Ultimate Videogame Topic 3: The Next Generation

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finally picked up bioshock infinite

I'm stoked.

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so this game is fun

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I find it really interesting that people thought Ken Levine was doing a sendup of Tea Party people and fundamentalist Christians. This game clearly is a version of American society that embraced a Soviet-esque national religion.

I'm not really seeing all that much that's "lol this is a right wing society"

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that isn't even its final form

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so I'm getting to the end of bioshock infinite and holy bejeezus is it getting stuck up its own ass

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so I'm getting to the end of bioshock infinite and holy bejeezus is it getting stuck up its own ass

Oh. Get ready. My god, get ready. DA TWEEST.

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also, can anyone explain to me what the appeal of gary's mod is?

what's the appeal of life?

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was it worth the price or should I wait until it comes down?

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you have the best sig since also cocks

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CK is a game of headcrushing depth. Think dwarf fortress but with real history

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evidently some of my 64 carts are worth some money, so I'm gonna go sell a few and buy new ones. no real desire to play Harvest Moon on the original console (or really ever again) so this seems like good move.

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evidently some of my 64 carts are worth some money, so I'm gonna go sell a few and buy new ones. no real desire to play Harvest Moon on the original console (or really ever again) so this seems like good move.

if you're interested in selling let me know what ones, i can probably give you a better deal on them (i want to start building an N64 collection to complement my SNES one) than you'd get selling to a dealer

that's a great idea. I'd much rather sell to a scummer than a game store anyway.

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I bought Rust. Seems like a cool game. I hit stuff with rocks.

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starbound looks really neat too.

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So I'm playing Starbound

this is spacerraria and I love it

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So I've been playing Illusion of Gaia lately. Great game so far. Highly recommend!

The only problem I've had with it so far is that it's by far better on a control pad than keyboard. The controls are more or less designed around the functionality of a handheld controller, and it ends up being hella clunky on keyboard.

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I'm considering doing a thread where I post screenshots and reviews of the ROMs I'm playing. Would that be of interest to anyone?

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how would you feel about doing a ROM thread as a bi-weekly/monthly game club?

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ok I'll make a thread and finish up Illusion of Gaia tonight maybe

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played through Katamari Damacy this weekend. What a great game.

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so the stick of truth is fucking great

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so the underpants gnomes boss fights

what the FUCK

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YEAH it is CD

also I finished South Park. 10/10 will reroll as a Jew

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rerolling a Jew today

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what's the Jew mechanic? The others are pretty straighforward

he seems to have somewhat stronk attacks and magic, but the mechanic is that he gets stronger the more debuffs on him and the more damage on him

also I am playing a black jew. with a fro.

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I loved Infinite and was really underwhelmed by Bioshock I and II

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the only thing I had a problem with in Infinite was the final fight. because

loltowerdefense

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I thought Heavy Rain was a fun experience

there's that one hilariously racist sequence though

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I've been thinking about trying to put together a Team Scum streaming group on Hitbox... might be cool to do regular streams/schedules of different games with different personalities.

okay. I'm in.

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man, shovel knight is just

such a wonderful game

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man shovel knight

what a good game

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man shovel knight

what a good game

Could you delve into this a bit more? I'm by no means saying it's a

bad

game, I just watched a playthrough of the first bit and it looks fun but ultimately pretty standard. What's novel other than the shovel?

Also my friend gifted me Antichamber for my birthday! How exciting! But I still have like Hotline: Miami and the first Ace Attorney to beat, and I haven't even started Pokemon X. :/ At least there are actually several games I'm interested in.

yeah sure.

I said good, rather than any other adjective, for a reason. Shovel Knight was a game where the designers knew exactly what they wanted and executed it. I really appreciate how tightly focused the gameplay is. The items were great because each one wasn't totally necessary, but allowed you to customize the feel of the game to your specific style of play. Using a combination of items and armor you can get vastly different gameplay, which I really appreciate. Each of the stages is designed very differently around a central theme, so I really appreciated the amount of specialization I was able to get on my character from the items. Simply put, the game just FELT great to play. I don't get that a lot, especially with indie games.

I really liked the art, character, and level design. Along the lines of the designers knowing what they wanted, it really felt like they had a definite plan before they started. None of the areas of the game felt tacked on or lacking inspiration.

It's an extremely well-designed platformer that clearly was made by people who understand game design.

Just... play the game. It's fun.

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Thanks UT! I think I told myself not to watch anymore of the playthrough because I was "bored" but subconsciously, yeah, I think I might give it a go sometime down the road.

I actually had the exact same experience. The playthrough was very different for me.

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Psychonauts rules. I didn't mind Lungfishopolis, it was pretty fun stomping around as a giant.

My favorite world is by far Black Velvetopia. It has such cool art style and level design.

god that game was so good

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so I've been playing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellavie ... no_Sekiban and it's a lot of fun because I always wished they had done more with the LttP engine, but it's kind of disappointing at the same time. hard to explain why.

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so the new binding of issac is pretty cool

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it seems like such a great game. I thought everyone hated it tho?

uhhhh who told you they hated it? that game is fucking awesome.

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the second one is FAR better. get the second one.

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so Dragon Age 3 dropped yesterday?

I bought it, but it's 25 gigs of digital download so I guess I'm starting tomorrow

also they make you use Origin, which can fuck right off

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EA is just

the worst fucking company

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aaaaaaaaaaand it won't start

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oh, it doesn't meet the minimum requirements >_>

apparently having a quad core is necessary now?

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fuck Bioware

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the first game was great

the second game had good battle mechanics and went in a new direction

I'm interested to see where the third one went and I think it's kind of fucking ridiculous that they released it with only support for a processor that most people aren't going to have

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is it a laptop?

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I think it kind of depends, honestly

a significant portion of their user base uses powerful dual cores that run modern games FINE

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Played through the intro to DA:I a few times to test out the three classes. Thinking I'm going to end up tank-two-handed this time instead of Mage like I've been every other time. My laptop isn't exactly incredible for specs, so I find the up-close taunt fighter to be most effective.

You're playing it on a fucking LAPTOP?

Fuck you, bioware, seriously

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just that anyone who games is getting one.

that's inaccurate, but okay

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I'm building a new gaming computer

hooray christmas gig money

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replaying Link to the Past on a console right now

this game is so fucking good

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pulled the trigger on new components

will be building a new computer soon

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not yet, apparently

newegg just will not accept my money tonight

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paypal comes through in the clutch

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I'm buying GoT based on reck's reaction to it

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I'm buying GoT based on reck's reaction to it

I enjoyed it

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well I dumped 1100 dollars on this new computer. when I actually had time to put it together after waiting for twoish weeks I found that the mobo is borked

that's really frustrating

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813157501

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nevermind I fixed it

I am l33t

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I had to reset the bios manually

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RUNNIN MINECRAFT ON FULL SETTINGS

AWW YISSSSSSSSS

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minecraft

doom

wolfenstein

winter olympics for the atari

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actually though get MINERVA if you haven't played it

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yeah

shit is fucking awesome

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also, Stanley's Parable if you haven't played it?

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oh wait, System Shock 2 with mods

do it

do it

do it

can I come hang out on Monday and watch you play

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Also what mods

GOG packages it with mods that make it pretty iirc

otherwise mods that make it pretty

I can help

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Come on, Reck, Five Nights on the big screen, the sound up, the lights low. Very atmospheric and fun.

come on reck, I'll sit there with you bb

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so Dragon Age 3 dropped yesterday?

I bought it, but it's 25 gigs of digital download so I guess I'm starting tomorrow

also they make you use Origin, which can fuck right off

and a month and two days later I'm starting this game

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I've been enjoying Dragon Age 3, but it takes a bit to get rolling.

why does the combat get worse with each installment?

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it was slow the way BGII was slow

this is just Diablo III but less smooth

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I got christmas money. Should I drop 350 on an oculus rift?

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So someone gave me South Park: Stick of Truth for Christmas and I finished it last night.

10/10 game, best RPG I've played in a long time, absolutely hilarious.

game was fuckin great

what choices did you make?

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http://gamejolt.com/games/adventure/pre ... rty/42997/

so that game was really good

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Spoiler: This costs less and works just as well

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I don't understand what you'd hope to do with that, but i don't think it costs less either.

nah man you just cut all the wires and tape them together

it's basic science

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I'm going to spend an appreciable portion of the next day(s) on Deus Ex HR

advice?

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I'm going to spend an appreciable portion of the next day(s) on Deus Ex HR

advice?

Did you get the Director's Cut?

I bought it when it came out and my computer wasn't good enough to run it at the time

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the not-actually-open-ended openendedness was really getting on my nerves, so I switched to Talos Principle

I have the day off tomorrow so we'll see what I end up doing then

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it's good

I'm having to take a lot of breaks because of how much repetition there is in the puzzles

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Rimworld looks fun

ping me when they're not in alpha

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I'm gonna give it another try and actually try to immerse myself

and try to forget about how awesome the original Deus Ex was

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so I mostly really like Talos Principle, but the homing mine robot puzzle are REALLY getting on my nerves

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so I mostly really like Talos Principle, but the homing mine robot puzzle are REALLY getting on my nerves

When I solved these by figuring out how to use mines in a new way I got the Zelda puzzle solved music and felt like the smartest of cunts.

Honestly, amazing fulfilment for *getting* those.

yeah well having to start the puzzles over a bunch of times when I figured out how to solve them a long time ago really pisses me off

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I just bought that game and am going to give it a run tonight

I'll keep you updated

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okay it's really good

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okay it's really good

it is also incredibly frustrating

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I played a lot of Gabe Newell's Hat Simulator 2 this weekend and it's still fantastic

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I still have a bunch of mods downloaded

I wonder if I could throw them up on dropbox or something

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shadow of mordor is p fuckin good

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the Tropes vs Women that dropped today is... problematic to say the least

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the conclusions reached were really wrong in a lot of cases, although many of the examples were actually sexist this time

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the main problem I find with the series is it seems like FF goes into their video creation process with an end result in mind rather than collecting data and figuring out with the root causes of sexist tropes are with a critical eye.

I think the answer most of the time isn't "because games and male gamers are overwhelmingly sexist", and I don't think the data supports that conclusion. it really bugs me watching their stuff and thinking over and over "okay, but you haven't really proven that". they just flatly state "because misogyny" and never actually support it with anything other than raw data and a list of tropes they made up labels for

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I did think that this was the best video in the series by far in terms of presenting actual arguments, but I do think it's worth mentioning that you're conflating "sexist" with "bad person" when that is not the point I am trying to make. and I strongly disagree with you that the point made is not "gamers and games are overwhelmingly sexist". that was literally the what all of the arguments made pointed to, regardless of what the talking head said.

but that's getting off into the weeds.

and anyway, what I found really contradictory between their data and their arguments with was their claim that female characters are being FORCED into behaving sexually when they show female characters being willing and enthusiastic participants in sexual activity. now, there is a much more nuanced argument to be made that it's a more insidious form of sexism to show women using sex as a tool and a currency (although I think, from a feminist perspective, that women should have every right to monetize and commodify their sexuality) as their main thing to offer a player, but THEY COMPLETELY IGNORED THAT ARGUMENT and just pushed ahead with the argument that female characters in video games have no agency.

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and for the record:

I do think there is a lot of sexist shit in video games and I always watch their videos because I think that feminist critique of the genre is a fertile topic for discussion. and it bothers me that this group, with all their publicity, is completely fucking up a good opportunity to have that discussion. while there is inevitably going to be some backlash if you point out that people behave in bigoted ways, the bigger problem is that their videos present flawed arguments.

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but hey, they're doing a great thing by getting people to talk about video games from the perspective of gender relations. so at least there's that.

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...you do understand that's not at all relevant, right?

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It's relevant because you argued that sexualization of female game characters was not problematic because female characters owned their sexuality, and you suggested that feminism should appreciate that. Your tone suggested that your different perspective on this point resulted from everyone else being too stupid to understand it.

The counterpoint is that "strong" female video game characters who run around naked aren't really "owning" their sexuality because the notion that that is a typical way of expressing agency is a male fantasy (e.g., the scene with Judith from that video). It's like creating a "sexy lawyer Barbie" -- she's empowered, so she doesn't need to present realistically.

there is a much more nuanced argument to be made that it's a more insidious form of sexism to show women using sex as a tool and a currency (although I think, from a feminist perspective, that women should have every right to monetize and commodify their sexuality) as their main thing to offer a player

I thought I had already addressed that point, and had not said that it wasn't problematic.

anyway my main point was I have a problem when the argument is that female characters are being described as "forced" into sexual activity when
a. that is not shown in the examples given
b. they are enthusiastic participants

literally what I said was that the video presents a critique that is not supported by the examples that they showed. and you're talking about how video game characters are "forced" into activity by being drawn that way. which is insane.

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I think there's been a miscommunication here, because you seem to think that I don't find sexism to be an issue in video games (which I do) and you seem to think I think everyone else is dumb (I don't)

so the problem is probably the way I'm communicating

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Your tone suggested to me that you were dismissive of the interests of the article, since it is weird to basically 100% agree with someone in substance, but then focus your discussion on ridiculing them because they chose sub-optimal examples. Though I guess most political discussions on this site do kind of work that way due to everyone having roughly similar ideas, so maybe similar to that.

and for the record:

I do think there is a lot of sexist shit in video games and I always watch their videos because I think that feminist critique of the genre is a fertile topic for discussion. and it bothers me that this group, with all their publicity, is completely fucking up a good opportunity to have that discussion. while there is inevitably going to be some backlash if you point out that people behave in bigoted ways, the bigger problem is that their videos present flawed arguments.

I'm starting to think you're not reading my posts before you respond to them

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I do not understand your resistance to the idea that there is a difference between a real human female making a choice and a female character (typically/historically, a female character made by a man) making a "choice." I think appreciating the difference is required for understanding most feminist criticism. My guess is that you think I am alluding to something different?

I guess the issue is that I think saying "forced" implies that within the narrative the character is being forced to do something, whether it be through physical or non-physical means. I didn't really think they provided ANY examples that showed coercive behavior?

I do think wording is important here because you're going to lose people when you say "these female characters are being forced into sexual activity!" when what you really mean are "these are one-dimension characters and the one dimension is being aggressively horny"

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I think that's a really misleading way to say that. But I guess that makes sense in the context of that definition.

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well that's identity politics for you. it can really lead people to some bizarre and ridiculous arguments

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so... that doesn't at all prove the idea that fictional characters who are willing and enthusiastic participants in sexual activity within a narrative are being exploited

like, the vital question here is how they are portrayed within the context of the game (while it may be an example of a male power fantasy, that doesn't make it FORCED SEX), not whether or not it would be questionable for actual flesh and blood humans in the real world to be acting that way.

are you concerned that the villain in a story is being "forced" to be evil?

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and again, my issue was that the video took examples that served an argument of "video games portray women who are reduced to just being fuckholes and are totally okay with that. kind of an Uncle Tom thing, but with prostitutes" and used them as an example of "women in games are forced to have sex" which they just weren't.

it was like the examples went with a completely different argument and no one noticed or cared

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If the villain is an angry black man or a crazy transgendered person or a woman who's crazy due to menopause, then yes, that's a concern.

An explanation like "Well, this black person is angry in this story" would be the corollary counterpoint.

It's not like violations of this sort inherently produce bad art. But if violations of this sort are pervasive, it makes it harder for certain types of people to participate in the art form, which I think is a harm worth worrying about.

the issue is that the author created a character that is a stereotype, not that the character was forced to do something by the creator. Characters literally cannot be forced to do something because they only exist within preconstructed artistic media and can literally only take the course of action that they're written to take. you're not inhibiting a character's free will because they're not actual people don't have free will or consent or whatever.

I understand that it's a popular identity politics type of thing to do to put artistic creations in human terms so that an otherwise unconcerned audience will be manipulated into empathising as if the characters are real people, but it's really a deceitful way of framing that discussion.

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how is it critical thinking to pretend that video game characters are real?

if they had presented it as a thought experiment to get you to understand that "just because it's fiction that doesn't make harmful stereotypes okay" that would have been one thing, but they presented it as their central argument.

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I think I missed something. What are you referring to?

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also the expansion for Shovel Knight came out today, so i guess i'mma play that

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shouldn't you be playing duke nukem?

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Baldur's Gate II is way too low on the list, but shrug

nothing I didn't really know.

Spoiler:

1 EarthBound
2 Super Mario RPG
3 Zelda: A Link to the Past
4 Shovel Knight
5 Super Metroid
6 Deus Ex
7 Dragon Age: Origins
8 Planescape: Torment
9 Super Mario Bros. 3
10 Chrono Trigger
11 Minecraft
12 Portal
13 Zelda: Majora's Mask
14 Portal 2
15 Half-Life
16 Sonic the Hedgehog 2
17 Star Wars: KOTOR
18 Age of Empires II
19 Pokemon Red/Blue
20 Fallout 3
21 Super Mario World
22 Super Mario 64
23 Oblivion
24 Binding of Isaac Rebirth
25 BioShock Infinite
26 Fallout: New Vegas
27 Perfect Dark
28 Zelda: Ocarina of Time
29 Baldur's Gate II
30 DK Country 2
31 Banjo-Kazooie
32 Paper Mario
33 Silent Hill 2
34 Shadow of the Colossus
35 Team Fortress 2
36 Metal Gear Solid
36 Splatoon
38 BioShock
39 Starcraft
40 Tetris
41 Undertale
41 GTA: Vice City
41 Final Fantasy VIII
41 Animal Crossing New Leaf
41 GoldenEye 007
46 Half-Life 2
47 Skyrim
48 Metroid Prime
49 Ratchet & Clank 3
49 Dragon Quest VIII
49 Persona 3
49 Mega Man X
49 Smash Bros. Melee
49 Pokemon Gold/Silver
49 World Ends with You
49 Metal Gear Solid 4
49 Kingdom Hearts II
49 The Last of Us
49 Halo 3
49 Final Fantasy VI
49 Assassin's Creed II
49 Paper Mario: TYD
49 Tales of Symphonia
49 Zelda: The Wind Waker
49 Pokemon X/Y
49 Smash Bros. Wii U
49 Super Mario Galaxy 2
49 Mass Effect
49 Halo: Combat Evolved
49 Final Fantasy VII
49 Journey
49 Uncharted 2
49 The Walking Dead
49 Life is Strange
49 Mass Effect 3
49 Diablo II
49 Hearthstone
49 Suikoden II
49 Monster Hunter 4U
49 Okami
49 Warcraft III
49 Final Fantasy IX
49 Kingdom Hearts
49 Xenoblade Chronicles
49 Fire Emblem: Awakening
49 Super Mario Maker
49 Castlevania: SOTN
49 Phoenix Wright: Trials
49 Cave Story
49 Final Fantasy IV
49 Metal Gear Solid V
49 Dark Souls
49 Civilization V
49 Super Mario Galaxy
49 Bloodborne
49 Final Fantasy XII
49 Valkyria Chronicles
49 Grand Theft Auto V
49 Shenmue
49 GTA: San Andreas
49 World of Warcraft
49 Chrono Cross
49 The Witcher 3
49 Metal Gear Solid 2
49 Resident Evil
49 Resident Evil 4
49 Borderlands 2
49 Red Dead Redemption
49 Bayonetta 2
49 Mother 3
111 Morrowind
112 Batman: Arkham City
112 Final Fantasy X
112 Xenogears
112 Phoenix Wright
112 Demon's Souls
112 Mario Kart 8
112 Final Fantasy Tactics
112 Resident Evil 2
112 Zelda: Twilight Princess
112 Skies of Arcadia
112 Persona 4
112 999
112 Metal Gear Solid 3
112 Destiny
112 Mass Effect 2
127 Call of Duty 4
127 Virtue's Last Reward

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I just replayed it last week

hell yeah it is

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my actual list of games would have Nethack, BG2, and System Shock 2 in the top 8ish I think

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It's minecraft

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OH MY GOD THE WITNESS IS SO FUCKING COOL

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played Darkest Dungeon in beta and it was ridiculously frustrating

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I just went through for the umpteenth time and beat all of Mario: Lost Levels

feels so good

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I beat Super Mario 3 again today

god that's such a great game

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I'm planning on replaying the good Sonic games sometime soon

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Is the Witness good? I notice it's on sale.

one of the best games I've played

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I finally beat Mega Satan

that was a really cool boss battle

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Final boss of Binding of Isaac

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oh my god NMS is incredible

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What part of it appeals to you UT? I've had to same reaction as Zito from streams.

I enjoy the exploration. I enjoy that it's fairly open-ended right now and the (for me) unexpected story is fairly mysterious and interesting so far.

the game also is quite beautiful

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Well she used to do sound editing for video games. She doesn't do that anymore though.

holy shit she sounds super cool

she seeing anyone???

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Does anyone have any good puzzle game suggestions for PC or Mobile or 3DS? I find myself wanting to play some stuff over the holidays that I can do in more bite-size chunks that doesn't feel like an undertaking when I go to load it up.

Sokobond

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LAWL skyrim.... I mean, I liked the game I guess.

Never played Chrono Trigger so not sure why thats a great game.

It's great. It holds up.

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Spoiler: I just beat the witness? I guess?

I guess you only needed a certain amount of yellow glowy box lasers to open the mountain. I still haven't completed the town, the desert, or the orange leaves place. And I know where I have to go for the map things, because I tried one in that place in the windmill and this lady just started talking for like 3 minutes. So still a lot to do. I'm so tired. That ending section was exhausting.

I got stuck at the upper floor for like 3 freaking days-- the panels where the mazes were off from the usual positions. I didn't know you have to click on the lower left corner regardless of where the maze was, and I just kept clicking on the dot and getting frustrated and overthinking. When I finally figured it out I felt so stupid.

completing the witness is a myth

seriously for literally months after playing it i was finding witness puzzles IRL and dreaming about them. i was going mad

truth

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anyone else playing West of Loathing?

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West of Loathing was fucking fantastic, guys

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who would be down for a Left 4 Dead multiplayer night for old time's sake?

I already said yes to this

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BUTTMEN?????

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https://discord.gg/zsCjTF

if you want to join the L4D2 night

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I just played through The Consortium and it's really really good you guys

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can confirm, I watched that guy kick Reck's ass for an hour

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baba is you is a phenomenal game

I'm not gaslighting you here

verb (used with object), gas·light·ed or gas·lit, gas·light·ing.
to cause (a person) to doubt his or her sanity through the use of psychological manipulation: