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Do you think it's more valuable to test someone's convictions or to wagon a random player who hasn't even posted yet?In post 11, numberQ wrote:But why, instead of having a wagon of 2 we could have a wagon of 3KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.- Papa Zito
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What is your alignment?In post 17, Lexa wrote:Also hi, hello, hey there! Think I've only played with rb before so if anything you want to know I'll be here all dayKappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.- Papa Zito
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But you hate Day 1s and want to get to Night 1 to get the game rolling.In post 19, Havo wrote:Oh yeah, well I won’t self hammer.
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xcuse me you seem to be ignoring the most excellent Havo wagon plz explainIn post 26, Guy_Named_Riggs wrote:Hello! It feels good to be back.
VOTE:FITZfor now
Since it’s one of the few names I actually recognize.
Also what, it’s 7 to lynch? It’s been a whileKappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.- Papa Zito
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is this real lifeIn post 319, Awoo wrote:Papa zito I don't think you are actually having fun in this game from reading your posts and behavior (getting prodded). You better start funtelling fast if that's your claim.
did someone actually use the term "funtelling"
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Do you see any reason why I shouldn't vote Cedrick?In post 336, havingfitz wrote:
Could you explain your reasons for voting Cedrick?In post 334, Papa Zito wrote:In other news I could use some friends with me on this wagon.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.- Papa Zito
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In post 351, Beefster wrote:Eddie Cane replaces numberQ
Everyone give him a warm welcome.
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I love it.In post 366, Eddie Cane wrote:
if havo flips red so is this slotIn post 45, numberQ wrote:I want to spark some debate, get people stirred up. And I want to see how people interact with the wagon.
Right now we've got:
fitz
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Lexa
numberQ (me)
Awoo
Riggs
on the wagon
oh hey, we are at L-1, unless I missed an unvote.
WE'RE AT L-1, FOLKS
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I think Lexa is town actually.In post 395, Eddie Cane wrote:zito, what's your lexa read rn? scum, right? would you do that if cedrick won't happen? not that it won't but if it ends up busting.
One of the reasons I've been fairly quiet this game thus far is I don't have a good handle on how any these players think at all so I wanted to let them roam free so to speak and see how they do things without me influencing anyone in any way. Lexa is a good example of this. I think I have a pretty good handle on how she (still ?) works. For example, her latest post:
The obvious contradiction here is that if something is inherently NAI then it simply can't be town motivated otherwise it's not inherently NAI. I've seen her throw a lot of jargon around incorrectly and so I've spent some time parsing if it's misleading or mistaking and I think it's the latter. Lexa's posting doesn't strike me as a player attempting to lead others astray or mask intentions, rather someone who is fairly new to the game (or our variation of it) and is just aggressively naive.In post 411, Lexa wrote:Something can be inherently NAI (havo's principle) while being more probably town motivated (scum avoidance of policy Lynch). Straight forward
So to answer your question, I'd only vote her to avoid a no lynch at deadline but would vastly prefer a Cedrick lynch at this point. I'd also happily compromise on a riggs lynch, you've gone and shone a spotlight on that slot that I was hoping would stay in the shadows and hang itself but oh well.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.- Papa Zito
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Like I mentioned before I did go back in depth and go through the Lexa walls and look up the related posts to see the context. I disagreed with a lot of what he had to say. The Havo disclaimer is talked about in a giant paragraph there, for example, and I've already discussed that one. Here's another example:
The context:In post 303, Lexa wrote:fitz 55 seems fine on the surface but that's kind of the problem I have with it, very surface level reasoning. Seems more interested in pointing out things to use as ammunition rather than thinking about why that thing exists. Note to check future posts for this degree of thinking.
I disagree that this is "surface level reasoning", fitz is pretty clearly looking at motivations here and pushing a seeming contradiction. Especially given the timing (super early day 1) this demonstrates that fitz is reading carefully and attempting to ferret out alignments. I also don't see how this post is "ammunition" when he doesn't pursue the point later. So when I read stuff like this or the Havo thing I have to ask myself if this is a scum Lexa attempting to score points or a town Lexa doing his best but not especially good at the game. At this point I'm leaning the latter.In post 55, havingfitz wrote:Your [Lexa's] post to Havo seemed to imply the town attitude of not rushing to end D1 so that we have more to look over. All the while you are supporting (and still are) his rather quick wagon. Which is on the verge (L-1 or 2?) of bringing D1 to an early end.
So it seems to me you are more interested in the negative...quick end of D1 then the alternative good situation you question Havo about.
That said I can see him being scum. Continuing that same example:
If fitz's post was a "fair interpretation" at the time (post 56) one wonders why it's no longer a "fair interpretation" but instead "surface level reasoning" and "ammunition" a few RL days later (post 303). In my experience internal consistency isn't always a town trait, and I don't see Lexa actually attempting to push fitz in any way so I don'tIn post 56, Lexa wrote:
Fair interpretation. It's much simpler though. Wagons are good. Discussion is good. Interactions are better.In post 55, havingfitz wrote:Your post to Havo seemed to imply the town attitude of not rushing to end D1 so that we have more to look over. All the while you are supporting (and still are) his rather quick wagon. Which is on the verge (L-1 or 2?) of bringing D1 to an early end.
So it seems to me you are more interested in the negative...quick end of D1 then the alternative good situation you question Havo about.thinkthat's scum motivated but it certainly could be.
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rb when you get some time I'd like to know why you think Cedrick is town.In post 425, rb wrote:i don't agree on cedrick readKappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.- Papa Zito
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It's tough being a useless piece of shit but I get by.In post 456, Cedrick wrote:man papa, i really hope you are scum.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.- Papa Zito
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I think I'd take that as a good sign that someone is reading the game the same way you are so they're probably town you can work with.In post 510, Eddie Cane wrote:what do you make of fitz having a literal clone of my reads list?KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.- Papa Zito
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I don't see it so I'd be interested in hearing your take.
hmmIn post 524, havingfitz wrote:She can't be sure and she's full of shit. Look at that claim exchange...Mumble's claim looks totally genuine whereas Lexa knows she's history if she doesn't do the same. Smh...
Lexa needs more votes.
@Lexa why did you claim there? You say you don't believe his claim which is fine but why did you claim when you did?KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.- Papa Zito
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My issue with both claims is they were done at L-2 with no players expressing intent to move to either wagon, forget about hammering, so the timing for both just makes no sense. It makes it hard for me to read either claim as "genuine" when they were completely unnecessary you know?KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.- Papa Zito
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I'm confused how that's at all a fuck you to mumbles though? Like I'm missing how the two are related or can't coexist.In post 535, Lexa wrote:
In the moment, honestly as a fuck you to mumblesIn post 528, Papa Zito wrote: @Lexa why did you claim there? You say you don't believe his claim which is fine but why did you claim when you did?
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Goddamn Mumble why are you so mad all the time lol.
I hear you but I'm suuuuuper wary about looking for pairings prior to flips. I think Cedrick is p scummy independent of anyone else.In post 542, havingfitz wrote:Papa Zito...you think Cedrick is scum.
Look how hard he is defending Lexa.
I'd vote Cedrick if I thought that would fly today but I'm more confident in Lexa. Vote Lexa today and if I'm here tomorrow I'll support your Cedrick wagon.
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It is? Help me out here. Use small words, I'm an idiot.In post 559, Cedrick wrote:It’s completely reasonable to think that a doctor and watcher can’t be in the game together.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.- Papa Zito
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Well honestly Cedrick I'm not nearly as religious about this idea of not lynching claimed PRs day 1 as you are. MS is littered with examples of games where scum claimed a PR day 1 and got lynched anyway. I don't find that particular argument compelling at all.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.- Papa Zito
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The way you've disappeared recently is really concerning.In post 658, Lexa wrote:eddie i'm not power towning for 14 day cycles lolKappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.- Papa Zito
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Here's where I'm at.
1.Alexcellenthas a grand total of 10 posts this game and 0 engagement. He's also currently not voting anyone. I don't know how we're supposed to get a read on a slot that isn't playing.
2. People have praisedAwoo's early case on Q and I thought it was terrible. I just think a lot of what he points out isn't really alignment relevant or interesting and I'm struggling to figure out how to sort him.
3.Cedrickremains my top scumspect but what gives me pause isn't the things he's saying but how he's saying them. He's (1) remaining engaged with the game despite fitz's tunnel when it'd be far easier to mellow out and (2) he seems utterly convicted about what he's saying even if the majority of it is batshit insane.
4. I remain completely underwhelmed byRiggswho was my pocket scumspect from early on but like Alexcellent I don't have very much to determine if this is a scumslot or just someone who doesn't really want to play the game. The main difference between the two is that Alex at least shows some depth in his few posts while Riggs is a giant vortex of suck.
5. I usedHavoto kill RVS early with his goofy declarative statement and after a flurry of posts defending himself he's done basically nothing. It makes me extremely wary because this looks like classic scum UTR behavior; no need to make waves while the town is screaming at each other over Lexa/Cedrick.
6. Speaking of,Lexa's gonzo claim and subsequent awful explanation for it combined with a lot of bad posting and recent UTR behavior make me think the others are right about this slot and I'm sorely tempted to move here, if nothing else than to remove a player I want nowhere near lylo and restore some sanity to the game.
7.Mumbleandrbboth occupy similar spots in my head where they "feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel" townish but by god they aren't trying very hard are they and I have this little voice in the back of my head (among the others) whispering to me that they're doing it on purpose to avoid detection.
In other words I really honestly and truly don't know where to go here because if I could firebomb most of the playerlist rn I would happily do soKappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.- Papa Zito
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See this is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. It's like you're on this damn holy crusade and only you can see the light while the rest of us blunder around slamming our shins on coffee tables like idiots. Do scum play with/fake this level of conviction? I don't know it's really weird????In post 690, Cedrick wrote:
Literally nothing I’ve said is batshit insane.In post 687, Papa Zito wrote:he seems utterly convicted about what he's saying even if the majority of it is batshit insane.
I’m playing smart. Letting mafia resolve the PR claims is smart.
Making assumptions about what the Mafia will do when you don't know who they are or the setup falls firmly outside the "playing smart" category, sorry bud. There's nothing stopping them from letting a couple of townies with super shaky claims and really weak dayplay live to cause havoc later in the game, that shit is solid gold in mylo. But the last thing I'm gonna do is get in a theory argument with a zealot so whoooooosh pretend I didn't say anything.
I'm gonna guess your eyes have glazed over a bit on the fitz vs Cedrick stuff but if you actually go back and read it everything fitz posts is right and everything Cedrick posts is wrong. Like if you took the two of them and wrapped them in copper wire you could probably power your house. I haven't stepped into that convo because well frankly I don't need to, fitz is fine but ffs how can someone be that wrong and town simultaneously?In post 691, Luca Blight wrote:@Zito- you gave two decent reasons why Cedrick might be town, so it begs the question why exactly does he remain your top scumspect? I don't believe you've ever properly explained this read.
I mean what is this. Come on.In post 683, Cedrick wrote:Now fitz is going to fake a v/la.
I guess what I was really trying to communicate with that post is that I have very few townreads and also while I have fairly strong feelings on possible red flips I'm still somewhat torn for reasons stated.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.- Papa Zito
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I guess I put less value into PRs than you do? Or more value in behavior? Or pixie dust?In post 699, Cedrick wrote: Do we really want to gamble on potentially losing a doctor or a watcher?
I really don't want to get in a theory debate during a game. :/
He's not engaged, no, I think I mentioned that. I disagree with the rest. I can't speak for others but personally I saw what he was trying to accomplish and didn't really have an issue with how he was going about it, thus a weak townread.If we lynch based purely on play. Hands down mumble is scummier yet more people town read mumble. Why?
He’s not enguaged. He’s not scum hunting. He attacked somebody for omgus which isn’t even scummy. He got agressive for a few posts when he didn’t really need to so it looked fake, then he vanished and hasn’t done anything since he has been under pressure. He comes back and claims Pr but still has done nothing.
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my ironymeter just explodedIn post 735, Cedrick wrote:I’d really love to hear how you spin his actions in a town light.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.- Papa Zito
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I'm not unhappy with you so you don't go on The List.In post 777, Eddie Cane wrote: i feel unappreciatedKappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.- Papa Zito
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you're unhappy with a lot of peopleIn post 779, Papa Zito wrote:
I'm not unhappy with you so you don't go on The List.In post 777, Eddie Cane wrote: i feel unappreciated
This is where I'm leaning, which is why I haven't really pushed there, but I haven't really come up with a good way to pin this down one way or another. Regardless he's not a priority for today.In post 787, Eddie Cane wrote:
they are terrible cases, but they're more likely to come from town imo. it feels genuine. genuinely stupid, but genuine.2. People have praised Awoo's early case on Q and I thought it was terrible. I just think a lot of what he points out isn't really alignment relevant or interesting and I'm struggling to figure out how to sort him.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.- Papa Zito
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I can'tIn post 887, Cedrick wrote:
Hmm. So is that the team? You/Zito/fitz?In post 883, Eddie Cane wrote:the vast majority of the pressure is from Zito and Fitz?
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