Newbie 835: Game Over

[Webz]

That's what's so fun about mafia though. You vote someone and then judge their reaction. Then you contact your buddies and try to get whatever the hell is going on in the game.

vote: Double A

You say something about the advantages of voting, but you don't have a vote that stands.

Note: This is semi-random.

[Webz]

Clarification: You didn't post that in day 1, but you have posted in day.

[Kirbyoshi]

I don't have a vote that stands yet either. Does that make me scummy? Also, I re-rolled on random.org, and you came up.

Vote: Webz

[Webz]

I don't have a vote that stands yet either. Does that make me scummy? Also, I re-rolled on random.org, and you came up.

Vote: Webz

No, but you didn't say that outright... And now you aren't scummy!

[Devotress]

Random dot org gave me a 4. Since that's what all the cool kids are doing:

Vote Humble Poirot[/u]

[Devotress]

Editing the above post.

Vote Humble Poirot

[Webz]

Guys, Random.org is not helping our town win this game! It is really not the best way to go. If you think someone is scummy, even slightly, at the start, then vote for them rather than go completely random. The RVS is really quite boring and uneeded.

[Devotress]

People's random voting is just joke voting more then anything. From what I've watched before, joke voting's pretty common at the start of day one.

[Webz]

People's random voting is just joke voting more then anything. From what I've watched before, joke voting's pretty common at the start of day one.

My point, exactly. It has no purpose. It is actually anti-town. We want as much time for day 1 to make a lynch of a real mafia, with sufficient evidence. Evidence is not what happens in the RVS, right?

[Double A]

I said that in a game before and I got lynched

[Devotress]

My point, exactly. It has no purpose. It is actually anti-town. We want as much time for day 1 to make a lynch of a real mafia, with sufficient evidence. Evidence is not what happens in the RVS, right?

I agree with moving out of Random voting, but I still defend it initially starting. It's just akward posting habits, and does infact start very minor discussions, like even the tiny one we just had, is some discussion atleast.

I said that in a game before and I got lynched

5 people bandwaggoned on you THAT fast?

[Humble Poirot]

vote: orangepenguin

random.org

Why are you so interested in specifying that this was a complete random vote?

We start now?

I'm pretty sure when Thok says "as soon as he confirms," he means "as soon as he confirms."

Vote: Humble Poirot

My first time using random.org, ever.

The same as before.

Then just self-vote (because you're gonna change it anyway) or reroll. Random votes are a good way to get discussion going.

No. I don't think random votes ON THEIR OWN get discussion going but they give us something to do. Reactions to votes and waggons and all that will allow people to try and read others.

That's what's so fun about mafia though. You vote someone and then judge their reaction. Then you contact your

buddies

and try to get whatever the hell is going on in the game.

Sorry? Your buddies?

He's acting kind of edgy THEREFORE HE MUST BE SCUM

How serious do you consider this statement to be? How useful?

I don't have a vote that stands yet either. Does that make me scummy? Also, I re-rolled on random.org, and you came up.

Vote: Webz

if you felt that you had enough to respond and vote webz... why the need to say that webz "casually" came up in random.org?

I agree with Webz in that people shouldn't justify their votes with random.org. That leaves no space for reaction because there's no, however small, reason for the vote. No need to reply.

@Devotress: Are you comfy with joking for 20 days?

I said that in a game before and I got lynched

...
What do you mean? Is that a threat to webz or what? (

Poirot gasps

)

From what I have now... I need to decide wether to vote kirby or AA (Ha! Do you like that nick? Pure creativity)

but I will go with AA due to accumulated possible clues.

Vote Double A

[Devotress]

@Devotress: Are you comfy with joking for 20 days? ]

nah, just one day.

Though, as for that, I didn't realize you'd been given another random vote when I made mine, untill reading your post just now.

Unvote: Humble Poirot

Got to be carefull with votes when it's only 5 to lynch.

[Humble Poirot]

Devo... the game started in post # 29...

Yours vote was the only vote I had.

If I had 2 votes against me I would need 3 more votes to get lynched...

Do you seriously think that 3 players (even if 2 of them are scum) will vote me quickly and lynch me? Without reasons? Without making themselves awfully suspicious?

I think that L-1 (1 to lynch) might be a bit more dangerous but L-3 definetly isn't.

[Devotress]

Devo... the game started in post # 29...

Yours vote was the only vote I had.

If I had 2 votes against me I would need 3 more votes to get lynched...

Do you seriously think that 3 players (even if 2 of them are scum) will vote me quickly and lynch me? Without reasons? Without making themselves awfully suspicious?

I think that L-1 (1 to lynch) might be a bit more dangerous but L-3 definetly isn't.

oh sorry, I saw you quoted someoneing having voted for you, didn't realize it was before the day start.

When it's a joke vote, i'd rather it not even go to L-3.

[Kirbyoshi]

I said that in a game before and I got lynched

So, were you scum in that game?

[YamiJoey]

I totally just posted. I want my proper computer back. ¬_¬

I have to agree that Webz does look a tad scummy for being almost

too

pro-Town, but TBH Double A's point is just the same, only it's using a method I don't like. You're almost saying he's Mafia, just because it's possible.

FoS: Webz
FoS: Double A

Kirbyoshi: Yes. I mean - DAMNIT! xD

YJ

[Humble Poirot]

I have to agree that Webz does look a tad scummy for being almost

too

pro-Town

EXCUUUUUSE MEEE???

So... being too pro-town means someone is scummy? I don't understand...

oh... I knew I had read this somewhere...

Too Townie

Yours is a logical fallacy.

I'd like your opinions about it after you read the article. Does it change something? What? Why?

[YamiJoey]

I understand what the article is saying, (and thus; you) but there is the idea behind it. Trying to force themselves into being seen as Town rather than letting people simply assume it. Which is bad Mafia behaviour, if you ask me.

I understand that by keeping my position on this I'm looking scummy, but lets face it; this post can only reinforce anyone's suspicions unless I had other evidence as to why Webz would be Scum, which I don't as it is about the only thing that has happened so far.

I did also argue against my own point in that post, so it's clear that I did understand I had a flawed argument, but a pair of FoS' that had

]some

basis was better than random.org, isn't it?

YJ

[YamiJoey]

EBWOP: I know this also makes me look scummy, but I doubt that Double A (Semi-Experienced) would make a similar mistake, so I'll take him off of that list. I'd rather be wrong at the moment, as it's all I've seen to go off, but at the end of the day I have no proof.

YJ

[Thok]

Official Vote Count (deadline 9/23)

Double A (2): (Webz, Humble Poirot)
Webz (1): (Kirbyoshi)
Kirbyoshi (0):
YamiJoey (0):
Humble Poirot (0):
Devotress (0):
fallen angel (0):
yabbaguy (0):
orangepenguin (0):

Not Voting (6): (YamiJoey, Double A, fallen angel, yabbaguy, orangepenguin, Devotress)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Please let me know if I've made a mistake.

[Humble Poirot]

I understand what the article is saying, (and thus; you) but there is the idea behind it. Trying to force themselves into being seen as Town rather than letting people simply assume it. Which is bad Mafia behaviour, if you ask me.

I understand what you're saying. You mean that someone trying to auto-clear themselves may be scummy but this game is not just about finding scum, etc, etc. You also have to be readable (as town) so others may guess your allignment and act accordingly.

If you're an anti-town townie and you get lynched because of it you're only hurting your team's chances so I rather have 9 pro-town players, even if you consider them to be too pro town.

For the record, I'll take my time to call someone pro-town or anti-town and to call them scum or town.

I understand that by keeping my position on this I'm looking scummy, but lets face it; this post can only reinforce anyone's suspicions unless I had other evidence as to why Webz would be Scum, which I don't as it is about the only thing that has happened so far.

I did also argue against my own point in that post, so it's clear that I did understand I had a flawed argument, but a pair of FoS' that had

]some

basis was better than random.org, isn't it?

Way better than random org. All this talk is healthy. Knowing what everyone thinks will help us to read each other and determine who is more likely scum.

EBWOP: I know this also makes me look scummy, but I doubt that Double A (Semi-Experienced) would make a similar mistake, so I'll take him off of that list. I'd rather be wrong at the moment, as it's all I've seen to go off, but at the end of the day I have no proof.

mmm... I'm kinda lost... what's the mistake again? Why wouldn't an SE do that?

Mind you, there will never be "proof", just theories and deductions. Only PR's (in this game, only a cop) might have proof, and yet, he still needs to be believed by the town.

To the IC:

What course of action do you think is most proper to find scum in a newbie game?

[YamiJoey]

I honestly can't find what the hell I was talking about when I FoS'd Double A. I've just gone back to reference the post and I just don't see what I was talking about. I may have thought that post 39 was made by Double A and just made a mistake. That combined with the "Speak to my buddies" and no mension of Masons in the set-up made me suspicious of him and clouded my judgment when going through posts by him. (Or at least; I thought were by him.)

I've just caught myself doing the same thing again then, which is what made me reconsider what I was going to write in this post. (I read something you posted, and simply to create something to post, thought about picking up on it, even though I know why you said it.)

Unless that is a good action in order to try and gain some information. Should I ask a question, knowing what the answer

should

be?

YJ

[Double A]

Well by talking with my buddies I meant for games where the town can talk out of the game. In mafia either me or my partner normally ends up dying on day two so... yeah... well anyway check the link in my sig and you'll see a (huge) example of a game like I'm talking about

I said that in a game before and I got lynched

So, were you scum in that game?

Actually I was. But that wasn't the point. There was literally no evidence of me being scum. Besides jokes, which apparently are a no-no here.

*Puts on serious face*

No more humor. I will personally cut anyone trying to make a joke because that is wrong in a game.

[Kirbyoshi]

Kirbyoshi wrote:
AA wrote:
I said that in a game before and I got lynched


So, were you scum in that game?


Actually I was. But that wasn't the point. There was literally no evidence of me being scum. Besides jokes, which apparently are a no-no here.

So then, are you denying it's a scumtell? To me, although some things can't be called "scumtells" per se, scum will probably have the same attitude from game to game, and therefore do some of the same things. Not going to vote purely on meta, but I will

FoS: YamiJoey

.

Oh yeah, and

Unvote: Webz

because apparently, like AA said, joking is illegal in a game.