Thespival Mafia (Denouement)

[hasdgfas]

powerless night

[Battle Mage]

erm, you just did post more than 2 words. also, are abbreviations allowed?
i.e. QFT, OMFG, WTF

BM

[hasdgfas]

Read Mute

[RossWilliam]

so you have a night power as well as the random powers? I think everyone would appreciate it if you sacrificied your night power tonight just to explain everything. People are getting suspicious. aren't powers on night one, other tha scum, of course, kinda random and arbitrary anyway? it's up to you.

[hasdgfas]

Random : Night

[Talitha]

I am nowhere NEAR up to date with this game - I'm still away from home - but I wanted to mention my thoughts about the mostly mute thing. My first reaction when I saw it was that is could be a scum role. Is my memory correct that Thesp won that game as scum at Thespival?

[QuickBen]

Actually no, I'm saying that if you're town you should have just shut up and paid attention to who, if anyone, fell for the trap. Its flaw was semi obvious to anyone who was paying attention and the point was that if its flaw didn't affect you, why bother saying anything? I'm not the Jester. Do I give two mouse turds if mith and pooky want to try and convince him/her to come forward? Nope. Did I see the logical issue with the request? Yup. Is it my job as a townie to direct a neutral role in how to play it? Nope. If we have a SK are you going to start giving *them* directions on how not to be found? If I wanted to lynch you, I would have voted you. I actually didn't remember that my vote was on MOS. I'll remove that at the end of the post. (thanks CKD) You managed to misrepresent my entire post BM, which really set off the scumdar, but could be chalked up to crappy reading comprehension skills.

@CKD- My thoughts on GS (as opposed to BM) were actually someone who wasn't actively trying to be a pain in the ass. He seemed genuinely confused about the plan and was asking questions that I would have asked if I suspected a little misdirection. Is it possible that he's the Jester? Sure. But unless we have a townie lie detector, we're not gonna know for sure.

[QuickBen]

unvote

[Battle Mage]

Actually no, I'm saying that if you're town you should have just shut up and paid attention to who, if anyone, fell for the trap. Its flaw was semi obvious to anyone who was paying attention and the point was that if its flaw didn't affect you, why bother saying anything? I'm not the Jester. Do I give two mouse turds if mith and pooky want to try and convince him/her to come forward? Nope. Did I see the logical issue with the request? Yup. Is it my job as a townie to direct a neutral role in how to play it? Nope. If we have a SK are you going to start giving *them* directions on how not to be found? If I wanted to lynch you, I would have voted you. I actually didn't remember that my vote was on MOS. I'll remove that at the end of the post. (thanks CKD) You managed to misrepresent my entire post BM, which really set off the scumdar, but could be chalked up to crappy reading comprehension skills.

Despite the fact that i appreciate you conceding some blame for this argument, you have still failed to meet my request, which was to name 1 suspect you have which isnt based solely on OMGUS.
I mean, at least try and look like you're scumhunting.

BM

[petroleumjelly]

wolfcrier, my vote is on you for a few reasons. Here are a few:

1.)

You call mith "very scummy" while at the same time tacitly agreeing to his plan by claiming to not be the Jester.

2.)

You claim that mith's "logic was off" without referring to the logic of other players who agreed with mith.

3.)

The main reason is your Post 273. Earlier you claimed you were "reluctant to vote" (Post 231), yet you seem fine putting the

ninth

vote on Greasy Spot after you had thought mith was "very scummy". You call Greasy Spot both "hypocritical" and "illogical" without explaining how either of those two characterizations apply to Greasy Spot.

4.)

You follow up that post with Post 313, still without explaining how hypocritical (much less illogical) applies to Greasy Spot, and additionally wanting us to "get the day over with".

~~~~~

Some questions for you:

A.)

Why were you "reluctant" to vote earlier, and now you want the day to be over quickly?

B.)

If you believed mith's "logic was off", how would Greasy Spot disagreeing be "illogical"?

C.)

Why have you not explained how you believe Greasy Spot to be both hypocritical and illogical? Additionally,

how

has Greasy Spot been both hypocritical and illogical?

D.)

Has your opinion on the matter changed now that it has been made clear the Jester plan was a trap?

E.)

Did you realize your vote was the ninth vote on Greasy Spot?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Battle Mage, your explanation is not acceptable. You may have thought that we were not making sense, but what possessed you to fight it? What possible protown motive could you have for telling the Jester that we will profit if they claim Day 1?

Notice: I will be leaving Mafiascum in the near future. As a result, I will be cutting back on games where possible. I'm going to try not to be replaced if I can, but this is an advance notice that my activity WILL decrease.

[al_kohaulec]

*Doesnt see what Al Ko is getting at*

That's ok.

[wolfcrier]

wolfcrier, my vote is on you for a few reasons. Here are a few:

1.)

You call mith "very scummy" while at the same time tacitly agreeing to his plan by claiming to not be the Jester.

2.)

You claim that mith's "logic was off" without referring to the logic of other players who agreed with mith.

3.)

The main reason is your Post 273. Earlier you claimed you were "reluctant to vote" (Post 231), yet you seem fine putting the

ninth

vote on Greasy Spot after you had thought mith was "very scummy". You call Greasy Spot both "hypocritical" and "illogical" without explaining how either of those two characterizations apply to Greasy Spot.

4.)

You follow up that post with Post 313, still without explaining how hypocritical (much less illogical) applies to Greasy Spot, and additionally wanting us to "get the day over with".

~~~~~

Some questions for you:

A.)

Why were you "reluctant" to vote earlier, and now you want the day to be over quickly?

B.)

If you believed mith's "logic was off", how would Greasy Spot disagreeing be "illogical"?

C.)

Why have you not explained how you believe Greasy Spot to be both hypocritical and illogical? Additionally,

how

has Greasy Spot been both hypocritical and illogical?

D.)

Has your opinion on the matter changed now that it has been made clear the Jester plan was a trap?

E.)

Did you realize your vote was the ninth vote on Greasy Spot?

A. I was reluctant because I was afraid I missed something before reading everything and yes because 18 pages over one day makes me think that this day will never end.

B. If you are going to use that as evidence.. read all my posts because I I mistook the names because I tried reading all the post at once and the names sorta mixed together.

C. For instance post 94 "The rules don't say anything about the Jestor losing from a nightkill. The rules state he wins if he doesn't get Lynched the first day. That's it. Nothing else.

And any place other than winning is losing." Thats generally not true use some logic.

D. No not particularly considering I have no doubt the GS is NOT the jester.

E. I realized that I was one of many who voted for him/her but I didn't really keep track.

Hope that clears things up

WC

[Greasy Spot]

Let's take these past 18 pages and think back thru them.

Why am I being voted so much? Well because I verbally doubted the plan for the Jester to claim his role on Day 1 so the Town could protect him. I honestly believed they were talking crap and like Mafia. I didn't know they had formulated a "plan".

Does that really show that I am scum? Well maybe I am 'scummy' for doing that but that does not make me a member of the Mafia. It does show that I must be ignorant to miss the plan, oh, wait...but I wasn't at Thespival. I didn't know a plan was hatched.

Why weren't you at Thespival? For starters I didn't even know what Thespival was before I came here at I didn't even come here till January 3rd 2008, a little over a month ago.

Does that excuse my behavior? No it doesn't but it also doesn't warrant my lynching at this time, unless you are playing for the Mafia.

Ok, so I hope I have made this clear.

I am not the Jester. I am not Mafia

Does this seem like I am trying to save my neck? Yes it does. I do not want to be lynched when so many Mafia are running loose in this Town.

[hasdgfas]

so many?

[Battle Mage]

Alot of AtoE in that post, not to mention repetition.

FoS: GreasySpot

Not likely to become a vote with Quickben still alive, but still, BM is watching.

BM

[Greasy Spot]

What is AtoE?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

appeal to emotion

[Battle Mage]

Townie points to the Pookster. lol

[mith]

I agree with BM on the Appeal to Emotion... that last sentence especially rubs me the wrong way. I don't want to be lynched

at all

, because I am an innocent and my being lynched hurts the town. I don't understand bringing up how many scum there are -

especially when we innocents don't know how many there are

- other than as some sort of scare tactic.

GS, my vote on you has nothing to do with your newbieness, or whether you were at Thespival, or anything outside of this game. It is entirely based on your reaction... not even your reaction to the trap itself, but to the follow up interrogation.

Your defense is essentially saying "but I didn't

know

I wasn't supposed to react that way", which is, of course, not the point. The point is that you

did

react that way, and fell into a weak version of the trap. You didn't outright claim Jester, as I was hoping the Mafia would, but you did react in a way that makes me strongly suspect you are scum.

hasdgfas: Let me get this straight. Is it correct that you only get your "random night ability" if you get the town (or some part of it, I don't care about the details just yet) to say [word] AND if you stick to your mostly mute restriction for the day? Is it also correct that you are willing to wait on people saying [word] until tomorrow? (Two yes/no answers, please.)

(I haven't quite finished catching up. If there's a question directed at me I missed, I'll get to it later (or repost it).)

[hasdgfas]

yes
yes

[petroleumjelly]

hasdgfas, since the town won't be saying [word] enough for you to use a random ability tonight, then you have no reason to continue following your restriction. "Wanting" to continue using your restriction is not going to cut it.

B. If you are going to use that as evidence.. read all my posts because I I mistook the names because I tried reading all the post at once and the names sorta mixed together.

Please explain who you mistook to be doing what. I am not clear on this.

Where -- in your opinion -- has Greasy Spot been hypocritical?

[mith]

What pj said (that's exactly where I was going with this).

I want a full explanation from hasdgfas, or I will be moving my vote to him. Right now, I don't buy his claim.

[Thesp]

Official Vote Count

Note:

Cult of the Couch Members:

1 (tyhess)

Greasy Spot - 8

(curiouskarmadog, mith, PookyTheMagicalBear, Captain Bandwagon,

Cult of the Couch (1)

, Iammars, Mastermind of Sin, wolfcrier)

Mastermind of Sin - 1

(Dani Banani)

Iammars - 1

(hasdgfas)

Dani Banani - 1

(MeMe)

QuickBen - 1

(Battle Mage)

wolfcrier - 1

(petroleumjelly)

Not Voting - 8

(al_kohaulec, Dark Ermac, RossWilliam, Talitha, Holy, Greasy Spot, Fletcher, QuickBen)

With 21 alive, it's 11 to lynch.

Deadline in ~8 days. Prodding the 5 players who haven't posted in the last 72 hours, replacing the non-responders.

[tyhess]

Let's take these past 18 pages and think back thru them.

Why am I being voted so much? Well because I verbally doubted the plan for the Jester to claim his role on Day 1 so the Town could protect him. I honestly believed they were talking crap and like Mafia. I didn't know they had formulated a "plan".

Does that really show that I am scum? Well maybe I am 'scummy' for doing that but that does not make me a member of the Mafia. It does show that I must be ignorant to miss the plan, oh, wait...but I wasn't at Thespival. I didn't know a plan was hatched.

Why weren't you at Thespival? For starters I didn't even know what Thespival was before I came here at I didn't even come here till January 3rd 2008, a little over a month ago.

Does that excuse my behavior? No it doesn't but it also doesn't warrant my lynching at this time, unless you are playing for the Mafia.

Ok, so I hope I have made this clear.

I am not the Jester. I am not Mafia

Does this seem like I am trying to save my neck? Yes it does. I do not want to be lynched when so many Mafia are running loose in this Town.

Still, there was no reason to drag out your claim of not being Jester. You should have claimed and then decided what you were going to do after there was a claim by a jester. There was no reason to argue the plan one way or another until a jester claimed, usnless, of course, you are the jester.