You shouldn't claim on Day 1 if you're a plain townie

[Mr Stoofer]

Title says it all. Discuss.

::edite:: "plain townie" means just that. No role name or any flavour at all, like in a townie in a C9 game.

I think everyone would agree that if you have a role name in a themed/flavoured game, claiming this on day 1 could possibly save you from a lynch.

[Fritzler]

You need a third option on your poll that says something like "Insert comedic third option here"

[mith]

(Sorry Mr S, couldn't help myself.)

I hardly ever claim at all on day 1, but at the same time I wouldn't make the blanket statement that you should *never* claim on day 1 as a townie.

[Mr Stoofer]

I hardly ever claim at all on day 1, but at the same time I wouldn't make the blanket statement that you should *never* claim on day 1 as a townie.

In what circumstances would you claim on day 1 as a townie?

[Fritzler]

I voted for the third option: "I like tacos" was my comedic option.

[Alexander]

I believe that if you are town, your should do everything within your power not to get lynched. Getting anyone else (could-be-mafia) lynched is certainly better than lynching yourself (definitely-not-mafia). If claiming has any chance of saving your life, do it. However, do not directly lie, as it only makes things worse.

[SpeedyKQ]

You could probably invent a scenario where it is wrong, but I think pro-town players should generally always claim when bandwagonned, regardless of the role or the day. If you're about to be lynched anyways, nothing to lose.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I agree with that sentiment, but I felt obliged to choose the third option: "The Spanish Yeti is a master of disguise."

[Mr Stoofer]

Disadvantage of claiming townie day 1

: If you don't get lynched, you have helped the scum find the power roles (they know it's not you).

Advantage of claiming townie day 1

: None. Claiming townie is not going to reduce the chances of you being lynched

at all

.

Unless someone can propose an advantage of claiming townie day 1, I won't do it. (And don't just say: "it might stop you getting lynched." Because it won't.)

[Mr Stoofer]

I think pro-town players should generally always claim when bandwagonned, regardless of the role or the day. If you're about to be lynched anyways, nothing to lose.

I've explained in the above post what you have to lose. And there is certainly nothing to gain.

[Thok]

I think it depends on the circumstances.

In a large flavorless game, I agree with the idea-the info from your bandwagon is more useful than your life, especially since it keeps scum in the dark about what the possible power roles are.

If a smaller game (C9, for example) I think a townie claim can't hurt and it may be useful to save your life.

In a theme game, it may be possible to use the townie pm to clear yourself. This shouldn't be possible in a well-designed game, but it often happens anyways.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

A townie claim is essentially useless, but if you're asked to claim, I see no reason to claim anything else.

[Mr. Flay]

Disadvantage of claiming townie day 1

: If you don't get lynched, you have helped the scum find the power roles (they know it's not you).

Advantage of claiming townie day 1

: None. Claiming townie is not going to reduce the chances of you being lynched

at all

.

Unless someone can propose an advantage of claiming townie day 1, I won't do it. (And don't just say: "it might stop you getting lynched." Because it won't.)

Actually, it could. If someone has a role that somehow includes your name (they're a tracker, or part of an unpowered mason pair), then claiming who you are can save your life. It certainly isn't common, but the quality of your claim makes a HUGE difference (I've found) in whether or not a "plain townie" gets lynched or not. A well-handled claim can otherwise shift focus to someone else, because they may find you safe to 'come back to' later.

If you're the ONLY one people are suspicious of, then either a) you are not doing a good job as townie, or b) scum are doing an exceptional job. Note that these are not wholly mutually exclusive.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I thought plain townie meant flavourless.

[Mr. Flay]

Stoofer's not really being clear in what he means... I use them interchangeably.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

It seems obvious that claiming a powerless role that has to be in there can save you, therefore the logical assumption is that plain means flavourless.

[Mr. Flay]

Not really, otherwise you (and Stoofer) are claiming that it's worthless for plain Townies to ever defend themselves by claiming. I don't think that's entirely true, even if that is what he meant. It's certainly LESS helpful, but it's not completely without merit.

He nver said the person was being bandwagoned, or had done something specific, or any of the details that would make this discussion more specific...

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

He's claiming that claiming as a plain townie day 1 is never going to help you. He's saying that it has no possible advantage, only a disadvantage. I think that although it is often true, a townie claim can sometimes help you.

[Puzzle]

If only vanillas don't claim, then not claiming means claiming vanilla, doesn't it ?

[Dragon Phoenix]

In general I will not claim day one unless I have a power role (cop, doc, arguably mason), for the reasons outlined in Mr.Stoofer's post 8.

[armlx]

In a themed mini, if you have role name it will help not get you lynched.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Then you're a townie, not a

plain

townie.

[Tamuz]

C9 I always do pressure or not. Just to beat into people's heads that I'm a townie. Convince through repetition.

[PolarBoy]

The term townie is usually considered ambiguous as it defines allignment ut not abilities. The term plain townie is usually meant to mean "for the town, with no powers". This terminology was in use before themed games became as prominent as they are and there was virtually no such thing as a powerless townie with "flavor".

Why don't we wait for Stoofer to clarify before speaking for him any more.

I think there's a tendency among players to exagerate the likelihood of getting lynched. The truth is that even if you have one vote less than lynch on you, it still doesn't mean you'll be lynched if you don't claim. In fact most sane players will not put the last vote on someone unless they claim or demonstrate that they refuse to. You can't publicly reveal your role without letting the mafia know it, so in most cases you should hold onto that information as if your life depended on it. Even letting them know that you're not worth killing narrows their choices of who to kill next.

Bear in mind that if you definitely will be lynched if you don't then you have nothing to lose by claiming, as everyone is about to discover your role anyway.

[TSAGod]

Disadvantage of claiming townie day 1

: If you don't get lynched, you have helped the scum find the power roles (they know it's not you).

Advantage of claiming townie day 1

: None. Claiming townie is not going to reduce the chances of you being lynched

at all

.

Unless someone can propose an advantage of claiming townie day 1, I won't do it. (And don't just say: "it might stop you getting lynched." Because it won't.)

um...why doesn't it hurt. Yes, it helps scum find power roles, but it also helps docs find power roles. And if you get lynched it doesn't matter. It's totally a non-issue.