Open 714: Tit for Tat [Game Over]

[TheGoldenParadox]

I also fake claim to save my ass no matter what, so believe me at your own risk.

stop gamethrowing

[Mathdino]

Jay that literally means I'm going autolynch you without a cc on a PR claim

You will not fakeclaim in a full open, that just draws out the real power roles

Also fuck you if you end up forcing me to check my role pm

[JaydragonKing]

I also fake claim to save my ass no matter what, so believe me at your own risk.

stop gamethrowing

I make a decision based on what is going down. And I did it in a semi-open before, so I had leeway. A clear cut thing like this Open? I won't give you the exact odds, but I will make the right call when it comes.

Appearantly last night and today is "shit on Jay" day.

Jay that literally means I'm going autolynch you without a cc on a PR claim

You will not fakeclaim in a full open, that just draws out the real power roles

Also fuck you if you end up forcing me to check my role pm

Jumped right behind Paradox but your point still stands, and being after him doesn't really matter in this situation cuz I know you'd have said that on your own as well. You continue your own strategy and hope we don't fuck each other up.

[Mathdino]

caveat: i actually am okay with fakeclaiming a power role when drawing out that town power role is actually better for town

for example, in a setup with a cop/doc and no scum roleblocker, i've fakeclaimed cop before just to force the real cop to out (so the doc could protect them)

but yadda yadda optimal mafia strategy yadda yadda

you have to know you're making the right call in situations like that or you'll be derided for a long time
not just the right call in that game, but the right call no matter who ends up being scum

[Mathdino]

FoS Mathdino

flip floppy as hell. Tell me the previous post was a joke and I'll get off your back.
VOTE: northsidegal
Actual vote.
Also feel like Jay is town for taking the effort to separate informative lynches from gut lynches, looks towny in my opinion.
Also, I feel like a possible motive for Almost being so passive that if he was active in this scenario, people would become suspicious that he wasn't NKed(since he can't NK himself).

1. Given that you're piggybacking my NSG vote, I have 0 incentive to get you off my back

2. Don't ever townread Jay for making nice looking posts, lol. He can be read on motivation, but people don't try because he has this air of having shit reads and being bad at town.

3. Good theory on A50. I have no comment on it at this time, however, other than that I'm still townreading him.
Honestly I'd be suspicious if he never gets NK'd regardless of whether he's using this strategy.

Townreading Paradox for that A50 thought though, that was pretty nuanced.

[Gamma Emerald]

Never fakeclaimed pr as town, have faked innos as cop when I was sure of my read tho

[JaydragonKing]

Yeah, I understand that concept well enough. My failed town games before and my previous experience in ToS taught me that lesson. It's how I improved to fast, really. I learn quick, even if I relapse sometimes.

I'd also like to question on why Paradox waited so long to comment on one of my so-far standard RVS Introductions I make, let alone immediately accuse it of gamethrowing out of the blue. Did you just start too re-read or were you specfically looking for something to accuse me with?

[TheGoldenParadox]

In real terms, here's where I'm at in terms of reads right now:
Mathdino: Generally looks gamesolvy but he always looks gamesolvy. I have no aptitude to read this guy. That was proved in Creature's micro; 2018 Goals. I doubt this slot is a PR for reasons that it'd probably be anti-town to discuss.
Jay: I'm getting town vibes from them, see 346
Almost50: Looks kinda scummy to me. Possibly passive to avoid suspicion about not being the N1 kill.
Luca Blight: Slliigghht scumlean. Focusing on one or two players atm but honestly I trust the looking after your son explanation, I feel false explanations for not being ere when you're under suspicion is just not behavior that any compassionate or understanding human would do.
NSG: Depends 100% on her response to the wagon on her.
Creature: Null.
Pin: Townlean, I like how he's putting effort that seems to come from a town mindset.
Anen: Slight townlean. I like how he seems gamesolvy-ish and looks like he is trying to help.
Gamma: Another player I don't know how to read. Most of his posts are one liners so I have no idea.
Paradox: I'm not giving a read on myself nononononono
JMO: I don't like this. Scumlean because it looks like he has a lot of fluff not trying to move the game forward.
mutant: For anyone else I would have a slight scumlean for self voting at the very start =. Here I have no personal meta so I don't know what he does normally.


So my tiers are like this:
{Jay, Anen, Pin}
{math, Gamma, Creature}
{mutant, NSG}
{Luca, JMO, Almost}

Pedit: I'm piggybacking your NSG vote for *reasons* of my own.
I believe I can town read Jay for motivation.
PPEDIT: SCREW Y'ALL JUST LET ME MAKE MY FRICKING POST
PPPPEDIT:

SCREW YOU JAY

[TheGoldenParadox]

Yeah, I understand that concept well enough. My failed town games before and my previous experience in ToS taught me that lesson. It's how I improved to fast, really. I learn quick, even if I relapse sometimes.

I'd also like to question on why Paradox waited so long to comment on one of my so-far standard RVS Introductions I make, let alone immediately accuse it of gamethrowing out of the blue. Did you just start too re-read or were you specfically looking for something to accuse me with?

A) It was a joke
B) I had just started to reread to create the readslist

[Luca Blight]

So you're scumreading me for only focusing on a few players even though you believe my explanation for doing so?

[Mathdino]

I doubt this slot is a PR for reasons that it'd probably be anti-town to discuss.

If you think that I would never forget if I were a PR because I seem like I have a great memory, you're dead wrong. In fact, I'm pretty sure RedFlavor only asked us to confirm our alignments, which means I never even had to type back my role.

Judging by my own recollection, I think I have about a 1/5 chance of being a JK, 1/5 chance of being a vig, and 3/5 chance of being a VT.

Fair reads list.

@Jay: Jump on the NSG wagon, she literally told me a month ago how to read her. I got this.

Edit: Oh god not this again

[JaydragonKing]

Ehh... Yeah your actually right. I think we need the game to get moving and a wagon will help. And miss North, in all my encounters with her, is never the one who speaks the loudest. Putting her on the stand will let her voice be heard.

VOTE: Northsidegal

[Luca Blight]

@Math:

Are you going to moan every time I question a scumread towards me?

It's becoming tedious.

[JaydragonKing]

I now see why the personalities of people like Luca and Almost make them such prime candidates to get shot night one so much.

[Mathdino]

@Math:

Are you going to moan every time I question a scumread towards me?

It's becoming tedious.

It's the fact that you never seem to question scumreads toward other people.

Your play is selfish. This is a team game. You reduce town cohesion.

[Luca Blight]

Jesus Christ, I'm about to go to bed and was just skimming the thread and that point caught my eye.

I am a team player. I will look at the bigger picture when I'm ready (probably in about 12 hours).

[Mathdino]

Sounds good. Benefit of the doubt, I think you're probably actually town, nothing personal, etc etc. And legit interested to hear your reads on players who haven't really interacted/scumread you.

I think today should be a Creature vs northsidegal gladiation. I really can't see myself lynching anyone else.

[jmo16mla]

@Math:

Are you going to moan every time I question a scumread towards me?

It's becoming tedious.

I also do. Just not in thread.

[jmo16mla]

I haven't had any reads on north in particular. Math, you said she explained how to read her prior to this game. Do you mind going into that?

[Mathdino]

I would actually love to go into that because I'm pretty proud of my play this game, but only when I actually start canvassing for the lynch.

I'm not like 100% confident enough in this read to speedlynch her without a reaction.

That was half a lie; she didn't really explain how to read her, but we went over our respective scumgames and she more demonstrated that I COULD read her. Honestly I think we've just seen each other too much at this point. I don't expect her to be the easiest sort ever for others but I'd like to think I can gutread her, even if she's only posted however few times.

Do you have other reads at this point?

[Gamma Emerald]

JMO: I don't like this. Scumlean because it looks like he has a lot of fluff not trying to move the game forward.

Like why does everyone suspect jmo for this? Did no one read his posts ever?

[Creature]

Can someone speak with me?

[Creature]

Anen: Slight townlean. I like how he seems gamesolvy-ish and looks like he is trying to help.

???

[Creature]

{Jay, Anen, Pin}{math, Gamma, Creature}{mutant, NSG}{Luca, JMO, Almost}

Too many scum are gonna spoil the stew
Too many nullss are gonna spoil the stew

[Mathdino]

Creature, none of your ISO is actually game-relevant so far except your one vote. Not gonna speak with you if I have nothing to respond to.

I agree with your NSG vote and that's that.