it? Seems useless.In post 100, Gamma Emerald wrote:@DeathNote the 1st/2nd/3rd stuff (who's on first lol) is basically a discussion of wifom play.<Embrace The Void>
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yup you're just dense. Get over your ideology and actually think "Why?". Why would Mathdino claim such a role as scum? There's no benefit to it as we can clearly see, plus he very well could have made something up, and that's if they didn't receive fakeclaims. As such it more likely he's town is just stuck with a weird role.In post 379, CooLDoG wrote:P1) Math Dino is scum or town
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Eh well for that game I was pretty fired up because I felt strongly about things, here it seems like it took me a while but I'm definitely in that "ready to fight it out" mode nowIn post 380, Venmar wrote:
yesIn post 351, Gamma Emerald wrote:
eh wot m8In post 345, Venmar wrote:gamma emerald (some reservations here, could bump this lower since i feel like i'd expect more out of town-gamma based on my experience with him so far)
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will repeat- i want varsoon to do something plsssss. also pirate mollie and gamma emerald. will help quite a bit to help sort them.
Is this based off Valentine's dance or...<Embrace The Void>
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You've sorta been off my radar for now. Will say I'm thinking you're town so farIn post 401, pirate mollie wrote:gamma is pretty freaking worrisome considering his bff sheep vote and then suddenly I am like persona non grata. where is the love gamma<Embrace The Void>
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Honestly I think Mathdino is right that he's been incredibly pro-town and to lynch him is town destroy the town's primary driving force. If you still want to vote him you should provide contrary evidence.<Embrace The Void>
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Oh my god this is actual genius thnx Venmar for bringing that upIn post 423, Venmar wrote:also like can't we just force mathdino to use his negative and then no-lynch the next day to waste the clean? like the fact we can circumvent it doesn't make it add-up as a negative that reck would design to be negative, i think math might've just found a super scummy ability and claimed it as his negative
PEdit: i have been looking at his play lol. we're in claim territory now too and i felt like saying something about it
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Why wouldn't I unvote?In post 436, hebichan wrote:
Why would you still want to lynch him? Feels like scum trying to case not voting on a buddy.In post 433, Gamma Emerald wrote:w/e I was thinking about something but since Math's role is useless overall I don't think I care to
I still wanna lynch Napoleon but I kinda feel like his posting so far is okay...?
Still thinking gamma is scum, just not seeing it getting traction today and I also feel pretty decent about napoleon scum.<Embrace The Void>
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What the fuckIn post 446, Kublai Khan wrote:I admit I'm unsure if Mathdino is scum. But he is easily the most anti-town person in the game (both in role and posting).
Tell me how his posting is anti-town
What do you want? Hebi I think all I'd be doing is going around in circle if I argued with her so I'm not cos geriatric guidelines say not to do thatIn post 447, SleepyKrew wrote:mathdino is the most anti-town person posting wise????
hey gamma don't think I don't see you ignoring me/hebi<Embrace The Void>
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Of what? stop wasting my posts you dinkbrainIn post 451, SleepyKrew wrote:
an explanation, preferably one that isn't garbage tiaIn post 449, Gamma Emerald wrote:What do you want?<Embrace The Void>
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After that post I went into your ISO and found this
I feel like he's in between for me, he hasn't fully caught up and some things I find weird but none of his posting rings that scummy to meIn post 434, SleepyKrew wrote:
elaborateIn post 433, Gamma Emerald wrote:I still wanna lynch Napoleon but I kinda feel like his posting so far is okay...?<Embrace The Void>
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Why?In post 471, Espeonage wrote:
Need to mill this over. It may end up being a slip.In post 467, Vaxkiller wrote:You guys are going to fuck this all up. Dino is acting like he just wants to live to tonight so he can use his Janitor. Do not lynch Napoleon today. Lynch DIno
Re: mathdino possibly janitoring tonight, if he's scum do you think he's telling the truth about action distribution? In fact I'm pretty sure someone arguing that point probably already thought of that. Possible scum push?
zzzzzzzzzzIn post 477, Vaxkiller wrote:You announced early on your role was scummy. I want you dead because I believe you to be scum now. Your "ascetic +NK" into "Ascetic" explanation is BS and untrue. And yeah, I get it, when looking at your role you DO try and think how its going to be used, ans sometimes you make bad assumptions, but that ASSUMPTION should not be EXTRA ADDED WORDS.
You either are town and assumed that ascetic meant you were also immune to NK or
Scum and lied and that's why you added the ascetic +NK
The NK was never in your PM according to you, and you "imagined it there" only the problem is. You looked at your PM extensively for this post:
POST 353 PROVES YOU ARE SCUM.
BECAUSE YOU HAD TO LOOK AT YOUR ROLE PM AND YOU DID NOT CORRECT YOUR "ASCETIC +NK" CLAIM THEN
Geez Wake up sheeple
I've seen town stupidly not state their full role
I mean Mathdino himself saw me oopsie by claiming one-shot rather than novice in a recently ended game
Maybe? I'm more inclined on vax than ven currently but I could be convinced. Still feel like Ari's not done enough to make me townread him thoIn post 493, Chara wrote:hey, no. the janitor shouldn't be used, what?
Ari's town. can we lynch Venmar instead? :>
I feel like Ven has thought his plan through and it might be advisable tbh
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wait whatIn post 497, Mathdino wrote:WHY THE HELL WOULD I EVER WANT TO JANITORA TARGET
HOW DOES THIS HELP YOU IN ANY WAY<Embrace The Void>
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Are both of your things like this (the loved and hated)?In post 503, Napoleon III wrote:until mylo/lylo<Embrace The Void>
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idk man
I'm kinda skeptical of Napoleon because I have the same negative as him because the mod hates the song picked for the negative slot making it a hated shot, feels strange the mod would have varying logic for roles
Napoleon what did the mod call your negative ability role wise?
Also reads?<Embrace The Void>
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Okay thanks for thatIn post 516, Espeonage wrote:Mod hates one of my songs so he gave me a really annoying post restriction.
I still really dislike the thought of lynching mathdino right now<Embrace The Void>
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