Mini 1991: Taking Justice Into Our Own Hands (Town Win)

[Papa Zito]

I dunno, this flavor seems farfetched.

[Papa Zito]

Let's test this theory.

VOTE: Havo

[Papa Zito]

I agree, help me wagon Havo instead.

[Papa Zito]

But why, instead of having a wagon of 2 we could have a wagon of 3

Do you think it's more valuable to test someone's convictions or to wagon a random player who hasn't even posted yet?

[Papa Zito]

Also hi, hello, hey there! Think I've only played with rb before so if anything you want to know I'll be here all day

What is your alignment?

[Papa Zito]

I'm down for the self-hammer

VOTE: Havo

Oh yeah, well I won’t self hammer.

You know, goes against my win condition and all.

But you hate Day 1s and want to get to Night 1 to get the game rolling.

[Papa Zito]

Hello! It feels good to be back.

VOTE:FITZ

for now

Since it’s one of the few names I actually recognize.

Also what, it’s 7 to lynch? It’s been a while

xcuse me you seem to be ignoring the most excellent Havo wagon plz explain

[Papa Zito]

You have to admire his confidence

[Papa Zito]

Hello reading up brb

[Papa Zito]

There's no way all these newbies are newbies good lord who am I playing with.

VOTE: Cedric

[Papa Zito]

Oh hey Cedrick how's it going

[Papa Zito]

I like when you call me Papa.

For now I'm content to wait and see what Lexa does with the huge ass wagon on her (?).

Mumble is just a ball of snark and I don't really have a read on him one way or another.

[Papa Zito]

UNVOTE:

whyzat

[Papa Zito]

Just a coincidence that her giant wall led her to hop on the largest opposing wagon amirite

[Papa Zito]

UNVOTE:

whyzat

I thought her reads post was worth not being at L-2.

what was your favorite part

[Papa Zito]

She made a bunch of references to posts without links or quotes so it's gonna take me time to parse. I did enjoy my color, I've been campaigning for a similar color for the chat mods for ages now.

[Papa Zito]

Nah my dude I'm having way too much for fun that.

[Papa Zito]

Papa zito I don't think you are actually having fun in this game from reading your posts and behavior (getting prodded). You better start funtelling fast if that's your claim.

is this real life

did someone actually use the term "funtelling"

holy hell

[Papa Zito]

I read through Lexa's giant wall with context.

In other news I could use some friends with me on this wagon.

[Papa Zito]

In other news I could use some friends with me on this wagon.

Could you explain your reasons for voting Cedrick?

Do you see any reason why I shouldn't vote Cedrick?

[Papa Zito]

I think he's got the best chance to flip scum atm.

You should vote him too!

[Papa Zito]

4 straight posts with so many words and so little content

Sometimes it's just that easy.

[Papa Zito]

Eddie Cane replaces numberQ

Everyone give him a warm welcome.

*golf clap*

I want to spark some debate, get people stirred up. And I want to see how people interact with the wagon.

Right now we've got:
fitz
Zito
Lexa
numberQ (me)
Awoo
Riggs

on the wagon

oh hey, we are at L-1, unless I missed an unvote.

WE'RE AT L-1, FOLKS

What do you think of the people who jumped on your wagon, Havo?

if havo flips red so is this slot

I love it.

[Papa Zito]

zito, what's your lexa read rn? scum, right? would you do that if cedrick won't happen? not that it won't but if it ends up busting.

I think Lexa is town actually.

One of the reasons I've been fairly quiet this game thus far is I don't have a good handle on how any these players think at all so I wanted to let them roam free so to speak and see how they do things without me influencing anyone in any way. Lexa is a good example of this. I think I have a pretty good handle on how she (still ?) works. For example, her latest post:

Something can be inherently NAI (havo's principle) while being more probably town motivated (scum avoidance of policy Lynch). Straight forward

The obvious contradiction here is that if something is inherently NAI then it simply can't be town motivated otherwise it's not inherently NAI. I've seen her throw a lot of jargon around incorrectly and so I've spent some time parsing if it's misleading or mistaking and I think it's the latter. Lexa's posting doesn't strike me as a player attempting to lead others astray or mask intentions, rather someone who is fairly new to the game (or our variation of it) and is just aggressively naive.

So to answer your question, I'd only vote her to avoid a no lynch at deadline but would vastly prefer a Cedrick lynch at this point. I'd also happily compromise on a riggs lynch, you've gone and shone a spotlight on that slot that I was hoping would stay in the shadows and hang itself but oh well.

[Papa Zito]

Like I mentioned before I did go back in depth and go through the Lexa walls and look up the related posts to see the context. I disagreed with a lot of what he had to say. The Havo disclaimer is talked about in a giant paragraph there, for example, and I've already discussed that one. Here's another example:

fitz 55 seems fine on the surface but that's kind of the problem I have with it, very surface level reasoning. Seems more interested in pointing out things to use as ammunition rather than thinking about why that thing exists. Note to check future posts for this degree of thinking.

The context:

Your [Lexa's] post to Havo seemed to imply the town attitude of not rushing to end D1 so that we have more to look over. All the while you are supporting (and still are) his rather quick wagon. Which is on the verge (L-1 or 2?) of bringing D1 to an early end.

So it seems to me you are more interested in the negative...quick end of D1 then the alternative good situation you question Havo about.

I disagree that this is "surface level reasoning", fitz is pretty clearly looking at motivations here and pushing a seeming contradiction. Especially given the timing (super early day 1) this demonstrates that fitz is reading carefully and attempting to ferret out alignments. I also don't see how this post is "ammunition" when he doesn't pursue the point later. So when I read stuff like this or the Havo thing I have to ask myself if this is a scum Lexa attempting to score points or a town Lexa doing his best but not especially good at the game. At this point I'm leaning the latter.

That said I can see him being scum. Continuing that same example:

Hi fitz

what are you uncertain of?

Your post to Havo seemed to imply the town attitude of not rushing to end D1 so that we have more to look over. All the while you are supporting (and still are) his rather quick wagon. Which is on the verge (L-1 or 2?) of bringing D1 to an early end.

So it seems to me you are more interested in the negative...quick end of D1 then the alternative good situation you question Havo about.

Fair interpretation. It's much simpler though. Wagons are good. Discussion is good. Interactions are better.

If fitz's post was a "fair interpretation" at the time (post 56) one wonders why it's no longer a "fair interpretation" but instead "surface level reasoning" and "ammunition" a few RL days later (post 303). In my experience internal consistency isn't always a town trait, and I don't see Lexa actually attempting to push fitz in any way so I don't

think

that's scum motivated but it certainly could be.

That's probably way more words than you wanted oh well.

[Papa Zito]

i don't agree on cedrick read

rb when you get some time I'd like to know why you think Cedrick is town.

[Papa Zito]

This is gonna be one of those games.

[Papa Zito]

man papa, i really hope you are scum.

It's tough being a useless piece of shit but I get by.

[Papa Zito]

rofl

[Papa Zito]

what the actual fuck

[Papa Zito]

hmm

VOTE: northsidegal

nope

[Papa Zito]

I really don't know what to make of these claims. They make 0 sense for either alignment. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Papa Zito]

what do you make of fitz having a literal clone of my reads list?

I think I'd take that as a good sign that someone is reading the game the same way you are so they're probably town you can work with.

[Papa Zito]

Remain calm.

[Papa Zito]

but im pretty sure northside is scum

thanks 4 reading

I don't see it so I'd be interested in hearing your take.

She can't be sure and she's full of shit. Look at that claim exchange...Mumble's claim looks totally genuine whereas Lexa knows she's history if she doesn't do the same. Smh...

Lexa needs more votes.

hmm

@Lexa why did you claim there? You say you don't believe his claim which is fine but why did you claim when you did?

[Papa Zito]

My issue with both claims is they were done at L-2 with no players expressing intent to move to either wagon, forget about hammering, so the timing for both just makes no sense. It makes it hard for me to read either claim as "genuine" when they were completely unnecessary you know?

[Papa Zito]

I missed that I suppose. Even so without the vote cast and without someone declaring intent it's premature.

[Papa Zito]

@Lexa why did you claim there? You say you don't believe his claim which is fine but why did you claim when you did?

In the moment, honestly as a fuck you to mumbles

Everything else is post-hoc justification

I'm confused how that's at all a fuck you to mumbles though? Like I'm missing how the two are related or can't coexist.

[Papa Zito]

Goddamn Mumble why are you so mad all the time lol.

Papa Zito...you think Cedrick is scum.

Look how hard he is defending Lexa.

I'd vote Cedrick if I thought that would fly today but I'm more confident in Lexa. Vote Lexa today and if I'm here tomorrow I'll support your Cedrick wagon.

I hear you but I'm suuuuuper wary about looking for pairings prior to flips. I think Cedrick is p scummy independent of anyone else.

I'm going to iso Lexa again and see if this claim changes anything.

[Papa Zito]

I love this game.

[Papa Zito]

It’s completely reasonable to think that a doctor and watcher can’t be in the game together.

It is? Help me out here. Use small words, I'm an idiot.

[Papa Zito]

Oh ho you got me

[Papa Zito]

fitz you're spending a lot of energy on a slot that you've called scum a couple times now but your vote hasn't moved and that gives me what the experts call "the heebie jeebies"

[Papa Zito]

Well honestly Cedrick I'm not nearly as religious about this idea of not lynching claimed PRs day 1 as you are. MS is littered with examples of games where scum claimed a PR day 1 and got lynched anyway. I don't find that particular argument compelling at all.

[Papa Zito]

skldfj;alskdjf ;asldkjf sdlakfj

[Papa Zito]

Id rather do northsidegal

yes but is she scum

 I’m playing the most intelligent out of everyone.

lol

[Papa Zito]

eddie i'm not power towning for 14 day cycles lol

The way you've disappeared recently is really concerning.

[Papa Zito]

Here's where I'm at.

1.

Alexcellent

has a grand total of 10 posts this game and 0 engagement. He's also currently not voting anyone. I don't know how we're supposed to get a read on a slot that isn't playing.
2. People have praised

Awoo

's early case on Q and I thought it was terrible. I just think a lot of what he points out isn't really alignment relevant or interesting and I'm struggling to figure out how to sort him.
3.

Cedrick

remains my top scumspect but what gives me pause isn't the things he's saying but how he's saying them. He's (1) remaining engaged with the game despite fitz's tunnel when it'd be far easier to mellow out and (2) he seems utterly convicted about what he's saying even if the majority of it is batshit insane.
4. I remain completely underwhelmed by

Riggs

who was my pocket scumspect from early on but like Alexcellent I don't have very much to determine if this is a scumslot or just someone who doesn't really want to play the game. The main difference between the two is that Alex at least shows some depth in his few posts while Riggs is a giant vortex of suck.
5. I used

Havo

to kill RVS early with his goofy declarative statement and after a flurry of posts defending himself he's done basically nothing. It makes me extremely wary because this looks like classic scum UTR behavior; no need to make waves while the town is screaming at each other over Lexa/Cedrick.
6. Speaking of,

Lexa

's gonzo claim and subsequent awful explanation for it combined with a lot of bad posting and recent UTR behavior make me think the others are right about this slot and I'm sorely tempted to move here, if nothing else than to remove a player I want nowhere near lylo and restore some sanity to the game.
7.

Mumble

and

rb

both occupy similar spots in my head where they "feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel" townish but by god they aren't trying very hard are they and I have this little voice in the back of my head (among the others) whispering to me that they're doing it on purpose to avoid detection.

In other words I really honestly and truly don't know where to go here because if I could firebomb most of the playerlist rn I would happily do so

[Papa Zito]

he seems utterly convicted about what he's saying even if the majority of it is batshit insane.

Literally nothing I’ve said is batshit insane.

I’m playing smart. Letting mafia resolve the PR claims is smart.

See this is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. It's like you're on this damn holy crusade and only you can see the light while the rest of us blunder around slamming our shins on coffee tables like idiots. Do scum play with/fake this level of conviction? I don't know it's really weird????

Making assumptions about what the Mafia will do when you don't know who they are or the setup falls firmly outside the "playing smart" category, sorry bud. There's nothing stopping them from letting a couple of townies with super shaky claims and really weak dayplay live to cause havoc later in the game, that shit is solid gold in mylo. But the last thing I'm gonna do is get in a theory argument with a zealot so whoooooosh pretend I didn't say anything.

@Zito

- you gave two decent reasons why Cedrick might be town, so it begs the question why exactly does he remain your top scumspect? I don't believe you've ever properly explained this read.

I'm gonna guess your eyes have glazed over a bit on the fitz vs Cedrick stuff but if you actually go back and read it everything fitz posts is right and everything Cedrick posts is wrong. Like if you took the two of them and wrapped them in copper wire you could probably power your house. I haven't stepped into that convo because well frankly I don't need to, fitz is fine but ffs how can someone be that wrong and town simultaneously?

Now fitz is going to fake a v/la.

I mean what is this. Come on.


I guess what I was really trying to communicate with that post is that I have very few townreads and also while I have fairly strong feelings on possible red flips I'm still somewhat torn for reasons stated.

[Papa Zito]

Do we really want to gamble on potentially losing a doctor or a watcher?

I guess I put less value into PRs than you do? Or more value in behavior? Or pixie dust?

I really don't want to get in a theory debate during a game. :/

If we lynch based purely on play. Hands down mumble is scummier yet more people town read mumble. Why?

He’s not enguaged. He’s not scum hunting. He attacked somebody for omgus which isn’t even scummy. He got agressive for a few posts when he didn’t really need to so it looked fake, then he vanished and hasn’t done anything since he has been under pressure. He comes back and claims Pr but still has done nothing.

I don’t see how anyone can tr that

He's not engaged, no, I think I mentioned that. I disagree with the rest. I can't speak for others but personally I saw what he was trying to accomplish and didn't really have an issue with how he was going about it, thus a weak townread.

[Papa Zito]

help

[Papa Zito]

eff

VOTE: riggs

[Papa Zito]

I’d really love to hear how you spin his actions in a town light.

my ironymeter just exploded

[Papa Zito]

don't do this to me

[Papa Zito]

ffs

VOTE: Cedrick

[Papa Zito]

Ok I needed this page thank you all

[Papa Zito]

i feel unappreciated

I'm not unhappy with you so you don't go on The List.

[Papa Zito]

i feel unappreciated

I'm not unhappy with you so you don't go on The List.

you're unhappy with a lot of people

ye

2. People have praised Awoo's early case on Q and I thought it was terrible. I just think a lot of what he points out isn't really alignment relevant or interesting and I'm struggling to figure out how to sort him.

they are terrible cases, but they're more likely to come from town imo. it feels genuine. genuinely stupid, but genuine.

This is where I'm leaning, which is why I haven't really pushed there, but I haven't really come up with a good way to pin this down one way or another. Regardless he's not a priority for today.

[Papa Zito]

That sounds like a terrible movie.

[Papa Zito]

the vast majority of the pressure is from Zito and Fitz?

Hmm. So is that the team? You/Zito/fitz?

Interesting. I’ll sleep on that one.

I can't

[Papa Zito]

oh jfc I'm playing with Mulch non o non onon onononon

[Papa Zito]

400 posts and 2 days later I go back and reevaluate the slot and you're acting like it came as a knee jerk follow up to his claim

Garbage

That's not what he said at all.

Let's solve this mystery today.


VOTE: Lexa

[Papa Zito]

L
He should have a gut fucking reason for it


Instead apparently it’s this wall of a post well thought out logical reason???

It's exactly what he said are you fucked

I am so fucked. I'm playing with Mulch.

That aside, it's not what he posted. What he said was that you had an instant, incredibly emotional knee-jerk reaction to Mumble's claim.

Odd night watcher fuck off and vote the fake claim

Don't give a shot about counterclaim you're just lying

Yeah we'll see how dumb it is when you die

Then later in 798 and you wrote this:

So, problems I have with this claim. To quote mastina from my first game on this site (ironically in reference to my own fakeclaim in that game), evaluate the claim or lie on mindset, circumstance, and intention. How did the claim come about? As a reaction to being put in range of a lynch. What are the circumstances around the claim? Used in accessory to continuing an aggro push on me and to state a TR on eddie. How convenient is the claim? The claim is doctor in a set up without cops.
So we have Mumble's coming up with a claim that is in all likelihood the single claim most likely to guarantee survival and to dissipate the wagon on him (Cedrick, Guy_Named_Riggs, Havo, Lexa, rb), the claim is made as a direct response to being made an equal wagon to the player who he's been targeting all day at L-2, and the claim is used as a base to continue to push on that target. In that moment every single red flag goes up here. The mindset is self-preservation, the circumstance is convenience of claim, and the intention is to get someone else to die.

What he's saying is that there's no way you were thinking all this at the time you made those emotional posts. Otherwise you'd have said those things right? You were, at the time, reacting purely to the claim and how it apparently contradicts your own role (which is something I honestly still don't get) but in this post you're trying to add additional justifications to bolster your case and he's saying you look scummy for doing so.

I don't think this is all that hard to understand so I find your reaction scummy.

[Papa Zito]

it's still bullshit though since it assumes that it's not both possible to have a knee jerk gut reaction (and gut reactions are based in...what?) and then later go through it and lay out your thought process as to why you're later reading something the same

Well that's certainly something he can address.


Mastina was also my first IC on this site.

My condolences.

[Papa Zito]

UNVOTE: Lexa

Every time I read something I get more unhappy. Today's edition is Mumbles' blatant wagon-hopping.

VOTE: Cedrick

VOTE: Lexa

Preferred lynch obvs.

Like, I get if you're a town PR, especially a Doc, you want to lie low and hit the middle of the pack on everyone's readlists. Totally fair and tbh I thought, looking back at Mumble's play after he claimed, that was maybe what was going on. But once someone's outed they may as well play hard for the extremely short time they've got left in the game and yet here we are. Mumble isn't doing anything in this game at all but working towards self-preservation. It doesn't compute. But a lot doesn't compute in this game so zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

My other problem is deadline looms.


I'll reread this mess at lunch.

[Papa Zito]

Eddie I need a dose of sanity.

Read Mumble's post-claim iso and tell me that's town?

[Papa Zito]

mumble is scummy but is town, trust me

why in god's name would I trust you

[Papa Zito]

Lord have mercy the meta.

I'm so tempted rb you have no idea.

[Papa Zito]

mumble is scummy but is town, trust me

why in god's name would I trust you

I’ve played with mumble before and am tunneling scum?

welp I'm sold

Let's try a different path. Give me an in-depth read on my slot. You said you're townreading me, why. Bonus points if you only use one post to explain.

[Papa Zito]

something something tone something

Ok maybe I'm being too subtle, I'm trying to sort you here because your predecessor was a pet rock and your machinegun posting makes it difficult for me to follow thought processes. So please give me something concrete.

[Papa Zito]

Hey, Dillweed...I've claimed and am likely dead tonight...my investment has kinda been shot.

If that's all it takes to kill your motivation you should probably find a different game to play. Head over to Mishmash, I'm sure you can start up a rollicking good Chutes and Ladders or something more your speed?

@Mod

I need bullets. You need $$. PM me your Paypal info and let's make this happen.

[Papa Zito]

Man I was hoping I'd be dead.

I've started the slow process of a re-read. Noted this post:

@northsidesegal I don't think I understand the position where your vote on me is coming from so I'm going to ignore that for now

What are your thoughts on users: fitz and riggs, specifically the vote to content pattern of the former and the tone of post #26 for the latter

i'd appreciate if you could explain

your

thoughts on those people first, because you haven't really said anything about either so far and i don't want to just give you my thoughts for you to just agree with or say that that's what you were thinking.

Sure, haven't said anything about them so far because they're on my radar for trying to sort them!

With respect to Riggs I'm trying to determine if his entrance was genuine or not. His #26 seems towny on the surface from a tonal level but it's also the kind of vanilla entrance I've seen scum do practically every game; I'm trying to decide if there's more to read below the surface or not which is why I wanted your thoughts, to see if I was the only one it concerned.

Fitz is on my radar for his curious mode of engagement, entering with the naked RVS vote into the naked vote on me, yet responding to dialogue with me fairly quickly. Usually I'm familiar with people taking one tack or the other, dropping naked votes to pressure people without giving them much to rebut against, probing for reactions, or engaging with them directly to try and suss out their alignment. I don't often see the pressure voting tack dropped so quickly and so I'm wondering if there's more to that pattern. In general nothing he's said has been specifically alignment indicative but his analysis of me was fairly surface level which could be an indicator of scum if he uses future surface level analysis to push for a lynch.

I think this post points to nsg, Riggs(Fissure) and Fitz as all being town. I don't think partners get into a fight this early, and Lexa is throwing shade at the other two.

[Papa Zito]

Havo I'll look over your post tonight when I can bounce around to all those post numbers.

[Papa Zito]

Just put [ post ] # [ /post ]

So like 1327 is your post.

[Papa Zito]

@Mod:

I'm going to be LA from 2/25-3/1 on a business trip.

Also plz update the thread title >_>

V/LA acknowledged. I was going to ask that you try to make pop ins, but then I realized that February only has 28 days so that's only a 4 day V/LA. Good luck with your business trip.
Thanks for reminding me to change the title.

[Papa Zito]

Oh Eddie why, I thought we were bros.

VOTE: Eddie Cane

I dunno what the vc is

[Papa Zito]

Eddie I hope you don't leave, you're a fun dude.

[Papa Zito]

Why was eddie doing the nightkill

Interesting

He was pretty widely townread I think.

[Papa Zito]

Oh my god you two.

The egos are ridiculous

[Papa Zito]

This used to be my queue, back when I was a listmod.

And I enjoy Solving The Puzzle. In my old age I'm appreciating the core game more and more.

[Papa Zito]

Ty rb ur a trooper

[Papa Zito]

wondering how much of eddie's spew we can actually trust as not faked.

He's still playing the game.

[Papa Zito]

wondering how much of eddie's spew we can actually trust as not faked.

He's still playing the game.

you can still answer my question :_(

? Did I miss a question somewhere?

[Papa Zito]

wondering how much of eddie's spew we can actually trust as not faked.

He's still playing the game.

you can still answer my question :_(

? Did I miss a question somewhere?

The reason you opted to /in for this

1480!

[Papa Zito]

Hello from sunny Dallas.

Love the vig shot.

I'm at a conference so most of my day I'll be completely away from a computer. Hotel Wifi is predictably bleh. It was a 6 hour drive here so I'm pretty wiped but I'll do my best to muster up enough energy to give this a thorough look.

[Papa Zito]

What do you guys think of a massclaim at this point?

[Papa Zito]

If you guys want to lynch me today that's fine, it'll save me the trouble of doing a ton of work on this. Please make plans for tomorrow before you do though.

[Papa Zito]

I honestly don't think people ever go back and read dead townie isos.

[Papa Zito]

I'm at a conference. See that vla thingy? Don't tell me you missed the vla thingy.

I don't know how you kids phonepost all the time this sucks.

[Papa Zito]

Banned for spam.

[Papa Zito]

Ahaha

[Papa Zito]

I'm not claiming.

I'll do a deep dive on things at lunch.

[Papa Zito]

The "dodge" was to buy me more time to sort fissure.

First I went back and reviewed numberQ.

[Papa Zito]

gdi why did that submit I'm in the middle of typing notes

[Papa Zito]

Anyway first I went back and reviewed numberQ.
- His early game before he settled in consisted of what kids these days are calling "LAMIST". See 9, 45, 46.
- After he got comfortable he started going after Lexa. First instance in 72, then 86, 97, 101 culimating in a vote at 218.

The purpose of doing this is of course to show a progression onto Lexa, then a big post and vote to point to if/when Lexa flips later, thus gaining cred. Because of this I don't think he'd be bussing any other partners, I think he'd be pushing on townies. He only had two posts after the Lexa vote to really mine, but there's some content there.

1. In 260, he takes 2 shots at Luca. There's also a very very minor dig at Riggs but I don't think it's enough to worry much about.
2. In 261 he takes several potshots at fitz.

I think those two were his chosen targets moving forward in the game. Fitz being the watcher that caught Eddie gives weight to removing Luca from our scumpool.


I'm going to review Eddie tonight.

[Papa Zito]

taking a look at the last page I don't think I will vote mr zito~

Let's just do this before bed
VOTE: Luca

I'll be here in the am have fun doing whatever it is you're doing.

Can you help me understand these plz. Because my only real post of importance last page suggested we

don't

lynch Luca.

[Papa Zito]

Sure in theory but with guaranteed no cops in the setup what would be the point?

[Papa Zito]

Oh that's true, a mafia gunsmith could sniff out our vig as well. With two flipped goons a one-shot mafia power of some sort could make sense.

[Papa Zito]

I actually ended up diving into Riggs/fissure and didn't come away with anything definitive. My gut tells me to be suspicious due to his high energy Day 1 and subsequent lack of anything but the whole town is coasting right now so I'm not sure if that's really indicative of anything.

I'll remind you that my lynch isn't going to end the game so the rest of you should still be playing since you're going to be here tomorrow.

[Papa Zito]

I don't think 260 and 261 were aimed at rb, no. Like I said I think he was preparing to go after you and Luca next.

I plan on looking at Eddie at lunch. I think figuring out townies is equally valuable to figuring out scum. I have no idea who the last scum player is.

You should probably be asking yourself why suddenly the burden of doing this has fallen squarely on me in a game featuring 7 living players.

[Papa Zito]

While he was bussing Lexa (purely using meta arguments), Eddie went toe-to-toe with Luca, Cedrick, fitz and to a lesser extent rb. He also happily joined the Riggs/Fissure wagon, another indication that I'm just being paranoid about that slot.

I'm going to look at Havo tonight. Havo is conspicuously absent from both Q and Eddie's interactions.

[Papa Zito]

I have no idea what that means.

[Papa Zito]

Who did you protect last night Maki?

[Papa Zito]

Ah that's what that meant, ok.

[Papa Zito]

I don't have time to go in depth on this, but here was rb's reaction to the claims:

I really don't know what to make of these claims. They make 0 sense for either alignment. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

doctor and watcher can both be scum

im too tired to read this game properly

but im pretty sure northside is scum

thanks 4 reading

As Nurse I would imagine rb would strongly believe Mumbles. Instead he says he claim could be coming from scum.

Later:

i had a shadow vote on you/lexa/mumble

it's not that tunneling is better, stop being fucking obtuse

it's the way he gives up on his read that's bad

you're not this dumb as town eddie

(this was directed at Eddie) Why include Mumble there if he's Mumble's backup? I have serious doubts, even without getting into setup spec.

I'll look more into this later.

[Papa Zito]

despite how this was a perfect town game, i am happy with my play. i dont think i made any errors at all perhaps besides not shoving a lynch on gnr before mulch subbed in, but even then that wouldve been scummy. i had fun here surprisingly, good game all.

You should be happy, you were playing really well.

[Papa Zito]

wait

Cedrick wasn't the vig shot


whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

[Papa Zito]

Hello Mumble. I didn't think you were!