Mafia 96 - Murder in Emerald City (Game Over!)

[Johnny Rotten]

I do find it quite interesting that some people feel the need to vote at this stage of the game. Scumtell? Possibly.

Why?

Yeah, I don't think you've explained why it's a possible scumtell.

I feel that, in a large game such as this, with a 3 week deadline and over half of the participants not even posting yet, voting at that time was inappropriate. Perhaps trying to start a bandwagon? Perhaps to show scum-mates who to target?

Like I said previously, this is my first large game, so perhaps this is the way it goes. It just struck me as odd.

[ZazieR]

Face it, Mastin (at least so far) has been THE talk of the game. If he is town, then all he is doing is taking attention away from finding the scum. All the mafia members can sit back and fly UTR, because good ole Mastin will be drawing all the heat on himself.

Uhm, no. Kublai's claim has been THE talk.
What's your opinion of Kublai actually? You haven't mentioned him so far
(EBWOP, you have in this post >.<)

I also disagree with policy lynches, as it gives the scum an easy lynch if that player is town.

I do have one hypothetical question I would like to ask. Kublai Khan has claimed Miller. If, by some happenstance, the cop in this game were to investigae KK on night 0, would the result that he/she received change anything?

Cops would get the opposite of what they would get when investigating a townalligned player. In other words, cops would get the same result as when they would investigate scum.

You really don't think that Mastin and his bizarre, mind-fuck style of gameplay has been more of a talk than KK? Maybe the quality of talk is better in the KK side, but the sheer quantity has got to be in Mastin's camp.

I understand what the role of the millar is. What I mean to ask is, would it make any difference if the cop were to have investigated KK night 0, and then come forward with his result? Would the guilty or not guilty verdict change anything?

For what it is worth, I feel that KK is honest in his Role Claim. I replaced into another game with him in it, and his play is consistant with that game. I know that he could be pulling the wool over my eyes, but thats what I got.

No, I really think that Kublai has been mentioned more.
The timing of the verdict would make the difference to me. If it was made before the miller claim, I'd question the claimed miller. If it was made afterwards, I'd question the claimed cop.

[ZazieR]

I do find it quite interesting that some people feel the need to vote at this stage of the game. Scumtell? Possibly.

Why?

Yeah, I don't think you've explained why it's a possible scumtell.

I feel that, in a large game such as this, with a 3 week deadline and over half of the participants not even posting yet, voting at that time was inappropriate. Perhaps trying to start a bandwagon? Perhaps to show scum-mates who to target?

Like I said previously, this is my first large game, so perhaps this is the way it goes. It just struck me as odd.

I don't think the timing of voting makes any difference in either a newbie, a mini or a large. the reason why I prefer to vote as soon as possible, is mainly to show where my suspicions lie.

[Johnny Rotten]

I do find it quite interesting that some people feel the need to vote at this stage of the game. Scumtell? Possibly.

Why?

Yeah, I don't think you've explained why it's a possible scumtell.

I feel that, in a large game such as this, with a 3 week deadline and over half of the participants not even posting yet, voting at that time was inappropriate. Perhaps trying to start a bandwagon? Perhaps to show scum-mates who to target?

Like I said previously, this is my first large game, so perhaps this is the way it goes. It just struck me as odd.

I don't think the timing of voting makes any difference in either a newbie, a mini or a large. the reason why I prefer to vote as soon as possible, is mainly to show where my suspicions lie.

So, what your basically saying is, my assumptions were wrong. LOL

It's okay, been wrong before, will be wrong again.

[Faraday]

Alright, I'm back.......

I do have one random, off topic question. What the hell is a "scum-day"? Is that just a fancy name for birthday? (yes, it is 3 am and I am tired)



Anyway, back on topic.....I tend to look at things in a fairly black and white kind of way. Yes, the object of the game is to lynch scum (from a town standpoint) or to lynch town (from a mafia standpoint), with the

ultimate objective

being to eliminate all of the other side.

Now, my call for other people opinions on Mastin was made with the

ultimate objective

in mind, which is winning the damn game!!!

Face it, Mastin (at least so far) has been THE talk of the game. If he is town, then all he is doing is taking attention away from finding the scum. All the mafia members can sit back and fly UTR, because good ole Mastin will be drawing all the heat on himself.

THAT is why I feel he makes for the best lynch at this point. A few other players that have experience with Mastin say that he plays all of his games like this, from start to finish. In my opinion, he is a detriment to the town, and should be lynched.

Vote: Mastin

Now, the reason that I did not want to vote before is simple.....the game JUST started!! The deadline is what, 3 weeks away? I didn't see the need to do that yet, but apparently my opinion was the opposite of "good game logic", hence my above vote.

You're not scum hunting. Policy lynches are bad, policy lynches on players adding contribution (and fucking loads of it) to the game are amazingly stupid.

And he's not "taking attention away from finding scum", that only happens if you're lazy. Just read/skim his posts if you wish, but I really don't see what's so bad about him so far

And as for the KK slip, I buy his explanation as that's how I originally read it.

I don't like the fact he's not sure if he's a death miller though, since when is death miller a normal role anyway? Time's are a-changing I guess.

[Empking's Alt]

Alright, I'm back.......

I do have one random, off topic question. What the hell is a "scum-day"? Is that just a fancy name for birthday? (yes, it is 3 am and I am tired)



Anyway, back on topic.....I tend to look at things in a fairly black and white kind of way. Yes, the object of the game is to lynch scum (from a town standpoint) or to lynch town (from a mafia standpoint), with the

ultimate objective

being to eliminate all of the other side.

Now, my call for other people opinions on Mastin was made with the

ultimate objective

in mind, which is winning the damn game!!!

Face it, Mastin (at least so far) has been THE talk of the game. If he is town, then all he is doing is taking attention away from finding the scum. All the mafia members can sit back and fly UTR, because good ole Mastin will be drawing all the heat on himself.

THAT is why I feel he makes for the best lynch at this point. A few other players that have experience with Mastin say that he plays all of his games like this, from start to finish. In my opinion, he is a detriment to the town, and should be lynched.

Vote: Mastin

Now, the reason that I did not want to vote before is simple.....the game JUST started!! The deadline is what, 3 weeks away? I didn't see the need to do that yet, but apparently my opinion was the opposite of "good game logic", hence my above vote.

You're not scum hunting. Policy lynches are bad, policy lynches on players adding contribution (and fucking loads of it) to the game are amazingly stupid.

From memory, what contribution has he added to the game?

[Faraday]

Who? Mastin? Trying to find scum, why do you ask?

[fallen angel]

Really none. Kise voted him for having no content and I voted Kise because I was already voting JR and thought Kise was trying to bandwagon him. Other then that, he's suggested policy lynching Mastin because he doesn't feel like reading. No real content from him.

[Kublai Khan]

@fallen angel 213 - Good idea. I'll probably do my scumlist tonight. Interesting opening 24 hours to a game.

@Johnny Rotten 219 & 221 - There are so very few compelling reasons to policy lynch. Mastin hasn't come close to any of those reasons.

ORLY? Whose evidence did I use then? Because I'm positive that I only mentioned your quote in my post which had my vote included. So explain where I did so.

ckool5000.

Wow. Thanks for posting ckool.
Vote Kublai
Obv scumslip in the quote from him that ckool just posted. Will comment more when I get at that post.

Your vote is the direct result of piggy-backing someone else's evidence. Quit pretending like I'm making things up.

Obv scum lying about his role. Note that he claims that he wasn't sure if he was a regular miller or a death miller, yet didn't ask the mod what he was.

My Role PM says Emerald Miller. I assumed that if I was a death miller (or other miller variant), then iamausername would have told me. But if you insist, I'll double check with iamausername.

It shows a lot. But before I explain, which role do you think killed Konowa: SK, vig or a mafia role?

I don't know. However, I strongly doubt that it was the Cerulean Mafia.

[Kublai Khan]

Oh, just so everyone knows. During the work week I'll only be posting about 1-2 times a day (once in morning, once at night). Usually in the style of my few posts. Just giving a heads up in case anyone complains about a change in my posting habits.

[iamausername]

-=Vote Count #3=-

Mastin (4) - Kublai Khan, roflcopter, Empking's Alt, Johnny Rotten
Hayker (2) - Faraday, Namttam
Johnny Rotten (2) - Kise, Mastin
Kublai Khan (1) - ZazieR

Not Voting (12) - Achilles, BloodCovenent, cateraction, ckool5000, dvdkid13, Hayker, MafiaMann, Mufasa, Redith, reveillark, Wickedestjr, fallen angel

11 to lynch.

[Wickedestjr]

@Post 154 by ZazieR - When I said I was going to treat Khan like an ordinary player, I meant that if he did something scummy, then I'd treat him the exact way that I would if he hadn't claimed miller.

@Mastin - When I said "I would hesitate to vote Khan because he claimed miller", I meant to say "I would

not

hesitate to vote Khan because he claimed scum." I am very glad that you are scum hunting and please continue to do so. The only reason I said that about who I'd vote at a nearing deadline with nobody acting scummy, was because I was mostly paying attention to your posts in the RVS. All of the posts of yours that were not in the RVS actually have been contributing. I have not played many games of mafia, and most of which have been different from the games I've played on MS. I am not used to people constantly asking others questions. I used to find this suspicious when playing previous games. You asked something about inconsistency in my post. Can you please rephrase this question?

As for roflcopter, I am no longer as suspicious of him as I was at the beginning of the game.

I can still not think about who I will vote for. I have read the first 6 and a half pages, and I am hoping to catch up soon.

[ckool5000]

You know what I think? I think the following people REALLY need to share their opinions/what they've found out:

Achilles
BloodCovenent
dvdkid13
Namttam
Redith
reveillark

Seriously, you six are on the borderline of lurking.

You too Wickedestjr... But you posted right before this post, so at least we know you're here.

[MafiaMann]

Ok, I hadn''t seen yet that MM didn''t throw any opinions in.
Do you have anything to add?

(Happy scumday btw )

I think mastins not being completely clear in everything he says. His use of sarcasm is confusing and breeds WIFOM arguments. I dont know if its scummy or the way he plays but definitely is not helpful when he isnt straight forward with the town.

So the reason why you only call out Mastin, but not me, is?
Also, in this post you mention that it could be his play (finding an excuse why it's not scummy), but in your previous post (post 171) you state that you're tired of everything is just Mastin being Mastin.
So what is it?

Im not excusing him i still want him not to

[MafiaMann]

My opinion on scum is maybe ckool because some of his posts dont contain much meat but I may be guilty of something similar.

Also Hayker seems to be making a lot of mistakes and some of which can misleading. Im no longer suspicous of mastin or khan.

[Mastin]

(Please note that this is typed at 1:30 am. If my responses seem less logical than normal for even me, that's why.)

I will post something of more signifigance than this when things slow down a bit

This is kinda, well, active lurking.

More or less skimmed, Mastin.

Nice to know.
But what'd you get from just the skim?
And do you plan to follow through with a reread?

I skipped a couple of pages due to walls of text

Eh, it happens when people skim. (Psst. When I'm dead/spectating a game, I skim walls of text as well. Alive and well, not so much [the proof is in the posts ], but it's fine when I'm dead.)

and not caring that much.

You didn't care about the scum hunting done in there?
Could you explain this, please?

No offense.

None taken.

So. He didn't have anything to say.

Empking's...well, Empking. He always does that. :/

He kinda just showed up and waggoned.

Like I said, I think I'm Empking's policy vote or something. <_<

Idk. Just don't feel right about him.

Yea...Empking's weird like that. I'm kinda surprised every game where he lives a long time. :/

He has my FoS.

But why no vote?

The "3am before bed post"

I love writing those!
...Too bad my internet pretty much only has a ten percent chance of working at that time. <_<

Perhaps, I don't know.

Mafia did it as well, mind you.

I didn't quite read it like that,

At the very least, Kublai Khan was being inconsistent--he called two people out for debating what killed who, and then goes off to speculate that the mafia doctor kill was a really lucky vig.

I'll let KK explain it though

Agreed. I want this as well.

as I'm interested in seeing what he says.

Yea...it's always best to hear it from the player accused.

Alright, this is reasonable

A rare moment from me.

I enjoy reading mafia games almost as much as playing in them

Ah...it's amazing how many players in here have similarities to me. If you combine many of the better traits in all the players here, you might theoretically end up with a clone of me.

I guess, although the reasons for finding rofl suspicious were rather, sup par, I felt.

That I agree with. But again, I can see where the reasoning is coming from.

I'm sure ye bastards will post up a storm during the night and give me loads to read

Yup. 3+ wall of text order, coming right up! That'll be five responses, please. Pay via cash, credit, or preferably, post.

My Role PM just says I'm a regular miller.

It seems like poor practice to not PM the mod for clarification on what type of miller you are.

Please do so now.

I haven't checked iamausername's meta-mod to see if he's the type of mod to get creative with secret roles.

...Or, you can just ask Iamausername what type of miller you are and save yourself the trouble of searching through Iamausername's modded games.

So I'm a regular miller

It's a decent assumption, but...

as far as I know.

Again, you should ask the mod to make sure.

It doesn't show crap.

It seems to do so for me. It showed an inconsistency, which it is your job to explain and clarify.

In context I was asking ckool5000 why he thought "scenario A" happened and not an alternative "Scenario B".

Your words, were, essentially, "why didn't you consider the possibility that we have a really lucky vig?"

There are many possible scenarios.
You called him out for assuming one, and then seemed to assume a scenario yourself.
When other options clearly exist.
This is what needs explaining.

I never said that "Scenario B" is what I thought happened.

It definitely seemed that way to me, Khan.

Kise's comment definitely wasn't a breadcrumb and it read like a hardclaim.

It seemed stronger than a breadcrumb, weaker than a hard claim. (Soft claim)

Kise is claiming it was an entrapment ploy, so there ya go.

That's not what I interpreted Kise's response as. I interpreted his response as a bit of wifom and called you out for the "rolefishing".

And I definitely don't like the "entrapment ploy" idea.

I agree with you that it's odd that roflcopter didn't include me in the rolefishing accusation.

Yea...that's tunneling for ya.

But I guess it looks like roflcopter is serious about his desire to not lynch me.

Doesn't change how he was inconsistent.

I don't think anyone ignored it because it was "Mastin being Mastin".

They ignored it because it was my RVS tactics.

I think it got mostly ignored because it was the first post in the game.

RVS, actually.

But I did mention in post 33 that I thought Mastin was the type of person who would enjoy joking about how scummy he was when he actually was scum.

Because jokes are so fun.

He agreed with me in post 40.

Yea, I believe I did.

I was referring to your suggestion that there are mirror mafia groups.

Eh, it's a decent assumption.

It's just a really random assumption to make.

Random? Yea. Unnecessary? Sure. But it is a likely and fairly reasonable assumption to make, in my opinion.

Unless, of course, you're also a Mafia Doctor.

It's not so much that he made the assumption, but rather, that he pointed it out which makes the difference to me.

In which case it's a perfectly reasonable assumption.

Again, nothing wrong with assuming mirror scum groups. Pointing out the assumption is where problems probably lie, though.

I hate stuff like this

As do I.

Why was it so important to get in your FOS announced right away before you had time to post an actual reason?

Yea...Redith, you kinda need to answer questions such as this.

It's an FOS, not a vote.

*Nods*. Mm-hm. Khan's Correct.

Why don't you just wait until you have time to post, then post both your FOS and your reason(s).

I'd like for you to both
1: Answer why you didn't do that,
and
2: Start doing it.

EBWOP: Reason given.

I got the feeling that it wasn't the entire reasoning, but that it's all he was saying.

Was so short he could have written it the first time.

Theoretically, yes, if that's his only reason.

Active Lurker.

Hopefully not.

@Mastin 187: Why aren't you taking my questions (about meta) seriously?

Eh, remind me what your questions were, again?

Didn't you always brag about how you caught Kronos & jeffcole1 in Newbie 742 according to their RVS comments?

Yea, THEIR RVS comments.

Mastin != Jeff,
Mastin != Kronos,
Mastin != any other MS.net person.

MY RVS comments shouldn't have weight put on them.
Others, more likely than not, at least glance at them from time to time.

IIRC, it's one of your "Insane Tells".

Actually, the exact tell is buddying up early-on.

How come you're asking to be judged differently?

...Because I'm different from most players.
Why else?
Are you really surprised by this very true response?
Really, I'm different. Most things like that don't apply to me.

Dear lord, i hate you Mastin.

Zazie did it too!...

Will read up after beach trip tomorrow.

Good to hear.

damn.... hate you...

Now, now, one's enough. You only need to say that you hate me once.

Mastin- Seems perfectly normal to me.

As normal as I can get, that is.

Lots of scumhunting.

I'm sure many here would disagree.
Personally, I agree, but that's mostly just me.

Pro-town.

Yup.

ZazieR- Mastin with shorter posts.

XP

Roflcopter- Other then a ton of tunneling, not much suspicious about him.

Especially since tunneling is normal from him.

ckool5000- Little content, comments more then really analyzes.

Known as the tell, Information Instead of Analysis, IIoA, for short.

What he does analyze isn't extremely helpful. Attempting to scumhunt.

Yea...this seems to be my general feel for him right now as well.

Faraday- Seems extremely pro-town.

Agreed.

Hayker- Backtracks and doesn't seem to be seriously scumhunting. Neutral at best.

This is a fair assessment.

Johnny Rotten- Waiting for his big post, but the case Kise put on him seems really weak.

This shouldn't determine alignment...

Kise- Weak vote on JR.

I agree, the original reasoning was weak and false.

Tried to put up a reason for it, and failed.

His later reasoning on Johnny's later post, however, was good, as it was mostly my reasoning as well.

Possible softclaim of a killing role, then backtracks. Neutral leaning towards scummy.

I agree with this.

MM- Seems newbtown

Explain to me how someone having a scum day can POSSIBLY be newbtown.

Who's your top suspect of those you listed?

Seriously though, it seems you're mainly attacking Rofl for his playstyle in post 169.

Not so much attacking, as pointing out the flaws in it. (Like how when he targets a pro-town player, it backfires.)

Why is that?

He's targeting me. I don't think he's scum, but I will try to discourage him from his insistence that I am scum.

I do have one random, off topic question.

Sure. One only.

What the hell is a "scum-day"?

Anniversary for joining MS.net day. Mine, for example, is October Eight, and would be my first Scumday.

Is that just a fancy name for birthday?

Actually...we have those as well.

I tend to look at things in a fairly black and white kind of way.

And this is scummy. NOTHING is absolute in the game, nothing black, nothing white. Anything can be a scum tell, yet occasionally done by town, anything can be a town tell, yet still done by scum.

Nothing's black and white in mafia.

Yes, the object of the game is to lynch scum (from a town standpoint)

Which lynching me will not be doing...

or to lynch town (from a mafia standpoint)

Which would happen if lynching me...

with the ultimate objective being to eliminate all of the other side.

It's the objective EVERY MINUTE OF THE GAME.
From Night Zero.
To Day One.
To Night One.
To Day Two.
And so on and so on.
Town want mafia dead.
Mafia want town dead.
It's true from any point in time, including day one.

Now, my call for other people opinions on Mastin was made with the ultimate objective in mind

How so?
How is asking other people going to, in any way, scum hunt?

which is winning the damn game!!!

Note how he fails to specify that he has a town win condition.

Face it, Mastin (at least so far) has been THE talk of the game.

ONLY in the RVS.
We've had FAR more conversation than that.
Kublai Khan's miller claim.
Mafia's attitude,
ckool's attitude,
Kise's "softclaim",
etc.

I am only one of MANY discussion points in the game.

If he is town, then all he is doing is taking attention away from finding the scum.

On the contrary, that's the opposite of what I'm doing. People can conclude I am town from the talk, and instantly know that I am not scum.
And people who conclude I am scum will fall under heavy attack in the future for being likely scum.

Discussion on a player is pro-town.
A pro-town player WANTS discussion on them,
For it is a way for people to think they are pro-town.

By defending themselves well from others' attacks.

That's a good part of scum hunting.

All the mafia members can sit back and fly UTR, because good ole Mastin will be drawing all the heat on himself.

Again, this is blatantly false. People attacking me draw suspicion to themselves, and if they're scum, that's bad. If they're town, they have to defend themselves, as I have to defend myself. Discussion is always pro-town, no matter who it is aimed at. Drawing the heat temporarily to catch the scum (you) is definitely worth it.

THAT is why I feel he makes for the best lynch at this point.

The thing is, that's called a Policy Lynch, which--site-wide--is considered fairly scummy.

A few other players that have experience with Mastin say that he plays all of his games like this

Making it a null tell, making it something which only mafia will attack me for (note that you ARE attacking me for it).

from start to finish.

They never said that.

We've stated that I play the way I do in the RVS--that gets discussion going.

And then I start scum hunting, defending myself, and lashing back and those who are attacking me and are scummy. (You, for example)

That's incredibly pro-town.

In my opinion, he is a detriment to the town

Again, you fail to explain how anything other than my random voting stage posts are a detriment to the rest of the town, when it is clear that my attitude since the RVS has changed, and that I am now seriously scum hunting. You've yet to explain how scum hunting is in ANY way harmful to the town.
You can't,
Because it isn't.

and should be lynched.

Again, this is called a Policy Lynch, something incredibly scummy to even suggest.

Now, the reason that I did not want to vote before is simple

You're lying. I can tell even from just this that you are.
It's never that simple.

the game JUST started!!

So?!?

The deadline is what, 3 weeks away?

That doesn't mean you can't vote for two weeks, or anything.

Not voting-->Showing Caution-->Scum tell.

I didn't see the need to do that yet

And you were called out for it.

but apparently my opinion was the opposite of "good game logic", hence my above vote.

Right, so...
You wanted to hear from everyone before voting...
And yet vote only after hearing a few opinions about why you're wrong.
[sarcasm]That's soooooo pro-town of you. Johnny.[/sarcasm]

I do have one hypothetical question I would like to ask.

Sure, go ahead.

Kublai Khan has claimed Miller.

We are aware of this.

If, by some happenstance, the cop in this game were to investigae KK on night 0, would the result that he/she received change anything?

The cop would receive the report that indicates the miller is guilty--sane cops would get guilty on a miller, insane cops would get innocent...

The reason I ask is simple.

Stop lying about your reason being simple.

the question has been kinda bugging me since last night (real time, not game time), when a lot of talk was on KK and his claim.

The answer should've been made clear from that conversation.

Oh, and you just ADMITTED that there was talk about Khan and his claim, which is NOT talk about me, contradicting your MAIN reason for VOTING ME.
Inconsistency-->Scumtell.

I kept thinking about the above scenario and couldn't make heads or tails of whether or not it would change anything.

It changes the results, most of the time.

BTW, I feel as though I am neglecting to answer a question posed to me earlier.....and to be honest, I am too lazy right now to go looking for it.

I know the feeling. :/

So, if it is your question that I missed, please re-post, or direct me to the original one, and I will be happy to!

I'll look to see what I have directed at you.

As long as the game is Zazie-free, this would be correct.

So true.

Also, stop responding to things that aren't aimed at you >.<

Eh, it's in my nature. Bad habit, I know...

[MafiaMann]

Mastin to be fair I was inactive for a long time maybe about 8 out of the 12 months ive been a member.

[fallen angel]

Mastin- Just because he has been on for about a year doesn't make him experienced. As he said, he was only playing for 4 out of the 12 months. Also, his scumhunting/attempt at it seemed more like stuff in the Road to Rome.

[fallen angel]

Oh, to answer your question, probably ckool mostly because of IIoA. Kise's later reasoning was okay, it was the initial vote that made me suspicious. JR is a bit suspicious because he wants to policy lynch you for no good reason. The point of this game is to read and analyze, and wanting someone policy lynched because you don't want to read is stupid. It seems he must have some ulterior motive for trying to lynch you (you're a strong scumhunter, you suspect a scumbuddy, whatever the reason may be) and is trying to pass you off as anti-town for long posts. Policy lynches =/= pro-town, and should be used as little as possible.

[MafiaMann]

Mastin- Just because he has been on for about a year doesn't make him experienced. As he said, he was only playing for 4 out of the 12 months. Also, his scumhunting/attempt at it seemed more like stuff in the Road to Rome.

Im slightly insulted to be honest

[fallen angel]

Not trying to insult you at all.

[fallen angel]

It's mostly just the same type of posting as ckool, IIoA, that makes it seem newbish to me.

[MafiaMann]

Not trying to insult you at all.

Then it did not have the desired outcome

To be honest newbie behavior shouldnt be excused. Id rather lynch a newbie townie then be beaten by a newbie behaving scum. Im a little bit suspicious of you partly writing me off as newbie in some aspects.

[fallen angel]

And I'm a bit suspicious of your appeal to emotion. I'm not saying newbie behavior should be excused, all I am saying is you seem more like newb-

town

then newb-

scum

. Are you condoning your own lynch?

To be honest newbie behavior shouldnt be excused.

Id rather lynch a newbie townie then be beaten by a newbie behaving scum.

Im a little bit suspicious of you partly writing me off as newbie in some aspects.

Also, why do you find it suspicious that I consider you newbish?

[MafiaMann]

Im not condoning my lynch im condoning your reasoning for not lynching me. If you consider me more townie thats one thing but before you said leaning towards scum which led me to believe you thought i was scum.

Its not suspicious you find my newbieish its suspicious that you were using that as a reason not too lynch me.