Whew! Done. Here’s the PBPA of vollkan. Hopefully what I say makes some sense; wasn't sure just how much I needed to say on each post.
(I hope someone with more time on their hands can do pwayne, since I really don’t want to do another one of these.)
Here we go...
5- random votes me, does the obligatory joke about my username
20- points out Dr. Blackstrike's “edited by” was part of his signature
34- says vanillas should avoid having to claim, as they would likely be culted; says we may have no choice but to lynch a claimed townie; goes after Dr. BS for saying that townies should try to get killed by scum
35- goes after Dr. BS for more scummy logic
40- corrects someone who says we have 4-6 vanillas total (we have 5-7)
69- doesn't like Flameaxe's vote on Dr. BS; votes Flameaxe
71- more arguments against Flame
77- points out problems which may arise if a vanilla claims
79- quotes CKD, who said no one should claim day 1 at all; vollkan points out that a protown power role SHOULD claim if at -1
94- clarifies reasons for vote on Flameaxe
110- 2 votes on tyhess isn't much of a wagon
118- says that some newbies fear saying anything, for fear it'll be turned against them (says he had that fear as a newbie, and Rump apparently has it now)
125- reclarifies vote on Flame; asks for opinions from tyhess
138- quotes theo, who said that he didn't like pwayne defending Dr. BS; points out that pwayne wasn't the only one defending him
142- Oman didn't like theo's vote on pwayne; theo doesn't like Oman's reaction; vollkan doesn't like theo's reaction
145- now votes for theo
147- looks at theo's list of suspects, says he sees nothing odd about it
159- gets newbie read on tyhess- more so than a scummy read
162- says cult leader will (for the moment) act protown, since there are no recruits to protect yet- cult will probably act scummier later on
164- clarifies 162
166- more clarification
178- quotes acfan's FoS of Oman (acfan doesn’t like Oman’s case against theo), asks for more info; mistakenly attributes the FoS to tyhess, instead of acfan
180- corrects mistake in 178
185- tyhess jumped on vollkan for the mistake in 178, vollkan wonders if tyhess is being serious; vollkan asks MoS for opinions beyond "one line remarks about the number of people here"
187- Oman wants acfan to pick someone scummier than theo- vollkan wants acfan to clarify his comment, but says acfan doesn’t need to pick someone scummier
193- quotes an apparent overreaction from tyhess (people didn’t like the fact that tyhess wanted to edit a post); quotes my comment about tyhess being a major newb, says “Newb..not scum.”
199- clarifies 193; says that tyhess could be newbscum, puts FoS on tyhess
200- asks tyhess to clarify his overreaction
202- more comments for tyhess- apparently I was the only one that spoke about tyhess’s attempt to edit
205- apparently theo mentioned tyhess’s edit attempt also, but passed no judgment
207- Dr. BS’s “edit sig” had been mentioned before, but not as evidence of scumminess
218- MoS is now talking about his own style of play- vollkan not satisfied with that
220- Oman votes MoS- vollkan wants to know why
224- not satisfied with Oman’s explanation; puts FoS on Oman
226- still apparently not satisfied; asks MoS about Flameaxe and theo (whom MoS said seemed “genuine”)
232- satisfied with MoS’s response; Oman is making vollkan’s “brain hurt”
240- still wondering about Oman’s suspicion of MoS
269- White replaces in; vollkan wants to give him a chance to read before we argue with him
309- vollkan’s first scumdar:
vollkan wrote:My scumdar:
Mastermind of Sin:
Lurker and then just posted theory stuff. Things seem to have sparked off with #209 which was the “Theo and Flame seem genuine” post. Evidently, people think he has been overly-defensive, though I am a little unsure as to whether I would react differently if someone accused me of having a "developed plan". I don't think the suspicion of him is unreasonable or baseless, but I don't feel strongly about MoS yet.
Oman:
I noticed, as White has, that Oman seems to agree with me a lot. I was a little off-put by his “developed plan” thing, hence my FoS, but his subsequent explanation of it being “developed stance” made it slightly more sensible. A few little things here and there, but I don’t suspect him to any significant degree.
ac1983fan:
Lurker; nothing to say.
Dr. Blackstrike:
Newbish lurker. I never really developed any suspicion for him, mainly because he was so quick to admit his error with regards to that plan.
curiouskarmadog:
Seems pro-town. My scumdar hasn’t hit any pings yet for CKD.
pwayne66:
I was in agreement with him on the BS thing and was pleased he stopped the BS wagon. I think White is correct regarding the pacifism thing and sometimes taking things personally, but I am willing to put it down to playstyle more than scumminess.
tyhess:
Numerous scummy actions, but also a complete newb. He has suspicion from me, but I need to see how things develop.
Trojan Horse:
Seems legit; no pinging as of yet.
Flameaxe:
I suspected him early on, but by slipping out of the game everything has progressed beyond that point. I will be watching flame or his replacement.
White (r. Rump-Wat):
Very strong contributor and is doing well at moving discussion forward, which can only be a good thing.
theopor_COD:
When I voted him, he was being slippery as all hell. Has been rather lurkish since then and I really would like to see some more discussion to either confirm or diminish my suspicions.
315- wonders why tyhess says his vote on theo could “change quickly”- possibly “trying to give yourself a way out to jump on a wagon”
347- doesn’t like tyhess’s suggestion for everyone to post top 3 suspects, since scum could exploit that. Wants pressure put on theo, tyhess, and MoS.
349- doesn’t seem to like Oman’s new vote on theo
351- responds to Oman’s scumdar
354- satisfied by a clarification from Oman
360- tyhess made a mistake, saying that cultist “knows that all but one person is protown”; theo called the mistake a town-tell; vollkan says could be an error by town or scum
361- cross-posts with pwayne; Oman asked theo for clarification about why tyhess’s mistake was a town-tell, then theo said Oman was “fishing”; now vollkan doesn’t get why theo accused Oman of fishing
366- still wondering why theo used the word “fishing”
369- tyhess wants us to work together and to narrow down our suspects; vollkan asks how he wants us to “work together”
372- points out problems with narrowing down the suspect list
424- looks at MoS’s latest scumdar, doesn’t like MoS’s comment against him; FoSes MoS
435- comments on MoS’s apparent “trap” to catch scum by acting a bit scummy, thus coaxing scum to jump on his wagon
453- not convinced by case against MoS; also not convinced that MoS’s plan would help
459- wants more pressure put on MoS; mistakenly says MoS is at -1
461, 464, 470- more pressure on MoS
474- MoS, now being bandwagoned, is not happy about not being asked to claim by anyone; vollkan said he wanted to look for reactions to MoS being at -1 before asking MoS to claim
476- vollkan not voting MoS, but should still ask for a claim “when the time is appropriate”
479- agreed with my comment that MoS only got to 5 votes, not 6
486- admits that he was the one that mistakenly said MoS was at -1; wonders about the “flurry” of unvotes after that mistake
490- points out that Oman said he wouldn’t ask for a claim until -1, and that Oman said he wouldn’t take such a claim seriously
496- asks Oman why he’d ask for a claim if he wouldn’t take it seriously
497- corrects mistyped phrase in 496
549, 552, 544- vollkan is confused about my reasons for voting MoS; MoS quotes me to clarify what my reasons were
565- expects to hear from Flame within a day, based on Flame’s post in another thread
570- tyhess says MoS hasn’t defended himself; vollkan curious as to what MoS HASN’T defended himself against yet
575- deadline looming; wants more discussion; prefers lynch to no lynch
597- wants an extension
620- MoS said that those who didn’t vote for the extension are slightly likelier to be scum; vollkan calls that “WIFOMic thinking”
631- wonders if Flameaxe “has any proactive interest in this game”
636- MoS said not asking for the extension is a minor tell, but vollkan doesn’t call it a tell at all
642- quotes Flameaxe saying he doesn’t have much time for a re-read
646- mocks one of Flame’s sarcastic posts
669- asks Flame to clarify his vote on White; also asks if deadline was extended
672- votes Flame since he refuses to clarify; looks like Flame’s vote is OMGUS
677- says vote on Flame is to pressure Flame into detailing his vote on White
688- more pressure on Flame, who still isn’t clarifying
714- extremely suspicious of my vote against tyhess, which I cast under pressure from MoS
717- doesn’t want me to vote/unvote based on pressure
722- quotes 717, wants me to respond
755- why on earth is MoS random voting?
760- TROJ. STOP JOKING.
795- wants input from Tar and Kakeng
820- agrees that we should try to settle things a couple of days before the deadline
839- pwayne looked at two earlier bandwagons (MoS and Dr. BS); vollkan wonders why he didn’t consider the Flameaxe bandwagon
844- looking at bandwagons not all that useful “when you don’t know anybody’s alignment”
854- says lynching a lurker costs us some info
860- not satisfied with Kakeng’s contribution (rightfully so, IMO)
862- wants clarification from Kakeng
898- mad that Tar claimed vanilla: “we now have a sitting duck for the cult.”
900- Kakeng suggested Tar could be a protown power role, pretending to be vanilla; vollkan doubts that; vollkan doesn’t like Kakeng jokingly claiming vanilla
951- gives reasons for/against lynching Tar; concludes we shouldn’t lynch Tar; FoSes pwayne for pushing a lynch of Tar
962- response to theo- said he thought Tar was likely a vanilla, but not a confirmed vanilla
969- wants Oman to lay off the “brownies” (hee-hee)
992- breaks down the numbers regarding a possible Tar lynch; concludes a Tar lynch is bad; votes pwayne for his stance
998- clarifies vote on pwayne
1017- unvotes pwayne, gives second scumdar:
vollkan wrote:The scale I will be using is 0% = Absolutely town, 100% = Absolutely scum
MoS
- I didn't have strong suspicions of him early on in the height of the wagoning with his ploy. Since then, he has been participating well. Slightly scummy, but I think more likely town. 35%.
Oman
- A few little things earlier (most notably the "developed plan" farrago). He hasn't been very helpful. 65%.
Kakeng
- Well, our lurky lurker ac1983 was replaced by a lurkier lurker. Completely unhelpful and has actually refused to post (the whole "It's still plenty of time" thing). I'd be happy with his lynch out of a combination of his lurking and obstinacy. 60%
Tarhalindur
- I was among those who weren't sold on the BS wagon. At the time, it seemed reasonable, given that we hadn't properly analysed the reality. I believe his vanilla claim; his actions make no sense at all otherwise. Having said that, his recruitment is very likely so I will be watching him like a hawk. 30%
CKD
- In my last scumdar, I said he seemed pro-town and I maintain that here. I don't get very many pings at all. 20%
Pwayne66
- I didn't have much of a read of him in my last scumdar. He was ambiguous. His latest pushing of the Tar lynch hiked up my suspicion considerably. He has since dropped it so
Unvote
. 75%
Tyhess
- What I said in my last scumdar remains unaltered: "Numerous scummy actions, but also a complete newb. He has suspicion from me, but I need to see how things develop." 60%
Trojan Horse
- A lot of small things aggregating from him
, but nothing earth-shattering. 65%.
Flameaxe
- I didn't like him early on. His only post in this whole Pwayne-Tar affair was an "I told you so". His previous posts were all useless one-liners. 70%.
White
- Forceful, direct and active (sounds like a shampoo
) Maybe a bit aggressive at times, but I often get accused of the same thing when I move into an attack on people, so I feel comfortable attributing this to playstyle. 30%
Theopor_COD
- Not very much help. His most recent stuff has been pushing for Kakeng and entirely ignoring the wagon on Pwayne. If Pwayne comes up scum, I think Theo is a potential partner. 65%
1021- not happy about length of game; wants to push things along; votes Kakeng
1025- points out that Kakeng is at 5 votes (theo thought it was 6); wants Kakeng to claim
1026- Kakeng’s townie claim must have been a joke (had a smiley)
1030- bit of a “mux-ip”
1033- wants Kakeng to claim
1037- unvotes; not happy about having a claimed vanilla and a claimed roleblocker
1041- tyhess not happy that Kakeng was asked to claim; vollkan’s reply: “You would rather we lynched a power role?”
1045- Flameaxe #2 on his list, and is lurking; would be happy with pwayne lynch also, but votes Flameaxe
1052- tyhess still saying that he doesn’t want to force roleclaims; said he’d “rather lynch a roleblocker than ask for a claim; vollkan FoSes tyhess
1054, 1056- still arguing with tyhess
1058- it’s WIFOM if Kakeng survives the night; says we should just proceed as normal if that happens
1062- asks me to clarify my latest vote on tyhess
1067- MoS votes Kakeng; vollkan prefers Flameaxe, but will vote Kakeng to avoid a no lynch
1078- time running out, votes Kakeng
1081- more reason to worry about Flame’s lurking- he “lurked his way to victory” in another game
1084- not buying the claim that Flameaxe is busy, since he posted multiple times elsewhere
1087- asked Flameaxe why he posted in other threads but not here
1089- doesn’t like the reply: “Because they were more important at the time.”
1093- clarifies theo’s question to Flameaxe (theo asked Flame where he stood, Flameaxe said “On…?” and vollkan said “The imminent deadline.”)
1098- still prefers Flameaxe lynch
1106- switches vote from Kakeng to Flameaxe, but will switch back to avoid no lynch (thing is, Kakeng already hammered himself)
1115- 2 kills night 1; argues against tyhess’s idea that second one was from an SK; must be from a vig; gives some odds breakdowns
1122- says that death of cult leader probably didn’t in and of itself prevent a recruiting; mistakenly says endgame with 1 townie & 1 cultie is a draw (mod later clarifies that cultie would win)
1134- denies having been recruited (MoS, tyhess, and pwayne all suggested that possibility); vollkan’s third scumdar:
vollkan wrote:I am not now and have never been a member of the cult.
I was not recruited yesterday. That's really all I can say. There is no case for me to rebut, other than that I have been "too townie".
Anyway, my alignment list thing with %s. My last post of this nature was in
Post #1017:
MoS
: No change from last time in terms of my level of suspicion. The Kakeng thing is a bit of a null to me right now, though it might become relevant later on. 35%
Oman
: As with my last scumdar, Oman had a few tells early on and was unhelpful. Nothing has happened to shift this. 65%
Tarhalindur
: I believed his vanilla claim, so my feeling is that he is either vanilla or CR right now. Just going by his behaviour, 30%.
pwayne66
: The tar lynch thing was very scummy yesterday. He dropped it, but I still suspect him for it. 70%
tyhess
: Scummy actions but very newbish. 60%
Trojan Horse
: Numerous scumtells aggregating up. 70%
Flameaxe
: Lurking, unhelpful and scummy. This guy is topping my list. 75%.
theopor_COD
: Not very much change since yesterday. 55%
I intend on doing a reread of Flameaxe to reassess whether my suspicion is actually warranted.
1170- Tar is probably townie or cultist; votes Flameaxe
1177, 1180, 1183, 1188- confusion over what tyhess said was a scumtell; FoSes tyhess, then unFoSes once the confusion is resolved
1196- doesn’t like Oman’s “casual support” of my wanting a Flameaxe lynch
1210- goes through the mafia parser, sees an apparent connection between me and Flameaxe
1221- doesn’t like my using Flameaxe’s “Town being useless” line; doesn’t like that Oman voted me because I suggested doing a breakdown of theo’s posts
1228- MoS quotes tyhess and Oman, and says “uh-huh”; vollkan asks what the connection was between the two quotes
1238- asks me to clarify part of my response to theo’s breakdown of me
1244, 1246- Flameaxe not being helpful
1257- I pointed out that Flame was at -1; vollkan wonders why I didn’t ask for a claim
1260- I pointed out that he already claimed; vollkan satisfied
1274- Day 3; vollkan’s fourth scumdar:
vollkan wrote:Right, first up we are in 4:2 LYLO now, which means
extreme caution
is needed. I'll remind you all: A wagon over 2 votes could trigger a quick-hammering.
As for my scumdar:
Oman
- As I have been saying consistently now, Oman was unhelpful early on with a few tells. His hammer for flame was very odd. 70%
Tarhalindur
- Either vanilla or cultist. Either way, lynching him is a bad idea. On behaviour alone, 30%.
Pwayne
- His Tar vote was scummy. He has been of no real help and his flameaxe vote had very little reasoning behind it. 70%.
Trojan Horse
- Numerous small scum tells aggregated, but he cleared them up rather well yesterday. Still scummy, but significantly less so. 65%.
Theo
- Early on, he wasn't much help and I was pretty suspicious of him, particularly for going after Kakeng and ignoring Pwayne. Since then, his contributions have been solid and seemingly pro-town. Based on his early behaviour, I am not going to rule him out, but I do not suspect him highly either. 55%.
1276- breakdown of why we shouldn’t mass claim
1279- responds to Oman’s strange post (Oman must have misunderstood what happened at night)
1283- not happy with pwayne getting too emotional
1285- more arguing with pwayne; vollkan says he’ll do a PBPA of Oman
1290- PBPA of Oman
1292- clarifies earlier suspicions of Flameaxe; why does pwayne call vollkan’s Oman-pwayne theory “ridiculous”?
1299- more arguments with pwayne, including connections between Oman and pwayne
1302- more against pwayne
1304- satisfied with part of pwayne’s defense
1307- gives us the link to the mafia parser
1310- PBPA of theo
1311- who to do a PBPA for next?
1313- agrees to do Tar, the easy one
Conclusions: Let me just say that if vollkan is scum, he is sure hiding any connections between himself and his teammate very well. My scumdar is calling him “protown” all the way; and yet, because my scumdar has been proven very wrong already, I can’t help having some doubts. I may be fooled.
; I was being too optimistic. I still need to do Tar, TH and Pwayne.
