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Hi all! Just checking in before I head off to work... I'll try to read up a bit on break and I'll come back and say some shit when I'm off.
Any chance someone can give me a quick tldr of this game? Claims, current wagon, etc. Would be helpful! highly doubt I can make it through 116 pages of content.GTKAS
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quite a few people have posted since dino summed up this game, and (with the exception of a couple remarks from chesskid) everyone seems to be satisfied with the facts dino presented... is that fair to say? ie: there does not seem to be a large bias present in his catchup postsGTKAS
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yeah this, essentially. if you're town, you're only hurting us at this pointIn post 2935, Bins wrote:Go ahead and claim, though. If you're claiming PR, we need time to pick another wagon.GTKAS
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Not gonna let me ease into it, eh? fine.In post 2916, Mathdino wrote:Hey Archwing, I'd like a paraphrase on all the notes creature has ever made about this game, with dates (no timestamps)
You're allowed to paraphrase things, just not quote, copy or paste
k so, game started on 20th of Jan.
on 22nd creature wanted UCV to push LLD and skirt skirt.
early town reads on dunker bins and a50.
keychain looks bad, thus he makes the first scum team guess of {lld, skirt, keychain}
later (still 22nd) says must be reading keychain wrong.
keeps saying he wants eddie cane pushed.
thinks elena would most likely choose scum from her team
on 23rd, says skirt hasn't done enough for him to 180 flip read him
25th says {elena LLD transcend}
also thinks TBone doesn't pick scum and then lurk 'til lynched.
29th thinks bins being dino's top lynch is wtffff
thinks NSG and dino are the most likely people on your team to pick scum.
on the first of feb, thought about pushing chess for scum, then retracted and said stay on havingfitz.
6th of feb, thinks chess + CDB scum. keychain town, don't push the wagon.
A50's post 2053 has a solid case on chesskid scum.
and finally, CDB still looks bad.GTKAS
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Crickets, friend. I was not aware until you told me. Essentially my entire team has forgotten about this game, and just kept yelling at ucv to do something, and he never didIn post 2960, Mathdino wrote:
Speaking of this, there was a huge portion of the game where I tried to strongarm UCV into swapping out with Creature due to total inactivity on UCV's part.In post 2941, Archwing wrote:i apologize on his behalf
Was there any talk in the team PT/Discord as to why this didn't happen? Or whether or not they were even considering it?GTKAS
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Hey dino. How does quoting creature make me conftown?
How do I know you arent pulling what you did in our masons and monks to try to get me vigged/NKd/whatever
Also elena, if you can read right now, doesn't seem like you get to direct today's lynch. Or tomorrow's, if you're aroundGTKAS
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1. I still don't see how that makes my slot conftown? Like how do I know scum!dino isn t trying to pocket the newcomer in a 100+ page game?In post 2971, Mathdino wrote:You're townreading the town's entire lynchpool, of course you put me first.
Also that's literally the lynch order if I die. A break-in-case-of-emergency. I'm far more likely to be NK'd than lynched literally tomorrow/the next day.
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1. Creature is absolutely horrible as scum and hates playing scum. I was testing UCV throughout the day to see if Creature was paying attention. It seems like Creats was until UCV dropped off the face of the planet.
There are things that Creature basically can't fake. And a long conversation in a private topic trying to solve the game is definitely not one of them.
2. I would actually prefer you not get NK'd because I generally like having Creature's reads in play. He has a lot of accuracy but none of the charisma to back it up.
2. That's a great way to get me night killed. Thanks.GTKAS
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Seeing dino flip town fruit vendor gives this post more validity to me.In post 2968, Mathdino wrote:New lynch/check order if I die (assuming Elena townflip):
Elena > Bins > T-Bone > Titus > Bulbazak > Radja/chesskid
Do not let Bulbazak live to LyLo.
There's a very specific reason for this that I can't talk about. I once again encourage people to think about why I claimed there was an exactly 50% chance Bulb was scum, about a week or so ago. Rethinking, it would've been more accurate to say 33%.
Lynch Keychain in the end if RC hardpushes town repeatedly. Same goes to chesskid. Both of their teams are capable of solving this game by the end.
If Elena scumflip, gut says:
Titus > T-Bone > xyzzy > chesskid > Radja > Bulbazak > Keychain > CDB
Obviously you'll only have 5 lynches, but when the massclaim hits you'll be able to remove names from both lists.
Never lynch under any circumstances: Dunkerdoodles, Archwing.
GL is back, thoughts from him incoming.GTKAS
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Yeah, sorry I've been reading up but haven't had time to get right into this. I'm currently just getting ready for work, so I'm dropping in and I'm gonna explain my reads when I get back home. That being said;In post 3230, Titus wrote:Just highlighting Archwing posting in Queue but not here.
creature believes Titus would be today's best lynch, and he also has had suspicion on CDB this whole game. This is where I'm gonna start.
We agree on townreading Bins and Dunker, Bulb..
this makes the lynch pool {Titus, CDB, Keychain, Radja, chess} which I can sit with for now. Like I said, I'm gonna explain this more when I get off work.GTKAS
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me, personally, I'd like to start with this
VOTE: Radja
also radja, can you give me a tldr of why chess is scum? you pushed him pretty hard yesterday.GTKAS
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I feel like as a town whole, everyone right now is all over the fucking map. Everyone's SRing something different.
Can everyone give a 3-player lynch pool?
See when I played with chess, he was super aggressive af and I don't get the same vibes here, but I also don't necessarily think we have scum!chess either.GTKAS
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not much I can really say about my predecessor... he did not leave notes and there is nothing in the discord about it.In post 3275, Titus wrote:
Detail from this never came.In post 1882, UC Voyager wrote:
well. nothing more really. i will reread tomorrow unless i missed something and then make a more detailed postIn post 1881, UC Voyager wrote:word from creature says havingfitz!scum as well as titus ad chesskid. I actually agree... VOTE: havingfitz titus can go tomorrow.
other than thatGTKAS
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I had been asked for WHAT creatures reads were, so I asked and he gave them. I don't have all of his reasoning why his reads are the way they are.In post 3243, Titus wrote:
Explain why for each read.In post 3238, Archwing wrote:titus not really sure what you mean by every player on my team? like i've only explained creature's reads tbh.
I'm trying to start from 100 pages in and get reads from interactions now. I'm going off a lot of gut reads and feelings right now. It's gonna take me a bit of time... the more discussion that happens, the better this will be.GTKAS
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looking forward to this.In post 3276, Titus wrote:Remind me that Eddie has a lot to say and I need to put that in.GTKAS
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never said I think chesskid is town. I'm null, at best, with him.
I played a game, when I was scum and chess was town vig, and he had me read early d1. he was super aggressive and death tunneled me (and my partner too lol)
I don't get those vibes from him.GTKAS
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yeah and I get that. thats why i'm not TRing him... I guess i'm not SRing him yet though. I haven't seen chess as a VT, and so maybe this could be it? maybe he's more forward as a PR? iunno. I'm not really interested in sorting this slot right now.In post 3293, Radja wrote:That's what my teammates are hard scumreading him for.
xyzzy I personally have no read on at all. creature believes he is null/town.GTKAS
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Not really. When asked, he gave very dry reads. I know he's busy in his own game and hasn't paid much attention here post-UCV. He has been helping LQ too.
Frankly I'm getting annoyed that people are using me as a means to have creature in this game instead.GTKAS
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I'd put the townbloc as me, bulba, dunker, and maybe bins. poe the rest.In post 3305, Titus wrote:ok does everyone agree that bulba me minaslot and Dunkerdoodles are town?
Therefore we have 2 scum in chess radja key bins xzzy and archwing?GTKAS
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thinks y'all are annoying for hounding me for his reads, and surprising that you haven't noticed that he has been slacking on his own personal game, so asking him for reads here is even bigger stretch.
creature says he had LLD scumread WAY BEFORE ucv "hopped over to the wagon when it became inevitable" so that theory is bs.
because I can't recall, creature wants to know if Radja is a known busser in meta? this is my first exposure with them so i can't say for sure.
he would also like to hear thoughts from Radja's teamGTKAS
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In post 2938, Archwing wrote:
Not gonna let me ease into it, eh? fine.In post 2916, Mathdino wrote:Hey Archwing, I'd like a paraphrase on all the notes creature has ever made about this game, with dates (no timestamps)
You're allowed to paraphrase things, just not quote, copy or paste
k so, game started on 20th of Jan.
on 22nd creature wanted UCV to push LLD and skirt skirt.
early town reads on dunker bins and a50.
keychain looks bad, thus he makes the first scum team guess of {lld, skirt, keychain}
later (still 22nd) says must be reading keychain wrong.
keeps saying he wants eddie cane pushed.
thinks elena would most likely choose scum from her team
on 23rd, says skirt hasn't done enough for him to 180 flip read him
25th says {elena LLD transcend}
also thinks TBone doesn't pick scum and then lurk 'til lynched.
29th thinks bins being dino's top lynch is wtffff
thinks NSG and dino are the most likely people on your team to pick scum.
on the first of feb, thought about pushing chess for scum, then retracted and said stay on havingfitz.
6th of feb, thinks chess + CDB scum. keychain town, don't push the wagon.
A50's post 2053 has a solid case on chesskid scum.
and finally, CDB still looks bad.
@titus, creature wants you to look at the timing of thisIn post 3274, Titus wrote:In post 1842, mhsmith0 wrote:
Voyager (former Arch) only changes when LLD inevitable.In post 1928, mhsmith0 wrote:GTKAS
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I only put myself there because I obviously know who I am.In post 3411, Bulbazak wrote:I also agree with this, minus Arch.
Essentially, I have Mina, Dunker, and Bins as hard town. I can see scum potentially trying to worm into a town bloc right now, so that's why I'm not sold on people trying to establish blocs with themselves in it, especially when there are still reservations surrounding them. It's something we definitely need to work out, but one I think will happen organically over the next day or so. Hence why I said we're not there yet.
I realize the slot I replaced into wasn't exactly... present, and y'all aren't super satisfied with me, and so that's fine. I don't expect to be a part of any townbloc, but that is the one I'd propose. FWIW it aligns with creature's reads, too. He's more solid on the Bins townread though, he's got her on locktown.
Bulba, did you respond with a 3 player lynch pool? Sorry if I missed it. just say yes if you did, you don't need to repeat it.GTKAS
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This post from creature is for you, TitusIn post 3402, Titus wrote:Also I knew someone wanted me to look at "timing", but that was vague.GTKAS
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@Bulba -
can you town case CDB pre-mina for me? My team had CDB pretty scummy, and wanted them pushed today. Do you think Mina is holding onto that townread for you?GTKAS
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How do you feel about the soft crumbing of T-Bone on Titus? (start of this day phase)
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@titus,
creature was responding to how you called UCV's jump over to LLD "opportunistic" and that he didn't vote LLD until there was no other option.
creature wants you to know that he had LLD pinged as scum waaaaaaay before UCV had voted her.GTKAS
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I mean, if I've listed Bulb as hard conf town, then I've misrepped how I feel, and i'm sorry about that.In post 3488, Keychain wrote:@Archwing: why do you have such a strong seeming townread on Bulba? We can't find an origin, especially after quoting the Math post that says he shouldn't live to LyLo.
I'm not interested at all in lynching bulb today, and I do know that Math said he should not live to LyLo for... reasons? I dunno. But i super hard trust math's reads, I know he's a great player.
My team is pretty much all town reading bulb right now, so I guess I'm just not really interested in sorting that slot at this time?GTKAS
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meh. tbf I think you're reading into it a bit much, but I'll still respond even though I can already tell you're going to be unsatisfied with my answer.
I stand by the team I put in the townblock. but as the game evolves, that changes. Do I want bulba to continue with us tomorrow? yep. Should bulba die before lylo? probably, if we follow what math said.
if you've made a decent-sized townblock, someone in there will surely have to go before lylo, or you've fucked up your townblock hard. like, if all that is remaining in the game is the townblock, you're already at a disadv.
basically i'm comfortable with bulbs slot right now. that can, and is allowed to, change.
@chess,
3 player lynch pool?GTKAS
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I was townreading you, but I was hesitant to act on it cause creature had you scumread and wanted me to push you. So I kinda left you alone for awhile. Now that you're conf town I'm allowing myself to align myself with your reads more.In post 3512, Titus wrote:Why am I worth sheeping?GTKAS
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Deas, sheep wants you to know he says hi. Also, he says you are 1304i433% town, as you are fitting your town meta to a t here, as in your hydra with him.GTKAS
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And so, I'm pretty passive right now. You and mina have done your due diligence with re reading... I did not and will not. I'm building off present information. That leads me to believe in the xy lynch, which puts us in a good spot.
I've explaibed my explicit sheeping on Titus already.GTKAS
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sorry guys. i've been pretty shitty this game. I'm trying to get into it but I can't seem to really invest myself in this. I'm really gonna get into this soon i promise.
I really do wanna flip xy though, regardless if I'm about to be the counter wagon.GTKAS
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Don't think anyone here has first-hand played with me, although maybe people have read some of my games. I can link you some games in a bit though.In post 3687, Bulbazak wrote:I have notes from some of my ISO dives, but I don't feel like typing them up tonight.
Is anyone familiar with Archwing's town and/or scum games?GTKAS
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In post 3694, Bins wrote:also why did Mina die?
why isn’t keychain dying
keychain why aren’t u dying
yeahhh. this.GTKAS
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