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Hey mathdino, I havent asked this yet but are you a mathblade alt?
Kinda upset I didn't get my top pick, someone must have really wanted that poopy band.
I'm going to continue the tradition of the last 2 posts and mention
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Also, fall in line as I pagetopped. And wasted a post on telling everyone about it.- Vaxkiller
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In post 25, Vaxkiller wrote:Kinda upset I didn't get my top pick, someone must have really wanted that poopy band.In post 49, Espeonage wrote:I sent my picks and then realised I forgot that Nickelback was a valid pick but cbf changing.
Well I know who got my pick.
I'm assuming you mean you think I play scummy and not think that I'm actually scum? Do you think im town?In post 48, Mathdino wrote:
VOTE: GodelIn post 42, Gödel wrote:
VOTE: VaxkillerIn post 25, Vaxkiller wrote:Hey mathdino, I havent asked this yet but are you a mathblade alt?
Did you not read the first post?
dude's always scum, let's get a real wagon going
i also got my first choice even though i also lowkey wanted my 2nd
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Yes, Yes! 1000 times YES!In post 102, Venmar wrote:i hate making wallposts, geriatric in hindsight sucks
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Math dino I was going to ask that you answer my question but you dont really need to, you seem pretty townie to me, along with varsoon. I'm totally going to use my neg utility tonight and I'm sorry, I mean its not that bad, prolly sorta kinda.- Vaxkiller
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Godel? I can dig.
[post=Gödel]Gödel[/post]
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Are you town reading Godel?- Vaxkiller
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It is tho. Who breaks down and inspects the beginning's of a wagon on a null? I would get it if you were town reading them, but a null?
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When I look at a wagon the only time I start wondering about people on it is when I'm town reading the person getting voted (or post flip). If I have a null on that person, what would I be looking for? If I have no idea what alignment a certain person is more difficult to figure out peoples motivations for voting said person.
Can you look at post 128 again? Like he calls out everyone for their shit votes on Godel, then gives Godel a null read. That doesn't add up.
The last line is shit too:
It shades 3 people without saying who he thinks may be scum. Like why can't they ALL be lazy town, why not 2 opportunistic scum?In post 128, DeathNote wrote:I guess what I'm trying to say is... that 2 of these imo are lazy town and 1 of these is opportunistic scum.- Vaxkiller
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I'm not really for any of these wagons. Sry for the weekend lurk, I should have V/LA'd this weekend. I'll be on a little later tonight, and alot M-F 8-5.- Vaxkiller
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Can anyone give me the mathdino argument for scum in a few sentences? Or at least point where to look? I really don't remember him being scummy, but im also not that familiar with his play (just 1 completed game?)- Vaxkiller
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+1 Vanmar
@EspeonageIn post 213, Espeonage wrote:Math why are you playing like shit?
Idk if I should scumread you for being scummy or townread you because you recently played heaps better than this as scum. Head, out of arse, in to a higher gear, and lets not be stupid and derail-y.
Disclaimer: While the godel wagon is/was shit, I see the frustrated townies being cool to jump on it so I will not attempt to read in to alignments based on that wagon's formation like deathnote.
You don't know if its scum math or town math, so you vote him? (happily!?) Or is that posting progression supposed to be your evolution into believing it was scum math?
So I've been thinking about deathnotes 171 over the weekend. First take of it felt towny, but didn't answer everything. I took a closer look at it today and the reason everything wasn't addressed is because he responded to my earlier "less descriptive post" and not my later "more explained post". I get town vibes from this part:
BUT I hate how he is just death tunneling his reads from that one wagon, and HE is calling them lazy town or scum.In post 171, DeathNote wrote:I'm interested in Vax swapping from Godel to me after my post. I would say it's too clever for scum to immediately pop off a shit wagon like that and onto the person calling them out, especially since I honestly believe Vax thinks I was scummy.
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Fuck me. After a re-reading to try and figure out math, I discovered Deathnote is town. I hate those recent posts, but I like his other posts, and I need to stop my own tunnel vision.
Also math is town too, I still don't see this scumminess other people see.
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Because this is the first time they have actually "contributed" to the game and I use that word loosely.
Post 212 is just full of parroting what other people have said.
Post 213:
Saying "math is playing like shit" is a great way for scum to vote someone and then back off if they need to the town/scum comments just seems like theater to show us they are "thinking" about it. The last sentence reads to me: Guys godel was a shit wagon, don't scum read me for saying so, I'm not going to analyze people alignments like deathnote!In post 213, Espeonage wrote:Math why are you playing like shit?
Idk if I should scumread you for being scummy or townread you because you recently played heaps better than this as scum. Head, out of arse, in to a higher gear, and lets not be stupid and derail-y.
Disclaimer: While the godel wagon is/was shit, I see the frustrated townies being cool to jump on it so I will not attempt to read in to alignments based on that wagon's formation like deathnote.
In post 214, Espeonage wrote:town.
What do you mean "dismissal"? Like not voting him? 1 of 2 things will happen, they will be forced to participate more or be replaced. I feel way more comfortable reading assemblers alignment once they participate more rather than an unknown replacement, but if we don't get that participation from him, then we will get a replacement. Do you really want to lynch a lurker that bad?
If your argument is that we just need to be telling him he should post more... how is that going to help anything? He is going to post or he is not.
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They have explained reads and detailed thoughts on multiple people and I agree with alot of what they are saying. I get scum can do this too, but I just don't see it.In post 229, Venmar wrote:@vaxx - that said, i'd like to hear your thoughts on why you think math is town? anything to comment on the posts and points i and cooldog have made on him?
Dino dismissing you talking with cooldog (while rude) and disliking wall posts seems pretty NAI to me. I really don't see any rolefishing. It took me forever to find the accused post. Cooldogs reasoning for voting isnt great (rolefish+saying wall posting sucks), and I think yours might be fueled by some emotion caused by mathdino? I dunno you tell me.
The hard town read on mollie after 1 wall post (which he admittedly hates)? Yeah I don't get that. Mollies stuff is ok, but I don't see any need for a hard town read there.- Vaxkiller
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Mathdino can you explain why you have to interact with someone to vote them?In post 225, Mathdino wrote:but I don't have a read on Espeonage yet, and want more interaction with him before I lock that in.
I'm also bothered by the vernacular "lock that in" as if its a given you will vote but you are waiting, maybe I'm over thinking that tho.- Vaxkiller
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In post 239, Venmar wrote:no emotion. i think his dismissal of my posts with varsoon is similar to the dismissing that you're criticizing espeonage for, but worse.
I went back and read this again and I'm confused. Espeonage is dismissing? Dissmissing who?
When Espeonage said
I thought they were referring to the dissmisal of the assembly wagon. But I think they were actually referring to people dismissing assemblers thoughts now (@espeonage can you confirm this?)In post 214, Espeonage wrote:the dismissal of assemble is all kinds of shitty. Especially if they came from town.
Who did you think espeonage was dissmissing and why did you think I thought that?
169In post 239, Venmar wrote:i will also point out that i built on the case when i refuted math's points in #169, which math has still yet to respond to, btw.
-You are not criticizing mathdinos analysis, your philosophies differ, scum reading them for the dissmissal.
-You dissagree on theory
-Laying groundwork for not doing anything at night, Didn't like the response mathdino gave when someone said they were rolefishing.
Can you point this out for me?In post 169, Venmar wrote:your twitch reaction was to say that cooldog was more scummy than you for doing a similar thing and THAT is suspect.
Did anyone actually say that? "lolno" Or is that your interpretation from no one acknowledging it?In post 251, Espeonage wrote:My read of what went down was that.
People complain about Assemble.
Assemble attempts to do something.
People go Lolno.
That's hella not fair to assemble.
I will! What sides are we taking? lolIn post 257, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:who wants to argue with me about meta?
Huh?In post 276, Assemblerotws wrote:
Dude, we can still figure shit out, stop trying to stifle us. VOTE: EspeonageIn post 213, Espeonage wrote:Math why are you playing like shit?
Idk if I should scumread you for being scummy or townread you because you recently played heaps better than this as scum. Head, out of arse, in to a higher gear, and lets not be stupid and derail-y.
Disclaimer: While the godel wagon is/was shit, I see the frustrated townies being cool to jump on it so I will not attempt to read in to alignments based on that wagon's formation like deathnote.
@assemble What did that post have to do with stifling you and who is "us"?- Vaxkiller
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I dunno. I copy pasted the whole thing, but all that ended up there was "town"- Vaxkiller
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Yeah. I opened another tab, clicked quote, and copy pasted it into there. I have no idea how it got messed up. Maybe I deleted some of it somehow.- Vaxkiller
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Like, you asking if someone cop'd someone day1?In post 289, SleepyKrew wrote:does anyone have a guilty yet
PEDIT: I don't want to read that even though it doesn't seem too long byeeeeeee
No.
Nothing is concrete here its all guessing.- Vaxkiller
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Other than the sleepy crew read Kublai seems pretty towny to me.
Have I mentioned I really don't like the other people on the wagon I've started?- Vaxkiller
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Ari's activity is null and you vote ari? Also when voting you have to spell the name correctly.- Vaxkiller
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Cool dog, what scum hunting have you done?
Also Aris town activity is typically more active and helpful.- Vaxkiller
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Mathdino, full claim please so we have the time to decide on what to do.- Vaxkiller
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I dunno mathdino, this kinda sounds like your trying to pass off your scum abilities to appear as "crappy" town. I would think instead of being ascetic that works with NK, you would have a BP or something. I'll be on later tonight.- Vaxkiller
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In post 350, Vaxkiller wrote:I dunno mathdino, this kinda sounds like your trying to pass off your scum abilities to appear as "crappy" town. I would think instead of being ascetic that works with NK, you would have a BP or something. I'll be on later tonight.
That's just it, they wouldn't. I was arguing that your role SHOULD be BP if you were town, not some weird ass ascetic role. Does anyone else's passive role not make sense like this?In post 353, Mathdino wrote:(and why would scum be more likely to get a BP than an ascetic, wat?).
You also ignored gamas 152
Dino claimed he had anti town abilities, it was perfectly reasonable to ask this.In post 368, Kublai Khan wrote:What about the setup of this game made you think that this is a worthwhile question to ask?- Vaxkiller
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Sure, but a Janitor/Ascetic(+NK!)/and I'm guessing re-director or some such nonsense that hes claiming as a protective.In post 370, Chara wrote:hello everyone! welcome to the first game i have to play entirely on my laptop. gross. i thought about forgoing this post in favour of getting to the actual game, but let's be honest, a hello is worth 10% of my day's posts.
359: considering this is exactly the game where town can have a janitor, i don't find this relevant. scum could claim it because town could have it. townpoints? maybe i shouldn't be offering them here, but i will anyway.- Vaxkiller
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That's SOOO WIFOM tho.In post 400, pirate mollie wrote:
^^^ thisIn post 359, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:I can't see scum ever claiming janitor so that might just straight up be a town claim- Vaxkiller
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I was town reading math for most of the game. I kept questioning myself at some of the points that were brought up on him (some of the reactions looked bad) but most of the stuff being pointed out by people seemed rather NAI to me. Mathdino was providing so much well thought out and explained content, then some people would just nit pick everything.
Most of the people starting the wagon were scum reading him for bizarre reasons like "He hates wall posts" and then there was this whole "dismissal-gate" along with "rolefishing". Scum reading him for his reaction to being called out for rolefishing (when not rolefishing) FINE, but they weren't really pushing that topic.
But that claim. Ugh. I'm having a really hard time getting past that claim. I was assuming with the really shitty ability he was softing early on he may actually have some really good town abilities he was lying about, but no, he does have a full on scum role.
Lets break this down. I really think they are likely janitor/jailkeep/ascetic and he just threw the ascetic + NK in there to look town. As I mentioned earlier, I would think a town would just have have a BP instead of having all that negative utility. Gamma brought up a good point that ascetic + NK is basically just a commuter, so why call it ascetic + NK?
@EVERYONE Can anyone confirm to having negative utility passive?
I'm also wondering about what scum roles look like. Do they have all positive (to them) alignment based abilities? Or do they have negative utility they have to use? I'm thinking they have ALL positive based abilities (to them) because negative ability for scum are few and far between (maybe no day talk or something?) anything that would appear to help town could just be played of later as a town ability for town cred... making it positive utility. <----This is more theory crafting tho and just stuff im thinking about. If you respond to this post do not just respond to this one thought.
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According to the wiki it does not mean kill immune. Where did you get that idea from?In post 409, Mathdino wrote:1. The reason I claimed "ascetic + NK" is specifically because I recently played a game with an mafia asceticizer, and in that game, "ascetic" did not mean "kill-immune". I thought about that pregame and I was like "well shit, this is only worth it for me if I can use it essentially as a 1-shot BP". I specified that it could block kills to preempt the question of "is this the ascetic that blocks kills, or blocks all other actions?" It went against my understanding of "ascetic".
Bulletproof doesn't make sense with my flavour.
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Ascetic is a role modifier (though it can function as a role in its own right) that causes a player to be immune to all actions at Night except kills. More precisely, Ascetic reflexively Roleblocks all actions taken against them except kills.
YOU claimed it. I'm arguing the mod wouldn't make a convoluted ascetic +NK ability because it functions the same way as a commuter. That would be like giving someone a neighborizer ability that doesnt work if the target is mafia.... it would just be called masonizer.- Vaxkiller
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I don't know what to think now. Assuming scum have day chat (don't see this is the setup/rules and in most of the themed games I've played as scum it's open day and night) I would think the scum team would have coached him on this part. (ascetic +NK immune)- Vaxkiller
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WAIT WAIT WAIT, hold on there a second.- Vaxkiller
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I'm adding an analysis to the beginning of my own post because I keep staring at this knowing it's scummy but I'm having a hard time explaining why exactly. The 2nd quote reads as if they know exactly what ascetic is, then the third one reads as if they still don't know. Here is how I think it went down: Mathdino claimed ascetic+NK because he knew exactly what ascetic meant, and it would appear more town. When confronted with the idea he says hes not sure, when pressed further he says hemade that upassumed that part because it didn't make sense without it.
In post 348, Mathdino wrote:Passive is ascetic, also applying to NKs.
So you have never seen an ascetic immune to NK's, so you added it in there? So you do know what ascetic is.In post 353, Mathdino wrote:And no, it's a passive 1-shot ascetic. A commuter has the choice. I say "also for NKs" because I've never seen an ascetic that was immune to NKs, so there it is. I can't think of any other utility for being ascetic.
So you RECENTLY played a game where you thought ascetic meant something different than you thought it did, and you NEVER learned what ascetic actually meant? You never bothered to look it up?In post 409, Mathdino wrote:1. The reason I claimed "ascetic + NK" is specifically because I recently played a game with an mafia asceticizer, and in that game, "ascetic" did not mean "kill-immune". I thought about that pregame and I was like "well shit, this is only worth it for me if I can use it essentially as a 1-shot BP". I specified that it could block kills to preempt the question of "is this the ascetic that blocks kills, or blocks all other actions?" It went against my understanding of "ascetic".
Bulletproof doesn't make sense with my flavour.
Doesn't you claiming "ascetic +NK" show that you DO understand what ascetic is hence why you claimed the "+ NK" part?
There is so too backpedaling here and ignorance here for me to believe. Who assumes things about their role they know to not normally be true???In post 414, Mathdino wrote:You know, I think I assumed it was kill immune because ascetic has literally no purpose otherwise (other than dodging roleblockers).
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Why would town dino even be worried about using janitor N1 for the Day 2 flip? The only thing that pops into my head is it would help an SK, but he doesn't even mention an SK.
No he just immediately rolls over for town ans says "I wont use any of my abilities". If I had those abilities I would still want to try my hand at the Jailkeep on a scumspect.- Vaxkiller
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Oh. never mind. It's a day lynch thing.In post 348, Mathdino wrote:Negative ability is a 1 shot next day janitor. Potentially the worst possible negative. I realised claiming was probably a bad idea on the logic of "LYNCH MATH BEFORE HE CAN USE IT" but w/e. It's confirmable by me not using it, like I said repeatedly and before I ever thought I'd get run up today.- Vaxkiller
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You guys are going to fuck this all up. Dino is acting like he just wants to live to tonight so he can use his Janitor. Do not lynch Napoleon today. Lynch DIno- Vaxkiller
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Cause that wasnt your plan all along. its your plan now because you just want to survive. I got more, hold on a sec im playing dota- Vaxkiller
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It's not as simple as your making it out to be, i should be done with my game in a moment.- Vaxkiller
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You announced early on your role was scummy. I want you dead because I believe you to be scum now. Your "ascetic +NK" into "Ascetic" explanation is BS and untrue. And yeah, I get it, when looking at your role you DO try and think how its going to be used, ans sometimes you make bad assumptions, but that ASSUMPTION should not be EXTRA ADDED WORDS.
You either are town and assumed that ascetic meant you were also immune to NK or
Scum and lied and that's why you added the ascetic +NK
The NK was never in your PM according to you, and you "imagined it there" only the problem is. You looked at your PM extensively for this post:
POST 353 PROVES YOU ARE SCUM.
BECAUSE YOU HAD TO LOOK AT YOUR ROLE PM AND YOU DID NOT CORRECT YOUR "ASCETIC +NK" CLAIM THEN
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Mother fucker I give the fuck upIn post 353, Mathdino wrote:Edit: Okay I'm pulling it up.
Next-day janitor applies to everyone (I literally can't think of a worse ability than this, other than "kill a random townie"; I softclaimed the utter horribleness of fliplessness earlier).
And no, it's a passive 1-shot ascetic. A commuter has the choice. I say "also for NKs" because I've never seen an ascetic that was immune to NKs, so there it is. I can't think of any other utility for being ascetic.- Vaxkiller
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You guys do wahtever the fuck you want. I dont give afuck. I still think dino is scum.- Vaxkiller
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Claiming should be simple. I don't like how it changed part of the way through when people questioned it.
I don't like how dino thinks if he doesnt use his abilities he is town.
Scum dino can keep skating by day in and day out on this 1st day "town" read and just sit on his hands not using and of his abilities and get town read for it. If the gigs up and he starts to see the tides turn... he will use his ability. I would probably use it in his position (depending on other flips) around 3 or 4. But that also depends largely on who is being scum read at the moment and likely wagons.- Vaxkiller
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@venmar
Like in post 477 I was rolling on some points, then I stumbled onto something I thought was the nail in the coffin. I changed my post around declaring I found it. Everyone now has to listen. But no I fucked it up because I didnt read the rest of the post and now I feel its only going to fucking hurt the dino wagon instead of help it.- Vaxkiller
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Also I really don't know how good of a player (specifically scum player) you are Ven, but there are a few certain points I was worried about you and a few others and I really wanted to see dino flip scum to reaffirm those thoughts.- Vaxkiller
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Well at least I will get to say told you so after the game ends.- Vaxkiller
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Not sure on gamma, and who ever said "is this is a slip?" then left the thread I question as well. Good luck guys!- Vaxkiller
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If you would read I didnt- Vaxkiller
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I don't like how you claimed.- Vaxkiller
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Napoleons gonna flip town- Vaxkiller
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And you idiots are gonna pat your selves ont he back tomorrow like its a good thing- Vaxkiller
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Oh yeah. Sry not much of a sports guy.- Vaxkiller
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Hmmm
I get your drift. Choose me!
In post 590, Varsoon wrote:I was blocked for sure. My negative utility requires that I really trust another player, which is why I wanted to get it out of the way as early as possible when we had the highest number of town alive and more people I could trust.
If it's between Hebi and Gamma, Hebi's the scum, then.
VOTE: Hebi- Vaxkiller
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So I've been thinking about this some today (when I had a moment). I'm in a unique position to have been a town global roleblocker before! As venmar has stated mine also didn't block night kills.
Venmar. Why the fuck did you not use your ability in a town manner?
Also. Told you so about napoleon.
I also see chara is parroting my argument on dino... if hes not 100% guaranteed town, we have to lynch him.- Vaxkiller
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Dino. Why do you get all bent out of shape when I push you? Your not acting the same way for everyone else on your wagon.
A. From my point of view, scum would likely pat themselves on the back after lynching a theoretical town!mathdino saying "it was the right thing to do". I highly doubt they would jump ship to a lurker napoleon wagon.
B. Thats such a narrow minded view that doesn't address everything. Your acting like scum is in complete control of the game. Why couldn't town have started the counter wagon then scum joined up to save scum-you?
This isnt the first time you have offered these "It's A or B" choices when there are PLENTY of other possibilities.- Vaxkiller
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@ Venmar. I would seriously like a thought process here. This was not an idle thought.In post 604, Vaxkiller wrote:Venmar. Why the fuck did you not use your ability in a town manner?- Vaxkiller
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@venmar.
Ok. MAYBE it was phrased rude. Let me outline specific questions you didn't answer.
WHY didn't you tell us.
WHY didn't you lie and say your night action went through (and see if anyone else lies, or see who jumps or doesn't jump).
WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL US!
What ability could possibly be better than everyone other town persons ability combined? Like even a global night heal just puts us back to where we started - for what purpose?
Can third parties be in this game? - Vaxkiller
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