Kingmaker II-Game Over

[VitaminR]

[quote="Cogito Ergo Sum"]VitaminR: Yes. He should always be executed.
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FINE. Write your own flavour.

Finished reading.

Decided Fritz is probably pro-town, he actually started playing the game. Now undecided on PJ. I think his day 1 play wasn't good at all. He did not seem to have many suspicions and I don't think he had that much reason to end up executing Rosso. There were some good things in there too, though, so I'm not sure yet.

My votes:

Vote: spectrumvoid,
Vote: RafK,
Vote: KaleiÐoscøpe

On the List of Execution:
MoS: Nope. Town.
VitaminR: Nope. I think he may be town too.
SV: Yes.
Smashy: Leaning towards no.

[pablito]

Pablito: Why do you think DeadR did a good job as king? Because he basically stalled the game? Posted nothing but a summary post?

What I said he was a good king? I meant to say he was a very town king, I think. I don't remember what I was saying when I made that post.

I like VitaminR's effort lately. At least we know he's not taking the easy way out.

[Shanba]

You didn't say he was a good king, you said
"he did a fine job as king", "he did make a decent effort as king", "I think Smashy was forced into a tight situation and did the best he could with the time he had". All from post 1826. I sense much backtracking in your last post.

[Shanba]

Aright. I still haven't read through MoS but I can give some thoughts on the other players on the LoE
VitaminR: I feel Phoebus was extremely scummy and Dragonsofsummer, while not looking particularly scummy did nothing to change my opinion of that role. That being said, now VitaminR has replaced in, the lurker problem there might be solved. I'd say wait and see on VitaminR. Also, I think this execution would give very little information.

Spectrumvoid: After re-reading her posts, a lot of the scum feeling I got has gone. Some things still worry me, and they're pretty much neatly collected in my entry post, but she wasn't sitting on the fence nearly as much as I remembered day 2. Nevertheless, I would not oppose her execution

Smashy: Dead Riki has struck me as scummy on a reread of his posts. His very first post is a sit back and snipe type that leaves me with a bad taste. His reign as king almost killed the game and his replacement's choice did not inspire me with confidence. I would like him executed.

Going to reread Zindaras, Mnowax and MoS

[pablito]

Shanba, you're confusing everyone by trying to say that Shanba-king and DR-king had the same exact style.

Only once did I refer to DR. SV pointed that out. Now don't go confusing everyone by trying to use my references to Smashy along with it.

[Fritzler]

way to post 5 times in a row vitamin^

who are you?
me?

[Shanba]

Shanba, you're confusing everyone by trying to say that Shanba-king and DR-king had the same exact style.

Only once did I refer to DR. SV pointed that out. Now don't go confusing everyone by trying to use my references to Smashy along with it.

I'll assume you mean Smashy when you say Shanba. In which case, as Smashy and Dead Rikimaru are playing the same role, should Smashy not be judged according to the actions of both. And actually, it was DR you said did a fine job as king, so that goes out the window too.
This is worrying me, I was thinking you were town not so long ago. Now I'm not so sure.

[pablito]

Yes, I meant Smashy-King.

Shanba, explain why you thought I was town. I feel that sometimes scum make a general statement like that to enter a new avenue of trying to create suspicion on someone who no one's going after.

Tell me exactly what actions and what posts made you believe that I was town. There's a big difference between "pablito doesn't register on my radar" and "pablito is town". Therefore, there has to be something that I posted that made you think I was town. Please tell me what it is.

[Shanba]

Just a sec, I don't have my notes on this PC, I'll have to do a quick re-read. If I remember correctly, however, you've been unafraid to voice your opinion and push the issue when a scum player might have tried to avoid the spotlight until it was turned on him (much as Pooky did). You've evaded the issue here though, that is, that you've just flatly contradicted yourself.

[Shanba]

Right. That was a fairly quick re-read, but what I've gathered is that your stances on various players has been consistent (I can go and find examples of that if you wish) and where your opinions have changed I can see the logic and the thought process behind it. While there have been one or two off-vibes from you, the overall feel I get is town: which is why I haven't voted for you yet.

[Thok]

Pablito, because of time issues, has request replacement in this game. Thesp will be replacing him, effective Monday.

[Der Hammer]

bye Pablito,


Out of those 4 I would go this way, Didn't like the way he handed being King and then I think my encoutner with MOS earlier left him reeking of scum

Vitiman R:No
SV:No
Smashy:yes.
MOS:Yes

[pablito]

Just a sec, I don't have my notes on this PC, I'll have to do a quick re-read. If I remember correctly, however, you've been unafraid to voice your opinion and push the issue when a scum player might have tried to avoid the spotlight until it was turned on him (much as Pooky did). You've evaded the issue here though, that is, that you've just flatly contradicted yourself.

I'm not gone, yet, by the way.

I'm sure I evaded some issue or other, but that's because, stuff.

I still stand by the point that DR tried his hardest but failed due to circumstances out of his control (his availability) and I think he would've been a decent king had he stayed active completely throughout.

I still stand by the point that Smashy did the best he could in a situation where he suddenly became king, and had to do his best with an immediately deadline and I think he still did a decent job despite me completely disagreeing with his final two on the LoE.

From my point of view, Shanba, you're still a mystery - as were your two predecessors, so I poked at you to see where you came from. I urge you to stay active and contribute even though I will no longer be able to act as your foil.

So - I think I've stated a reasonable amount on the discussions of today, but if you want something from me before I magically turn into Thesp (a wondeful player and I'm glad he's replacing me), then ask away. I feel that if I'm asking for replacement, the least I can do is contribute as much as possible so that Thesp doesn't have to try to piece some answers about my own words (although I've been fairly visible and explicit throughout). Especially when I'm not stepping away from the game because I fullheartedly want to.

So ask away - get your last answers from me.

[ThAdmiral]

So ask away - get your last answers from me.

So...what do you think about the Yankees outfield this season...

[VitaminR]

way to post 5 times in a row vitamin^

who are you?
me?

No, then they would have all been one-liners.

Pablito, I don't have any questions for you. I think your play has been consistent and pro-town.

[Shanba]

Meh, nevermind re-reading Zindaras. I can do that later

MoS: Picked up a lot of flak for his playstyle this game. I thought he was prob scum before I re-read him, now I'm leaning neutral. I think I need to read his posts in context, which means rereading the thread (again). In my first post, now I reread it, my suspicions of him are fairly unjustified. I think killing him would be an easy way out for a scum king.
Mnowax: CTD was not the most contributive, and was fairly off on suspicions. Mnowax is giving me a bad vibe.

vote Mnowax

[VitaminR]

In my first post, now I reread it, my suspicions of him are fairly unjustified. I think killing him would be an easy way out for a scum king.

I agree with this. I'm liking Shanba's posts.

[Toaster Strudel]

Mnowax is giving me a bad vibe.

vote Mnowax

Mnowax is the bad vibe player in every game. What stood out?

[Shanba]

go ahead kill me now. It will just allow scum to win with ease.

vote: anyone who thinks that i have no legit point.

Horribly scummy post

The change from this:

this game has a lot of people that are replacejing. this day might not need to last longer, but give some of these people time. only scum would benefit from lynching right now.

To this:

Vote: dead rikku

kill anyone!

and from this:

MoS (shameless wagoning by me)

Vote: Smashy ( i thought Dead was scum, sorry) MoS ( i dunno gut i guess ) and Toaster Strudel (i like pop tarts biatch!)

to this:
*actually, I'm not going to quote his accusation of MoS. It's his biggest post though, shouldn't be too hard to find*
with one post in between.
I do believe I just stated that MoS would be an easy copout for a scum king: well, the same principle holds true here. Pressured to give some content, he digs up Yosarian's attack on MoS, then FoS's everyone who says he hasn't got a legit point. It is such an opportunistic attack it makes me cringe.

However, you seem to be saying he's like that in all his games. I really hope not, we've already got Fritzler in here to be completely unreadable.

[RafK]

MOS: I still have no idea how to deal with what he's doing, but I also feel that (in a game where voting has no actual effect) his lack of voting isn't so anti-town whereas the discussion caused by his attitude is helpful. Plus he has been intentionally drawing enough hate to risk being summarily executed if the wrong person becomes King, which is risky.

So overall, no.

Phoebus replacement: My no on Phoebus is predicated on Yos being scum, so obviously we have a conundrum on this answer

SV: Yes. My opinion has not changed. If we got any information out of the Pooky execution (and subsequently from Glork being proven town) it is that SV is on the wrong side.

Smashy: I feel that DR was town, mostly due to his last big post as King. The irritation of him going AWOL doesn't have anything to do with scumminess. Hence, no to Smashy at this time.

[VitaminR]

I'd like to hear from Yos.

[Shanba]

Geh. I feel like I'm not keeping up with this at all: I was already voting Mnowax.
In fact:

Unvote all

Vote: Smashy, Mnowax

FoS: Zindaras, VitR

That's more where my thoughts are now. Zindaras is only a FoS because I need to reread him and VitR is there because while I found Phoebus scummy I think he needs more time to get into the game. My other votes are already explained.

[Yosarian2]

Alright, there's been enough people expression suspicion about Mnowax that I think I will

add:mnowax to the list of execution

I'm also getting a good vibe from MOS lately, and a lot of other people seem to agree, so I'm probably not going to execute him today unless someone can make a better case against him then I've seen lately.

[Shanba]

Hey Yos: we've all given our thoughts and suspicions now, it's your turn. Why are these players in particular on the execution list? It would be useful to have in black and white your thoughts on each of the players for later reference when we know some more alignments

[Thok]

Vote Count

King Yosarian2 (2):

List of Execution: MOS, VitaminR, Spectrumvoid, Smashy, Mnowax

Cogito Ergo Sum (2): zindaras, lowell
Der Hammer (2):
Fritzler (2): Everybody but Fritzler and Yosarian2
KaleiÐoscøpe (3): Smashy, Fritzler
Lowell (3): Yosarian2
Mastermind of Sin (3):
Mnowax (5): MOS
pablito (2): KaleiÐoscøpe, Der Hammer, Smashy, DragonsOfSummer, Shanba, Zindaras, mnowax
petroleumjelly (1):
RafK (2): Yosarian2, Spectrumvoid, CES
Shanba (2): smashy, mnowax
Smashy (6):
spectrumvoid (4): smashy, mos
ThAdmiral (1): smashy, Fritzler, mnowax
Toaster Strudel (1): Zindaras, Lowell
VitaminR (2): Spectrumvoid, RafK, KaleiÐoscøpe
Zindaras (4): mnowax, spectrumvoid