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Game-breaking analysis right here.In post 21, Varsoon wrote:I think it's really important that we try to keep the scum from ending up as leaders
VOTE: VarsoonHow do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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No, I voted you because it looks like you're saying very obvious things. Only mafia say stuff like that to filler and look busy.In post 26, Varsoon wrote:
It's almost as if I insinuated you were scum and that I couldn't trust you as our leader AND that your anime gimmick is really lame--did you take that all to heart and get so peeved you had to come back swatting?In post 23, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Game-breaking analysis right here.In post 21, Varsoon wrote:I think it's really important that we try to keep the scum from ending up as leaders
VOTE: Varsoon
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Agreed. It wasn't THAT bad.In post 58, Chara wrote:exactly what i was going to say, again. also to call those voting Gamma for it weak or scum. it's one, small wall. and a posting style.
i don't anything about Civ or politics Shaziro, but let's... do the embassy thing. friendly relations!
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He's referring to that he always reads me wrong in every game. But, wouldn't that make him more likely to try and read me closer?In post 88, Chara wrote:
show me you're town and i'll consider it, Almost. though that isn't really your style.In post 83, Almost50 wrote:HEAL: Almost50
No better place on the planet to host the congress. Trust me.
VOTE: Koki
One of those days I'm gonna guess your alignment right.
talk to me about Kokichi? so far i haven't seen anything particularly AI from him.How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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I've only been scum once, and I won the game easily. I've been mislynched as town a lot because some people find my antics 'scummy'In post 89, Titus wrote:
I actually agree with the Koichi vote if we remove actions of other players. You seem to imply there is a personal quirk as to why not Koichi. Why is he so easy to scumread? Can he be easy to SR and scum?In post 86, Chara wrote:blah. Titus is possibly town for this but i don't want to make a rash judgement. she can be a townread, though.
pedit: that's fair, i suppose. we are different players. applogies for bring up things in my last post.
i'm not sure who i want to host. i considered Varsoon but i don't love his Kokichi vote. though it's possible Varsoon just doesn't know Kokichi, as he's easy to scumread.
Shaziro hasn't actually done anything worth townreading, but i kind of want to anyway.
i wouldn't mind hosting. i'm not the best at mechanics but i can do well if i try.How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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Just responded. Let me know what you think. I've been right on Almost every game so far, but I'd like another opinion. You seem familiar with him.In post 94, Chara wrote:and also Kokichi. if Almost has something good i want to hear it.How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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I don't like this logic at all. Some people are confident in themselves some are not. Its NAI. I don't get how you can sort like that.In post 100, Shaziro wrote:Those who specifically want power probably shouldn't get it. In this case, that applies to world congress. I actually kind of like that Titus is being open about not thinking it's a great idea for her to have it, and her reasoning for why not is good. That said, do we really think that the World Congress person needs to be particularly mechanically minded in order to do well? If the list is posted, and we all agree on what we think would be best for town to have in, it doesn't really matter does it? So long as we make somebody we can trust to do as the majority desires, we know we don't have to worry about delegates being wasted and can just yea up the things that go in...right? Am I missing something horribly here?How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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This is a very lazy read. Are you telling me mafia partners would be that careless? There was no reason as scum we wouldn't have already talked out a plan on who to vote And why. So you saying that is a bit weird and easy to say. How come you hadn't thought it was possible dunk has experience with me and is just comfortable with me as leader? Or how come you didn't think to wait for more interaction between us two?In post 105, BuJaber wrote:Maybe koki's opener is NAI but when dunkerdoodle follows it up by voting koki for host it looks pretty suspicious to me. If it is NAI then on what basis did dunker trust koki?
Basically I'm happy voting to lynch either of those 2 because that interaction doesn't feel right to me from a town POV.How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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Ftr this is a weird thing to say. That can be left unsaid, why did you feel the need to add this? It's not like anyone would automatically think you're thinking for a scum POVIn post 105, BuJaber wrote:from a town POV.How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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It's been explained like 3 times. Have you not been reading?
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Anyway. I can see why people are voting dunk, them carelessly voting me leader is suspect, but it's possible he didn't read that he couldn't change his vote and did it as RVS thinking he could change. From my perspective, I don't think scum would just unwillingly put their vote for leader like that as I think scum have already come up with a plan on what to do. So from my point of view it's not scummy. But, I can understand why from an outside view it's weird.How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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I like Titus, Chara and Joey for town currently. I'll post more on why later. Chara when you're back can you respond to my post?How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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Also, the irony of this post is that my avatar is from a game, not anime. Had I posted an image of Alexander the Great. You wouldn't have had an issue. But, it's interesting. You never really stated why you think I'm scum. Tell me.In post 26, Varsoon wrote:It's almost as if I insinuated you were scum and that I couldn't trust you as our leader AND that your anime gimmick is really lame--did you take that all to heart and get so peeved you had to come back swatting?How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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If you found it scummy, why not explain it then? Why not explain it before now so others can understand your read?In post 121, BuJaber wrote:What makes you think I didn't consider that?
I find it scummy and I went with it. You could use the same argument with every scummy move. Are they really doing that which is obviously scummy? At some point the answer is yes. I wouldn't know unless I test the theory.
Also I did not hammer. One vote is not as final as you make it soubd. Why is it wrong to vote first based on the posts that actually exist and then continue to look at interactions between you?
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Don't like this response.In post 121, BuJaber wrote:As for the 2nd post of yours you're reading too much into it. Maybe I didn't need to say it but I did. In my mind it made it clearer exactly what I'm trying to say.How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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Is there a reason you scumread me so much? We've talked a few times how every time you're town you scumread me when I'm town. Yet you give no pause? Especially after the last game that just got endgamed. Is there something I did or didn't do in previous games?In post 131, Almost50 wrote:Anyone who votes Koki for the host from now on I'll declare war on. He's my scum partner. Don't let the evil triumph.How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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1. A lot of people voted for themselves, what makes me different except that I happened to post on the game first?In post 136, Varsoon wrote:I can not trust you, especially as leader. Why? Because you self-voted for leader IMMEDIATELY in a game where those votes can't be taken back.
I do not like the anime gimmick. Or VN Gimmick. Really, it's an avatar-posting gimmick. Why does that make you scum? It's a common distancing/fluff tactic that propels the game rhetoric into obnoxious roleplay--it does nothing to help gamesolve. As a moderator and frequent player on-site, I've seen that sort of posting reflect scum and anti-town mentalities time and time again.
2. You seem to have a bias against me because of who I am, so I would like to hear your unbias opinion. If I do this every game, what makes me scum in particular? I've played many games on this site and every game I have done this. Besides your bias (which is based off the first post in the game, and is proven NAI since I do that every game) what is the scumread?How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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I'm not sure where I bashed public mechanics at all. Can you show me?In post 136, Varsoon wrote:I do not like your retaliatory vote on me. You're actively bashing setup spec in a game with public mechanics, which is anti-town at least. Maybe it's OBVIOUS to you, but I'm working with a limited set of information. If anything, your scumflip would confirm to me that scum DON'T have knowledge of all/any of the resolutions because it's 'obvious' to you that we should keep scum for gaining that knowledge. Another big part of this is that dunkerdoodles was supporting you for leader out the gate and I voted him, but you returned to vote for me, which comes off heavily like a chainsaw, especially if you're both scum gambiting around just propelling lots of early congress votes/momentum onto your side.
And I need you to look at it from my point of view, not yours. As scum partners, why would they just vote without any thought to me? I can see what you mean from an outside view. But say you self voted for leader and he replied to you as he did to me. What would your reaction and thoughts be?How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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Why?In post 139, Gamma Emerald wrote:These seem good. I am kinda TRing you tbh.How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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No. It's because me and A50 have this talk EVERY game together. Look it up. He can also confirm this. I can link you the games. It's not self meta. It's me trying to get a read on him. If he's just doing it out of habit, or an easy excuse for a scum vote.In post 142, Varsoon wrote:Now he props up self-meta while simultaneously dishing out a "you're town" appeasement to A50.
Trash.How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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1. Then how does that warrant a vote? Or was it RVS, cause at that point of the game it was out of RVS quickly.In post 147, Almost50 wrote:
1- I'm not SRing you. I'm being overly cautious with you just in case. I would rather the host be someone I trust I can read somehow.In post 140, Kokichi Oma wrote:Is there a reason you scumread me so much? We've talked a few times how every time you're town you scumread me when I'm town. Yet you give no pause? Especially after the last game that just got endgamed. Is there something I did or didn't do in previous games?
2- I don't even know who the scum team were in that game (aside from Gamma)
2. I think Mulch posted it. You can go look.How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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I disagree with #3. Do you have experience with him or something?In post 150, Gamma Emerald wrote:
1) your reads align with mine quite a bit; mirror tellIn post 146, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Why?In post 139, Gamma Emerald wrote:These seem good. I am kinda TRing you tbh.
2) I like your posting so far
3) Varsoon's interactions with you feel like scum tunneling town rnHow do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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Link? I think his posting even if it's wrong is good. But, he could just be a good scum player.In post 155, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also I feel like Varsoon is skipping over other people's content to go after KO
it feels like his play from This Game is for pieguyn (pieguyn now goes by pienyan) with how he also tunneled drealmerz7
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KO no, this is scum!VarsoonHow do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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You said you voted me for "claiming evil" or was that a joke.In post 159, BuJaber wrote:@koki - I wasn't trying to represent what you said, I was using hammer as an analogy for something that can't be changed. That's because in your post you make it sound like my vote on you is a mistake that I can't correct. But I have plenty of time to change my mind.How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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So you're saying I'm scum because I said something NAI?In post 162, BuJaber wrote:Honestly? No it wasn't. It was in RVS but not a joke. You claimed leader of an evil organization, so I voted for you.
Then when I reread the game to see where I want to vote, I kept it on you because I thought more about dunker voting you for host and came up with the conclusions above. And I didn't notice anything in your other posts that convinces me enough to change my mind.How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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I agreeIn post 168, Nero Cain wrote:I'd be down for a Bu wagon. His argument that Koki is scummier than Dunk and that Koki's alignment will tell us about Dunk's alignment is just ridiculous.How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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Why do defensive?In post 170, BuJaber wrote:And if you want to lynch me go forth and good luck for the rest of the game.
This game is filled with veterans. New players are often discriminated against in terms of how they play. Fact of life.How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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Why? And what's your thoughts about everyone's view of us 2?In post 180, Dunkerdoodles wrote:i think bujaber is townHow do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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I agree with you on Varsoon.In post 192, Chara wrote:Kokichi is actually my best vote for town, too, based on his string of posts. i can go into detail... later. if i feel like it.
Varsoon's behaviour towards him is really not something i agree with. i don't think Kokichi's done anything to warrant it. but it does point somewhat towards a town Varsoon.
And if I'm your top town so far, vote for me as your Ultimate Supreme Leader.How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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This is the worst reasoning for voting. How would that make you vote him? If they were scum, it's likely that scum probably talked about it. Even if scum didn't talk about it, them not reading the fine print of the rules in NAI. Some people just go into the game without reading the rules of a mechanic.In post 195, brassherald wrote:
The fact that you used your vote without knowing this troubles me.In post 177, Dunkerdoodles wrote:
ohIn post 91, Venmar wrote:In post 28, brassherald wrote:@Mod For the votes for who is to host the World Congress, are those a "one and done" vote like Delegates?Yes. Once you cast your delegate(s) when voting for a host OR a resolution, you cannot take back the delegates that you have cast for the rest of that voting cycle.
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Why? When I was Daughter in that game we were in together, did I not do a good job? I know you were scum and lost, but still. No one suspected me as the Hider and I got all town. Or is there another reason you are saying this?In post 202, ActionDan wrote:Even if kochi were the Towniest town to town I wouldn't want him making any world Congress choices or decisions of any kind.
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Please tell me how I got "lucky" I correctly got 4 straight towns as Hider. I also lynched scum Day 1. I also wanted you lynched and sucessfully softed my hider targets without being suspected by your team at all. But, I want to hear why I was "lucky"In post 208, ActionDan wrote:No you got lucky. That game is expressly why I wouldn't want you in a position to make any kind of decision.How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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Well, if it's everyone's townread, they will die N1. And just because someone is a good player, doesn't mean they will be good this game or that they are even town at all.In post 214, brassherald wrote:Let me ask a general question, for the world congress host, do we want to have someone who is definitely town, or definitely a good player?How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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I don't get this at all.In post 213, Gamma Emerald wrote:So I'm gonna try to break this down
Koki lynched d1
flips scum
Indicates Dunker could have been pushing a buddy as leader
flips town
Dunker probably genuinely trusted Koki
Dunker lynched d1
flips scum
Koki either buddy pushed as leader or town framed or thought of as a leader who would be weak
flips town
absolutely nothing on Koki
So it would make sense to flip Koki first out of those two
time to see who said the opposite, they're probably scum
btw this has nothing to do with my actual lynching plans, I think Koki is town and don't really have a read on Dunker yetHow do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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It's up to you. There is no one I trust more than myself, so I voted myself. I can't speak as to what you determine to choose as a host, because it will likely be different for everyone.How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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I mean, that's not even mechanics, that's just common sense. That's like saying. "We shouldn't have mafia lead the lynches"In post 223, Varsoon wrote:
You voted me and called me out for discussing 'the obvious' when it came to the setup. Making sure everyone is on the same ground level of mechanics comprehension in a game with important public mechanics is incredibly important, but you were quick to jump down my throat for that.In post 145, Kokichi Oma wrote: I'm not sure where I bashed public mechanics at all. Can you show me?
I'm very lost on what you're trying to ask in the next two questions. Use some proper nouns.How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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And I need you to look at it from my point of view, not yours. As scum partners, why would Dunk just vote without any thought to me? I can see what you mean from an outside view. But say you self voted for leader and Dunk replied to you as he did to me. What would your reaction and thoughts be?In post 145, Kokichi Oma wrote:And I need you to look at it from my point of view, not yours. As scum partners, why would they just vote without any thought to me? I can see what you mean from an outside view. But say you self voted for leader and he replied to you as he did to me. What would your reaction and thoughts be?
@Varsoon. Better?How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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viewtopic.php?f=23&t=74405In post 234, Chara wrote:Kokichi i saw your question, i'll respond in a bit. if i forget it's just that Almost hasn't done anything to make me want to scumread him, and even voting you despite not knowing how to read you is something he could do as town.
Varsoon: take whatever i say with a grain of salt since i've never played with scum Kokichi. this weird play is completely in line with danganronpa mafia (like they really feel identical, though this time i don't have confirmation he's town), and i think everything he's done has madesensefrom the POV of someone who is Kokichi. his appeals all feel really similar as well. i might check the scumgame he mentioned, though. Kokichi, shoot me a link to that?
I got converted to Cult like Day 4, but still I was scum the other Days.How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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In post 248, Almost50 wrote:
Why these two in specific?In post 247, Shaziro wrote:ActionDan and Titus, thoughts on Ranmaru?How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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No I don't.In post 251, Titus wrote:Kochi has the most votes to lynchHow do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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This is just wrong. Because I gave reasons for scumreading you.In post 256, BuJaber wrote:@Koki - then I apologize for lumping you with the vets. I assumed you were an alt. I assume most new players to be alts. I haven't thought about why. Some just sound like they know a lot of players. If I'm defensive is because you are counterwagoning me which means either I'm getting shade thrown at me by scum or it's a case of TvT and one of us ends up dead.How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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This seems very specific for 10 pages inIn post 269, Ranmaru wrote:TOWN [Ranmaru > Chara > Joey > Marshy > Titus > Varsoon > Action Dan > Shaziro | Dunk > Almost50 > Kokichi > Gamma > Brass > Klazam > Buja > Joda > Pidgey > Assemble | Elbirn > Creature > Nero Cane] SCUMHow do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.- Kokichi Oma
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