Mini Normal 1988 (Endgame)

[Christopher]

Hey all.

Allow me a bit of time to catch up.

[Christopher]

@BU: you’re all over the place with your scum reads.

You’re absolutely convinced that prism “was” scum (#681) but you don’t vote for Stefan, Prism’s replacement. Instead, you vote Roy. Why not stick with your apparent super-confident read?

[Christopher]

UNVOTE:

Where’s the wagon coming from on Roy? I saw the question addressed, but don’t think I’ve seen a thorough answer.

[Christopher]

b/w me, golden, TIAM, moz.

low content.

sitting back and letting tvt (tbh a lot of this looks likes tvt).

who is pulling the strings?

VOTE: Sephiroth

[Christopher]

b/w me, golden, TIAM, moz.

low content.

sitting back and letting tvt (tbh a lot of this looks likes tvt).

who is pulling the strings?

Christopher: What does the list at the beginning mean?

What do you mean by low content?
Is this all about Sephiroth? (I erased the vote in the quote)

Interesting turn of events, today. No idea what to make of it.

Ya, let me clarify my meaning:

ISOed Sephiroth.

Sephi wagoned between me (Leeoon), golden, TIAM, and moz. No explanations, no discussion, just votes. Hasn't posted much by way of content.

[Christopher]

UNVOTE: Mulch

I'm a town 1-shot rolecop

My predecessor didn't use it last night

Wish we had more from golden to analyze this claim.

[Christopher]

Actually I am still willing to hammer Mulch.
Thought about it a bit. I give a few hours for players to react but I will hammer in a few hours.
Sorry 1-shot Rolecop is a powerrole but not one that makes me hesitate.

I’m sorry what? First, mulch unvoted so no more hammer. Second, why would you rather hammer an un-cc’ed PR rather than an afk or any other person?

[Christopher]

hmm im probably not scum

Hi. Welcome back. Would you like to contribute anything more?

[Christopher]

Mulch, do you still claim PR?

From reading your ISO it's difficult to tell whether that was a troll-y scum gambit which you intended to retract later for towncred, an insecure L-1 claim (no offense meant), or sincere town claim.

Also, is your current vote on BU your scum vote, or do you still want to wagon Moz before you get lynched (#759)?

[Christopher]

Actually I am still willing to hammer Mulch.
Thought about it a bit. I give a few hours for players to react but I will hammer in a few hours.
Sorry 1-shot Rolecop is a powerrole but not one that makes me hesitate.

Okay, you are right, I can't hammer anymore, upps.
Why would I hammer an Powerrole, who is un-cc? Well we have a Powerrole who is not very powerful. CC for townrolecop are rare. (I have seen this as a townrole but it is from my knowledge not megacommon) I have seen 2 towntrackers in one game. (Was a large themegame so perhaps bad comperison for a mini normal)
So yeah I would kill a 1-shot no very usful powerrole from a player who gives me bad vibes (lynched ones a claimed doctor, too I think a two-shot one flipped scum)

Real claim btw

Literally the reason why you are about to hammer Mulch is because it's not very powerful and Mulch gives bad vibes? First, Mulch is uncc'ed. The fact that you still want to lynch is anti-town. Borderline scummy. What bad vibes were you getting prior to post 801? Have those vibes changed since then when people have tried to halt the wagon? I'm not getting bad vibes from mulch, especially since his uncc'ed PR claim.

Why should we allow you to hammer, Stefan?

[Christopher]

Looks like it's either Mulch or Moz.

I'll need to reread, because there's a lot of tunneling at the moment.

[Christopher]

UNVOTE:

UNVOTE: Mulch

I'm a town 1-shot rolecop

My predecessor didn't use it last night

Real claim btw

uncced PR is enough for me.

Stating intent to hammer Moz

[Christopher]

go on?

By re-read I meant between Moz and Mulch. I then remembered that Mulch is still the uncced PR so...that made the decision easier.

I still stand by my read on Sepi. Sepi’s been active but has done nothing noticable except go with the flow, vote hop, and not respond to my vote or accusations.

I also still maintain my suspicion about Stefan’s interest in starting the wagon on Mulch.

Pedit: hammering at 7pm ET.

[Christopher]

Mulch who did you investigate n1.

Roy who did you investigate n1?

[Christopher]

If I count Christopher also, who wanted to hammer Moz, also yeah the bolded + Christopher are my lunchpool.

Roys claim is believable. He claims a rare role, has crumped it, trys to play it protown.
So strike Roy from the lynchpool.

I can see BuJaber as scum, but I don't think he is that likly.
Btw: I am not realy against a Claim Vanilla/not vanilla. We can do it.

Not the unnecesary part of the post:

Christopher: This was a drastic example why lynching an uncounterclaimed scummy weak powerrole is not the most antitownthink you could do.

I feel sorry for the mod. An Archwing/Moz Deadtopic could be ugly.

Pre-Edit: Nero has allready in post 936 stated somethink that I see as he is okay with it.

Literally if we had your way we would have wagoned Mulch day1.

[Christopher]

Mulch- town 1-shot rolecop
Havingfitz- bad town
Stefan-bad town
Bujaber- mafia goon
Roy- town Neapolitan

——

Nero: either scum or scum town

Literally if we had your way we would have wagoned Mulch day1.

He replaced in Day 2.

Mulch who did you investigate n1.

Roy who did you investigate n1?

Seph.

Who did you investigate n2?

[Christopher]

whoops I quoted too much. Only meant to quote 1005.

[Christopher]

Wow, this day passed fast. I had to take the wife to the airport and before you know it...blam

I missed where Roy hit Bu n1 @1072

VOTE: BuJaber

[Christopher]

Mulch out your result.

[Christopher]

Hi. This is me claiming VT.

Also, VOTE: StefanB

Reasons coming...

[Christopher]

Actually I am still willing to hammer Mulch.
Thought about it a bit. I give a few hours for players to react but I will hammer in a few hours.
Sorry 1-shot Rolecop is a powerrole but not one that makes me hesitate.

Okay, you are right, I can't hammer anymore, upps.
Why would I hammer an Powerrole, who is un-cc? Well we have a Powerrole who is not very powerful. CC for townrolecop are rare. (I have seen this as a townrole but it is from my knowledge not megacommon) I have seen 2 towntrackers in one game. (Was a large themegame so perhaps bad comperison for a mini normal)
So yeah I would kill a 1-shot no very usful powerrole from a player who gives me bad vibes (lynched ones a claimed doctor, too I think a two-shot one flipped scum)

Okay, you are right, I can't hammer anymore, upps.
Why would I hammer an Powerrole, who is un-cc? Well we have a Powerrole who is not very powerful. CC for townrolecop are rare. (I have seen this as a townrole but it is from my knowledge not megacommon) I have seen 2 towntrackers in one game. (Was a large themegame so perhaps bad comperison for a mini normal)
So yeah I would kill a 1-shot no very usful powerrole from a player who gives me bad vibes (lynched ones a claimed doctor, too I think a two-shot one flipped scum)

Mulch's roleclaim is fake btw.

Are you sure? Or is that only your opinion?

Okay, you are right, I can't hammer anymore, upps.
Why would I hammer an Powerrole, who is un-cc? Well we have a Powerrole who is not very powerful. CC for townrolecop are rare. (I have seen this as a townrole but it is from my knowledge not megacommon) I have seen 2 towntrackers in one game. (Was a large themegame so perhaps bad comperison for a mini normal)
So yeah I would kill a 1-shot no very usful powerrole from a player who gives me bad vibes (lynched ones a claimed doctor, too I think a two-shot one flipped scum)

Mulch's roleclaim is fake btw.

Are you sure? Or is that only your opinion?

And more he claimed and if we belive Nero(which I after much thinking do, even after their fight) he fakeclaimed.
There is nothing in the slot from Paradox or Mulch that looks town.

VOTE: Mulch

L-1 again.

Okay, you are right, I can't hammer anymore, upps.
Why would I hammer an Powerrole, who is un-cc? Well we have a Powerrole who is not very powerful. CC for townrolecop are rare. (I have seen this as a townrole but it is from my knowledge not megacommon) I have seen 2 towntrackers in one game. (Was a large themegame so perhaps bad comperison for a mini normal)
So yeah I would kill a 1-shot no very usful powerrole from a player who gives me bad vibes (lynched ones a claimed doctor, too I think a two-shot one flipped scum)

Mulch's roleclaim is fake btw.

Are you sure? Or is that only your opinion?

And more he claimed and if we belive Nero(which I after much thinking do, even after their fight) he fakeclaimed.
There is nothing in the slot from Paradox or Mulch that looks town.

VOTE: Mulch

L-1 again.

Mulch: Were did I ever say that I am not scumreading you?
I tryed to explain to Christopher why lynching you is not antitown, even in the worst case scenario that you are town.
I have been polite to you today, really talking to you like you were a newbie. I don't see anythink from you execpt childisness, votehopping (that looks very oportunistic), and play that I would call newbish/VI-stile if coming from town. (And I am probably insulting the newbieplayers with this remark sorry)
I am not scum neither with Archwing nor Moz as you or BuJaber guessed.

Wanting to lynch the PR, even if it's a "weak" one as Stefan says is literally the most anti-town thing you could do.

[Christopher]

^^ Wow, all the nested quotes kind of broke the post above. Sorry!

[Christopher]

Selfishly, I'd like to hear from Christopher next, since he and I appear to be the two most suspected currently.

TBH my vote is for Stefan because I actively scumread him, but I can't let your coasting go unnoticed.

[Christopher]

Christopher: Before I answer this WHO SHOULD CLAIM NEXT!

OK SORRY MY BAD.

Nero.

[Christopher]

Wanting to lynch the PR, even if it's a "weak" one as Stefan says is literally the most

anti-town

thing you could do.

maybe its just nitpicky but....

Would you just smush them together...antitown? Is that even grammatical (outside the mafiascum forums world)?

[Christopher]

I think its a little odd that Chris wants me to claim despite calling Stef the scummist.

VT.

In what way?

I wanted Mulch's read early in the day, too.

[Christopher]

I think your towny too

whose towny?

[Christopher]

lol the whose towny line was a grammar joke.

Mulch wrote “your towny” instead of “you’re towny” so I responded with “whose towny” instead of “who’s towny”.

[Christopher]

Legitimately the reads today are based on you lot not understanding the difference between your/you’re and whose/who’s.

This is a bit silly, tbh.

[Christopher]

Legitimately the reads today are based on you lot not understanding the difference between your/you’re and whose/who’s.

This is a bit silly, tbh.

This is so bad, ouch.
The votes are based on process of elimination. (From my point of view for example Mulch, Sep: Confirmed town; Nero,Fitz: Townreads; Christopher, Lal: Not townreads, players left) and your play.

You aren't attacked for your grammer. The attacked post fit in a pattern shown in Post 1109 from Fitz.
You are attacked for what you do or don't in this game.

If you still believe that Neros 1140 is about grammar ouch. It is about wordchoice. You used anti-town, which has a different meaning than scum.
(For an example of antitown: Mulchs 1152,1153 is calling out suspected anti-townbehavior than he believes is done from town) The question is is that a slip?

So as a defence Christopher is confirming that he doesn't seem to read and understand the game, tryes to use emotion and continues to not helping.

Again, antitown is a preference. My read on you as antitown and scum are the same thing, but not all antitown equals scum when there is a stronger scumread on someone.

I read you as scum/antitown or whatever you want to call it.

The fact that we’re moving past your Lynch the PR strategy doesn’t bode well for us tomorrow.

[Christopher]

Haven’t been a fan of Lalendra for the same reason why I didn’t trust Sephi from the off: sheeting without providing reads, and lack of scumhunting/protown posts.

[Christopher]

Hi, sorry been busy.

I will get (a) post(s) later. Promise.

[Christopher]

I'm sorry I dropped the ball here! Too much IRL stuff to keep up with my defense.

[Christopher]

I wasn't a good enough replacement for 29 pages in. I'm sorry

[Christopher]

Christopher:
Your day 2 play was okay. You came of as a conservative newbie.
After that it got problematic.

The case on me was to little. I was only the one point. I am sure making a case of me being scum, could have been a lot more points.
Even I was very tempted to just ignore it, because it was only the one point.

Actually the powerrole exept Roys were in theory not that dangerous to scum.
The 5-day IC should never survive until day 5.
The 1-shot RC not a danger to the goons (only in the case were it doubles with the Neapolitan), confirms the IC, and could really get difficult with the Neapolitan look at the stuff Fitz dug up.
So it was an interesting setup.

You did a good job of minimizing my case against you. I felt like the end was near once town gambled on there only being 2 mafia total, and therefore they would lynch me and use that information for the next day. I couldn't go more frantic against you or build more cases against Lal (like I tried to do with Sephi) without appearing scattershot and desperate.

[Christopher]

I'm sorry I flaked. My life got a bit crazy. Good job to all town except for me.

You lucked that Mulch got a clear on you or I was going to be all over you

[Christopher]

The clear on Seph was by Roy and someone said thank you in tread, everone else said thank you in their hard probably.

Town did not gamble on the fact that their were only 2 scum. Town gambled on the fact that their was at last one scum in the lurkers. I gamble on the fact that Fitz/Nero both beeing scum made no sense.

RadiantCowbells: You were one of the reviewers? I don't think that Moz would have been lynched, if she had claimed. I don't know what would have happened after the claim.

Gambling on scum being a lurker is definitely a strategy, but had I been a better replacement I could have used that to my advantage.