klebian wrote:Well, I'm a soldier as well. Unfortunately, unlike dahen, I HAVEN'T been dropping hints throughout the game, because I don't consider myself a likley nightkill, and I also didn't think the gorillas knew that they were looking for someone, so I didn't think there's much one can do to drop hints when the person you're dropping them for doesn't have a clue...
I do think thok should give his results later in the day, because it seems like he's a likely nightkill for tonight. PJ is obviously confirmed, since he was first to claim, and... well, never mind, my thinking mirrors PJ and his is better worded.
Before I dismiss this thought from my mind, inhim couldn't have ACTUALLY been an unroleblocker, could he have? kthx.
In this post, Klebian tries to associate with PJ and Dahen as a Gorilla Soldier, as he basically claims the same role as both of them. I'm not sure why a Gorilla would want to basically start massclaiming. No need to rush things. I do, however, see how a Space Monkey would want to fit in; less likely to be investigated if someone along the way (such as PJ) decides to vouch for you. Klebian, could you explain what was going through your head when you decided to roleclaim?
(Also, a side-comment to that last question: I don't think inHim was really an unroleblocker. He definitely claimed an interesting role, but it seemed quite obviously fake to everyone involved. I suppose this might be confirmed/denied if Thok gets roleblocked and obtains no result, as the truth of inHim's role is basically only useful if there's an SM-Roleblocker around.)
Klebian wrote:I was under the impression that what my PM meant was that I would get 'found' if my group attempted to kill me. I didn't realize that there was actual 'hunting' for gorillas "going on". That may just be inexperience; I am not familiar with traitor roles and I guess I just assumed incorrectly. That's why I said in my quoted post 'I don't consider myself a likley nightkill'. This is just me being stupid.
Okay, now this I can see. Traitors are generally recruited when targeted by a scumgroup, so there's no need to assume that you'll be
killed
instead. I would have come to the same conclusion if I had a Traitor/Soldier role (Note: This is not an indication one way or another whether I am a Soldier or not; just saying, this is how I would have interpreted it as well.)
PJ brings up an interesting point about how it's dangerous to assume that he is a Gorilla based solely on the claim -- that's something that I had periphially considered, but it didn't sound likely to me at the time. Klebian's response is almost as interesting:
Klebian wrote:I don't know if they're all uniform; the way you described your role is the same as my PM. I considered this, however I dismissed it because I think that the scum have earned enough of an advantage with 3 days of town confusion. Similar to your logic about godfathers/millers, I do not think that the mod would give the scum a generic townie PM coupled with the entire town thinking they are the scum.
Again, he basically says that he's got the same role, PM, etc... which I guess isn't unjustified, as he had already claimed at the time. But he alos says that he assumed that scum would not be given generic Soldier/Townie/What-Have-You role PMs in addition to the backwardsness. On the other hand, when the shit hits the proveribal fan for the scums and we figure things out, any sort of emphasis on
flavorful claiming
pretty much screws them over. As Thok said, it's definitely possible to weed out a fake claim based on flavor alone. Those kinds of things can break a game, so I would actually expect Stoof to give the Space Monkeys an out when the town finally does figure things out. Could you expand a little more on why you don't think SMs would be given PMs (or at least flavor) from the Gorilla perspective?
I love the juicy irony of this paragraph:
Klebian wrote:PJ, I reread the last few pages, and I feel you're being a bit to naiive about Glork. It's interesting that you guys have been butting heads for the past 2.5 days, and today after your claim, he accepts your claim, agrees that monkeys are scum, and now you're fairly convinced he's town. I believe that a space monkey could've easily made 533 as a gorilla. At this point, I think a smart monkey would've seen that their 'cover' for the game was blown, and decided to reveal the truth. Obviously, others were discovering it as well, so it's quite possible that glork made good use of the perfect opportunity to become buddies with one of the most influential town members. Not much of his post is written from a point of view that I would consider solely gorilla, and I as well am feeling that glork is not as confirmed as we may think.
This is where I have to watch my OMGUS tendencies a little bit, since Klebian attempts to discredit me... but the gist of this paragraph is, "It's distinctly possible that Glork, as a Space Monkey tried to sneak into the middle of the 'revelation' so as to look more confirmed." I find it beyond amusing that Klebian suggests that I might be doing so and that I shouldn't be confirmed, when I think that the same argument/evidence can be brought up against him.
So... yeah. I think Klebian might have trying to be a somewhat active, "look at me, I fit in" kind of scumbag. I guess my short list of people who need to die or be looked at is as follows:
Nightson
StD
Klebian
Twito
