Civers unite!!!!

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(board, card, video, we're not picky)
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Post Post #501 (isolation #0) » Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:20 am

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What's going on here

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Post Post #503 (isolation #1) » Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:43 am

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Samesies.

I would much like to someday play the civ with some of you fine folk

Alternatively we could set up a hot seat game, or do a game of the month kinda thing?

I've got Civ V and VI, Steam is psn_Elbirn, hmu
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Post Post #511 (isolation #2) » Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:58 pm

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Idk if this was an invitation to set something up today, but RIP all of you my irl friends set up a game just now plz understand

Uhh who is Insanoflex?
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Post Post #522 (isolation #3) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:43 pm

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Aww

Yeah I should probably note now that I'm only really available weekends. I work and school full time all week
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Post Post #529 (isolation #4) » Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:44 pm

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In post 527, Nero Cain wrote:we doing
mafia
tonight?
Uhm
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Post Post #533 (isolation #5) » Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:57 pm

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In post 531, Nero Cain wrote:civ mafia. make it
That already happened, was longest game on site.
....Weren't we both in that?
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Post Post #536 (isolation #6) » Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:56 pm

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Fairly certain this one broke it, this was a more recent game, maybe like a month ago it ended

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Post Post #539 (isolation #7) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 8:13 am

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Hey so

If anyone wants to play Civ there is the possibility of your best friend Elbirn being available tonight/tomorrow *finger guns*
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Post Post #554 (isolation #8) » Thu Jun 15, 2017 4:22 pm

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Don't you guys only play 5?

Cuz I feel obligated to play 6 because it's new and ~phresh~
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Post Post #557 (isolation #9) » Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:05 pm

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Would anyone care for a videogame?
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Post Post #569 (isolation #10) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:57 pm

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Yeah if you're playing civ v you pretty much can't go over 4 cities because the game is designed that way for ??? Reasons. Higher tech costs, higher social policy costs, and you'll never get the national wonders if you keep building cities. And being a city states ally is practically equivalent to owning it without any of the downsides, seeing as you get the various bonuses and copies of their resources (and if you invest in the patronage tree like a madman than you get even more bonuses in things)

Tbh you guys needs to all move over to civ 6, it's low-key a better game than 5.
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Post Post #571 (isolation #11) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:11 pm

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In post 570, Alisae wrote:
In post 569, Elbirn wrote:Yeah if you're playing civ v you pretty much can't go over 4 cities because the game is designed that way for ??? Reasons.
Sometimes I use the NQ's mod and liberty is really fun with that.
What is this thing?
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Post Post #577 (isolation #12) » Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:36 pm

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In post 575, Alisae wrote:.SNIP.
Honestly no matter what you want to do, Tradition is nearly always the best startup. Even if you plan on going wide and think "oh I should go liberty", even then tradition seems to be a faster start by giving you a strong starting core to then expand from

Plus if you go liberty and then you don't get to settle a fuck ton of cities for any reason, you're boned.

I tend to go max tradition -> honor opener if I'm getting wrecked by barbarians (optional) -> cherry pick some policies from liberty while waiting for rationalism to be available -> max rationalism -> after doing that who cares you already won the game just pick whatever you want, and don't forget to pick order ideology because the revolution must live on
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Post Post #578 (isolation #13) » Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:42 pm

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I will note that the free worker and then settler that you get from liberty can be greatly helpful, particularly if you don't get to steal a city state worker in the early game, and I think the pyramids are a top tier wonder that I imagine is quite under rated
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Post Post #580 (isolation #14) » Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:20 pm

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In post 579, Alisae wrote:I don't actually go for order
But
But
why
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Post Post #582 (isolation #15) » Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:59 pm

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In post 581, Alisae wrote:
In post 580, Elbirn wrote:
In post 579, Alisae wrote:I don't actually go for order
But
But
why
Autocracy is fun?
mostly Futurism and Mobilization
Gold Purchasing strats
Also Prora is fun if you can build it.

Upon fuhrer review (heheh) autocracy is actually an acceptable alternative and I've merely forgotten

I guess it's like
When I play, I want all the production and science, and order gives that to me, as well as several happiness boosting policies and gold cost reduction when purchasing buildings

Autocracy is all military all the time which is fun if that's what you're doing that game but I usually don't feel like killing everyone and would literally drag a game out waiting for my inevitable science/culture victory while happily playing Sim city, rather than being smart and getting the game over with by taking all the capitals


I never said I was good, just that I like civ.


I did have a great game as autocratic shoshone on a large earth map w/domination victory only, where I did honor like a madman
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Post Post #584 (isolation #16) » Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:14 pm

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See I'm the kind of guy who sees Alhambra and goes "Aw yeah, 20% bonus culture!" And I'm not even trying for a culture victory
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Post Post #589 (isolation #17) » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:34 am

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When me and my friends play civ we just ally each other and then kill any AI's that are around and then build happy little countries like a bunch of Bob Ross's painting happy little trees

We are all very good friends
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Post Post #591 (isolation #18) » Wed Aug 02, 2017 12:41 pm

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In post 590, wgeurts wrote:
In post 589, Elbirn wrote:When me and my friends play civ we just ally each other and then kill any AI's that are around and then build happy little countries like a bunch of Bob Ross's painting happy little trees

We are all very good friends
Don't you ever have uranium make one a monster?
No we sell that to any AI's that are left
Sometimes we decide that we like one of them and declare them switzerland.

One time I saw one of them was closing in on a diplomatic victory so I conquered all of his city state allies and then felt bad
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Post Post #594 (isolation #19) » Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:18 am

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Idk about this weekend but I'll have much more free time this whole next week in general cuz I took off work just because. If someone plans a game I'd like to join

Actually weekend may be fine depending on when, idk
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Post Post #597 (isolation #20) » Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:17 am

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Oh its monday, rip.

Uhmm is anyone available this week or no?
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Post Post #599 (isolation #21) » Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:55 am

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In post 598, Alisae wrote:omg guys
can I try to set this up?
it'd be really fun and stuff.

I should be avalable this week and stuff.
Just say something about who's interested en stuff?
Plz do, I should be good like any day
Find frands and make them play

I think nahdia and Cerberus are into civ, that'd be super swell!
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Post Post #621 (isolation #22) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:34 am

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In post 613, Lycanfire wrote:So, I'm playing Civ6 for the first time after being a long time Civ4 veteran. I chose Pangaea and added an extra civ to increase map aggression.

I chose China and ended up immediately popping a Eureka moment for having met another Civ at game start. I was confused, and saw I met Pericles.

Spoiler: Big Daddy China
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Of course, I was well versed in anti-computer tactics from Civ4, like performing worker steals. I immediately declared war on Pericles and captured his settler.

Spoiler: The End of Greece- 4000BC
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I began searching for my second city site at 3960BC, and despite choosing Pangaea, when I hit the coast I gained another Eureka moment.

Spoiler: Moms Spaghetti
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It's 3840BC. Rate my Empire.

Spoiler: I probably should have chosen Immortal
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I think I'll wait until Civ5 is on sale after this game. This is hilariously bad game design. I still enjoy Civ4, even though that game is ancient. If I wanted something more modern I would play EU4.

I'm not going to dissuade you from buying Civ5, it's p great

Civ6 is a worthy entry to the franchise though? I mean your first complaint there is valid, I think that's some sort of a bug that pops up every so often, possibly made worse by you adding an additional civ to the game and throwing things a bit off kilter. So far as I know the game is supposed to have you spawn in a minimum number of tiles away from each other.

As for the eureka for discovering another continent, if I'm not mistaken your "pangea" is divided into continents despite being one contiguous land mass; think eurasia. That or discovering ocean makes that eureka pop because *something* has to.

Man idk Civ6 improved on a lot of things imo, districts are great, the first expansion is coming out in ~2 weeks, just hold on to your butts
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Post Post #622 (isolation #23) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:37 am

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Also I'm sure I've said this a million times now but I would love to have either a "Game of the month" type thing where someone makes up a Turn 0 save file with XYZ settings and we all play it and discuss how it goes, or some sort of Hot Seat save that we pass back and forth; but I foresee no way for everyone to be available to play a game all together at the same time and for hours on end, y'all haven't played a game in months now
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Post Post #650 (isolation #24) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:57 am

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I never totally understood the best way to play venice. I always just established my happy little hermit kingdom with my one city challenge gogogo, allied every city state through the power of money, then waited for diplo victory to happen. City state buyouts always seemed dumb because they'd be puppet cities that I couldn't really do anything with, and I'd get more from having them as a city state ally, especially for diplo purposes
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Post Post #665 (isolation #25) » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:59 am

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Oh my god there are others who actually like 6 because I want to do that yes please
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Post Post #669 (isolation #26) » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:49 pm

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In post 667, Alisae wrote:If someone is willing to TEACH me Civ 6 I'll play it.
But I rather do 5.

Also I'm usually free as long as its not late Tuesday since I have class then.
Step 1. Git gud
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Post Post #718 (isolation #27) » Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:46 am

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In post 717, PJ. wrote:
In post 715, Klazam wrote:Git it. Its worth imo
nothing that's gonna go on hella sale in 6 months is "worth" full price.
Why wait half a year when you could have it nowwww
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Post Post #719 (isolation #28) » Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:46 am

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I mean I play games on like a 2 year delay but civ is worth having asap to me
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Post Post #724 (isolation #29) » Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:43 am

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Does the game not tell you?

Disclaimer for the longest time I thought crabs were a luxury in civ 6 but they changed them after 5
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Post Post #726 (isolation #30) » Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:52 am

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In post 725, Maestro wrote:Purple background = Lux
Tan background = Bonus

Wasn’t that true in 5 as well as 6? There are also multiple Pantheons and policies that separate them, in both 5 and 6.
I've no idea what you're talking about
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Post Post #729 (isolation #31) » Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:24 pm

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I don't do that on purpose but I do feel a bit of pride when I manage it by accident

Stonehenge I just always build tho
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Post Post #739 (isolation #32) » Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:09 pm

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Also all DLC for civ is on sale, get those deals shoppers

@porkens do you have questions? What do you
need
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Post Post #745 (isolation #33) » Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:25 am

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oh I forgot to help
I am sorry

I think your opening changes based on start position as well really. in any event depending on what tile improvements I can do right away I typically just go builder -> pause builder / start settler the turn that population hits 2 -> finish builder -> monument in both cities

sometimes I skip scouts and slingers entirely. sometimes you get a scout from a tribal village, sometimes you build a slinger to get the tech boost and sometimes you dont. I think in terms of what value am I getting from this in the immediate term and near future. and military doesnt give you ANYTHING unless you USE IT. so I procrastinate on military units until i spot a barb camp or another civ. this isnt necessarily correct but it is nonetheless what I tend to do.

porkens is there civ 6 specific details you need? like districts and such?
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Post Post #748 (isolation #34) » Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:24 pm

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In post 746, Porkens wrote:Yeah how do you plan ahead for districts?

Is it ok to move my first settler or is that an exponential waste of time?
DISTRICTS:

so first of all if you haven't memorised all of the district adjacency bonuses: absolutely memorise them asap. idk if I have a quick resource/link for that but you can view these details in the ingame civipedia or google it or something

secondly, probably the biggest thing for planning ahead is housing/population. the number of districts you can build in a city is locked to that cities current population; at 1 pop you can build 1 district, 4 pop = 2 districts, 7 pop = 3, so on in that fashion. So it's a balance between prioritizing certain districts in certain cities and also making sure each city has enough housing to grow and support more districts.

example: if I know I want to build a harbor in a particular coastal city, I'll plan on building that first or second, because I need the housing from that harbor *IN ORDER TO MAKE THE OTHER DISTRICTS*. if you get antsy for a campus holy site theater square first and then WHUPS, not enough housing for a 4th district: you'll be mad upset my dude.

you also have to keep in mind the fact that you simply can't build every district in a city. so you have to prioritize. coastal cities get harbors. inland cities on rivers get commercial hubs. cities by mountains are gonna be the bulk of your campuses and holy sites. this prioritizing ties into memorizing adjacency bonuses like I said earlier.

and with that all being said, my biggest protip to you is to use the map pins feature! it is absurdly helpful to me, I'll settle a city and then use pins to plan out that entire city, like I already know that a campus is going in this cluster of mountains and a commercial hub should be by a river and what can I put in between these districts for max bonuses and if I'm planning my districts to go here than this group of other tiles NEEDS to be tile improvements because my people need to work somewhere...etc.

obviously that's a bit over the top and even your best laid plans can go to waste but making a "rough draft" of what you wanna do is great. if there are wonders that you want to build don't forget that you can pin those as well, I'll mark a hypothetical spot for a wonder and then check if theres a spot adjacent to it for a good theater square. you can pin spots for potential new cities (4 tiles away) and then from there plan for their districts to go adjacent to another cities districts for even more bonuses. much to do!

SETTLER:

As long as you're not running like 5 turns away from your spawn its probably fine

settle in place? fine!
move one tile to a more desirable spot but still settling turn 0? fine!
bad spawn, take 1-2 turns to get a great city location? fine!

what's really important here is being able to identify the best possible spot for your capital. if you can get a river or a lake, do it. if you can get coastal, do it. really good natural wonder nearby? tempting!

But what I wouldn't go for is a spot a whole 3 turns away, at that point what you're really gonna want to do is settle your SECOND city in that location.

okay I've vomited many words lemme know your thoughts and additional inquiries. I probably repeated myself a bunch but hopefully I've made sense
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Post Post #749 (isolation #35) » Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:29 pm

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In post 747, Espeonage wrote: Plains Hills is the only boost to your city centre. Unless there is an exceptional reason don't waste a turn. It isn't as important as say Civ5. Don't be afraid to though.
this is also worth noting. if I'm not mistaken, city centers always make themselves 2 food 1 hammer. plains hills are 1 food 2 hammer, so a city center on a plains hill tile will boost to 2 food and simply keep the additional hammer. any other tile, it just becomes 2-1; luxury resources not withstanding.
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Post Post #753 (isolation #36) » Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:48 pm

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In post 750, Porkens wrote:Awesome! Ok, how stressed out should I be about relationships with other civs and delegates ?
I think that depends on how you want to play the game

if you're super aggressive and dont rightly give a damn if the whole world declares war on you then just dont care

if you're simply vibing and want to have a friend or two then go for it. alliances can be well worth it, particularly if you have loads of trade routes going to an allied civ. protip: gilgamesh of sumeria is programmed to always accept a declaration of friendship if you do it the exact turn that you meet him, and he will be your best friend forever if you keep it up.

citystates: depending on their location and suzerain bonus they may be better off as food. it's really situational. I advocate for almost always keeping science city states around, 3 delegates at every science CS in a game will give you libraries with 8+ science! it's also worth noting that theres a green diplomacy policy card that when equipped, your first delegate to a city state counts as 2. I like to save my delegates until I can put that card on and then get a free delegate at every city state

envoys! I'm thinking of envoys I'm an idiot! argggggggghhhhh
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Post Post #754 (isolation #37) » Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:54 pm

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In post 751, Espeonage wrote:Sent gilgamesh a friend request as soon as you meet him and you are set for life. But real talk, stay in the like top 2 or 3 in military strength and they won't mess with you even if they hate you.
espe is much better at advice than I am

my social policy tip to you is keep learning them, they're all situationally good and you need to learn when to run what I guess. early game, the +1 production card is great, I like to run the one thats +1 faith until I get my pantheon, it's all preference.

classical republic -> economic slots: +50% settler production/+50% builder production diplomatic slot: +1 envoy if first envoy card wildcard slot: +1 production

^ is what I default to a lot in early game for fast expansion and building
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Post Post #765 (isolation #38) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:43 pm

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I remember when civ 5 came out and all the true-civ-scotsman just kept wanking about civ 4 being better and truly time is a flat circle

civ 5 has half the features of civ 6 and I actually prefer the art style the end*





*civ 6 ai is foreal braindead though
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Post Post #771 (isolation #39) » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:51 pm

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civ 6 has districts and that alone makes it a less linear experience than anything civ 5 modded does

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