Mini #643: Time Capsule Mafia, Game Over

[petroleumjelly]

All players have confirmed -- since I had a couple questions, I decided to wait before officially opening the game so that roles with night-talking abilities would have time to talk with each other.

It is now

Day One

. With

12

players alive, it takes

7

votes to lynch! Deadline August 18, 9:59 pm Central District Time.

[Darox]

Vote: clammy

Obv scum for obv reasons.

[roffman]

vote darox

obv scum for obv reasons

[clammy]

vote: darox

Have to stick to tradition eh?

[SensFan]

Vote: Darox

, for reasons outlined above.

[Ythill]

Hello Sens and clammy. Feel free to confirm that I do not random vote.

Vote: Darox

so that we can lynch scum.

[Yosarian2]

5th post is the 4th vote on someone? Really?

vote:Ythill

[icemanE]

Yikes, L-1 already, that's completely nuts, especially in this setup! If we lynch him we won't even discover his alignment!

vote: Ythill

for placing the L-1 vote and

FoS: Clammy and SensFan

for placing the second and third baseless bandwagon votes.

Looks like we might be out of the random voting stage already.

[Yosarian2]

Not lynch -1, iceman, it's 7 votes to lynch in this game. But still, yeah, it's a really odd move.

[icemanE]

Counting - I'm doin' it wrong.

[Rotten Snitch]

Fos: Roffman, Clammy, Sens, Ythill

That was just ridiculous I wish it were that easy to find the scum though.

IcemanE - hooked on phonics <---- FAIL

[roffman]

a FOS for the first random vote on a random bandwagon?? really??

[Battousai]

Rotten Snitch, roffman was not suspicious as his vote was the first. IcemanE for The second random vote of a person isn't scummy in the wagon, IMO, because it happens all the time. All votes after that, though, a little suspicious.

I've only played with Yos before (current game), so this will make looking for inconsistancy harder.

Vote: Ythill

for placing a serious vote on someone, placing them at L-3, when they haven't even posted yet.

[Rotten Snitch]

No Roff wasn't as suspicious for the first vote but he was part of it and I gave everyone a FoS for it cause it was way too early and way too quick for that wagon to gain speed. Felt fishy is all. So I included everyone.

with 12 players I'd expect a wagon in the random phase just not in the first 5 posts

[icemanE]

It seems like there's a history between Clammy and Darox - therefore I'm not overly suspicious of Clammy. Roff's was the first vote, so he's not too suspicious either. It's Sens and Y that come off scummy for 3rd and 4th BW votes so early.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Vote: yosarian2

for voting ythill for voting darox.

I don't think we can actually draw anything from the darox votes. . . but one of these days, that sort of cavalier attitude toward wagoning is going to bite a town in the ass.

[Ythill]

Marvelous.

unvote

My bandwagoning was meant to accomplish two things: end the random phase and provide information. It's done both.

@ Yos & Batt: Your votes jump to a conclusion. Please explain why my vote L-3 would have been more likely to come from scum.

@ ice: Feel free to answer the above if it applies, and please explain how you managed to be so mistaken about the vote count.

@ Snitch: Please answer what I've posed to Yos & Batt but as regards all of the people you have FoSed. And, out of curiosity, why so much suspicion without a vote?

FTR: I think Yos is far too experienced to vote me when he did if he was scum. Yes, it's WIFOM and therefore somewhat unreliable, but I'm noting it as a towntell.

[icemanE]

please explain how you managed to be so mistaken about the vote count.

I just finished a game today (Mini 618) so I was in endgame mode - got confused.

Please explain why my vote L-3 would have been more likely to come from scum.

It's Sens and Y that come off scummy for 3rd and 4th BW votes so early.

Bandwagons are great, on scummy people. Darox hasn't done anything even remotely scummy yet, so the BW is uncalled for. I can see it getting to two or maybe even three, but 4 is crazy, especially 4 straight posts in a row. The ease with which you withdrew your vote comes off a tad suspicious as well - once your vote was questioned, you pulled it. Your claim that you BW voted for info and to end the RV stage seems legitimate though, and you're correct that you accomplished both.

unvote - vote: Snitch

for the FoS fest without a vote.

[Rotten Snitch]

My bandwagoning was meant to accomplish two things: end the random phase and provide information. It's done both

Well your post answers your question to me. If your bandwagon was the attempt to take us out of random voting then my random vote would have come too late.

I gave FoS because it was suspicious that we had a player for no reason put at L-3 in 5 posts total.
the reasons why that wagon formed:

vote darox obv scum for obv reasons

What is obscum about Darrox?

vote: darox
Have to stick to tradition eh?

And what tradition are you refering to?

Vote: Darox, for reasons outlined above

And what are those reasons Sens? Tradition or obv scum?

Hello Sens and clammy. Feel free to confirm that I do not random vote.

Vote: Darox so that we can lynch scum

If you do not random vote, why vote Darox and say he is scum? What additional knowledge do you have that we the town do not?
What benefit do you have for rushing out of Random Voting Stage?

I think that is a good enough reason to FoS all of you because I cannot vote all four at once.

Again seems as though your attempt to take us out of the random stage is successful so why try to redirect the attention to me for not voting?

Now I will vote

Vote: Ythill

Not random - you seem too rushed to be townie right now. Nice try though.

Does that answer why I gave out four FoS's?

[melikefood]

D=
I missed a bunch...

FoS SweatpantsNinja

I don't think defending this bandwagon is very town.

[SensFan]

please explain how you managed to be so mistaken about the vote count.

I just finished a game today (Mini 618) so I was in endgame mode - got confused.

I find it hard to believe that it was 5 to lynch in an endgame scenario.

On another note, I'll ask that no one attempts to make assumptions on whether or not my vote was random. I do not randomly vote at the start of any game I am in.

[Yosarian2]

Marvelous.

unvote

My bandwagoning was meant to accomplish two things: end the random phase and provide information. It's done both.

@ Yos & Batt: Your votes jump to a conclusion. Please explain why my vote L-3 would have been more likely to come from scum.

(shrug) I'm not interested in WIFOMing it, Ythill, or getting into a "would scum do something so obveously scummy" debate. Doing that with no explination, pushing a wagon that far with absolutly no reason, seems to me to be an anti-town move, and one that could theoretically have ended quite badly; if one more person followed your lead, he would have been at lynch -2, and might felt forced to clain or something. Page 1, day 1, I see someone act in an apparently anti-town way, I'm going to vote for them.

TheSweatpantsNinja: Was that a random vote, or do you really have a problem with my ythill vote here?

[Ythill]

I gave FoS because it was suspicious that we had a player for no reason put at L-3 in 5 posts total.

Why was it suspicious? What would scum have to gain in that situation?

If you do not random vote, why vote Darox and say he is scum?

I explained why I voted, and it was not random. I never said Darox was scum, I said I was voting him so that we could lynch scum. Are you reading for content, or just looking for excuses to suspect people?

What additional knowledge do you have that we the town do not?

My own role and alignment, and whether or not I have paper.

....why try to redirect the attention to me for not voting?

I did no such thing. I posted to fish for overreaction and I questioned

everyone

that responded in bold. Nor did I accuse you. Why are you being defensive?

...you seem too rushed to be townie right now.

This accusation, the sole explicit reason for your vote, doesn't make any sense. To catch scum, we need to get as much information into the thread as possible. What would be pro-town about wasting time?

Will you admit that you're feeling a little OMGUS?

[Ythill]

I don't think defending this bandwagon is very town.

Why not? What about it hurts the town or helps the scum?

@ Sens: QFT and noted.

...if one more person followed your lead, he would have been at lynch -2, and might felt forced to clain or something.

Nonsense. By voting, you suggest that you believe I am scum which, in a 12 person game, means there are probably only 2 more. Would they vote to L-1 and then hammer? Would it hurt the town if they did, to get one mislynch? Darox was

never

in danger, especially if I am the play.

Your fear-mongering is scummy. You know this game well enough to know how uncommon page 1 mislynches are. Besides, what makes you think it would have been a mislynch?

[melikefood]

I don't think defending this bandwagon is very town.

Why not? What about it hurts the town or helps the scum?

I was sorta thinking that the bandwagon was heading for a lynch.
I think only one vote is enough for pressure.