orangepenguin wrote:Yeah, but the people who did it after those initial two did it as a result of the first two. One of them even did a "random vote" in jest, making fun of the whole thing.
YJ, this is enough of a reason for me to clear that vote as not suspicious. I'm not trying to pressure you into thinking anything, but this is enough for me.
It's at the bottom where it says "Displays post from previous:" and then has a boxes that say [All Posts (v)] by [All users (v)] [Oldest First (v)] Go is not implemented yet.
Thanks a lot man.
I'm assuming that you still see AA as the most scummy, since you still have your vote on him. Is this true?
Okay, giving my run down on people so far:
Kirbyoshi:
I'm pretty sure when Thok says "as soon as he confirms," he means "as soon as he confirms."
Vote: Humble Poirot
My first time using random.org, ever.
Then:
I don't have a vote that stands yet either. Does that make me scummy? Also, I re-rolled on random.org, and you came up.
Vote: Webz
I don't think this is random, like OP has said. You're probably making harmless fun though, but you still are doing nothing to help town.
Then just self-vote (because you're gonna change it anyway) or reroll. Random votes are a good way to get discussion going.
Never self-vote (as town). Even just saying this gives me mafia vibes. The best way to get a bandwagon is to pressure people into it by seeing where the votes are. A self-vote helps no one, at least if they're town. Random votes hardly ever get discussion going. It's the single vote that isn't completely random that actually gets the ball rolling.
So then, are you denying it's a scumtell? To me, although some things can't be called "scumtells" per se, scum will probably have the same attitude from game to game, and therefore do some of the same things. Not going to vote purely on meta, but I will FoS: YamiJoey.
Oh yeah, and Unvote: Webz because apparently, like AA said, joking is illegal in a game.
You do realise that the person who the original comment was directed at was ME, not YJ? So you are giving no hard evidence before your FOS? Sloppiness is not what we want here.
Haha, joking about not joking. Haha. Have fun, man...
I'd be careful saying this kind of stuff,a tleast until the IC is cleared. ICs are just as likely to be scum as the rest of us.
The IC is bound to pretty much answer either way. This is, in a way, sparking mistrust and denying us information. Whether this is a subtle scum push or a red herring, I am not quite sure.
Are you trying to shut me up? Afraid I'll out you as scum?
I have a lot that I don't like about this post. You have nothing of evidence against HP, but you still call him out as scum, and try to spark an unneeded rivalry. Please, no. Indeed, your post before was, if anything, not against HP for asking the question, but against believing 100% what the IC says. This is the post where the "brawl" between you and HP starts, and it is completely pointless and based on what I see as a scummy conclusion to his reply.
Kirbyoshi wrote:I don't think I was spoiling the purpose of your question at all; I didn't answer for "OP the IC", nor did my comment keep him from answering any question posed to him.
HP wrote:I'd let people answer before I comment on questions not posed to myself.
Thank you.
I still think this part of the post is meant to stifle me. It's not working, but it's worth noting that it seems like "Hercules" is trying to stop me from speaking my mind when I want to. Any thoughts from anyone else?
Mod Edit: Fixing quote tags
No, you weren't trying to answer the question. You were doing the opposite, trying to invalidate the answer, and null the question.
And no, you shouldn't take this as a personal attack. The fact that you took ADVICE in a purely townie way as a threat is the scummiest thing that you've done so far. The "any thoughts from anyone else" is asking for a wagon, which will not come, and showing that your logic is not sound.
Ok, I was going off of my experience in a newbie game on another site where a vet gave advice to the SK to claim, and then the person who pointed out that that's NOT what the SK is supposed to do was labeled as scummy. While there is no SK in this game, and I don't think OP would tell scum to claim, I thought the same basic principles could apply to this game. Apparently the ICs here are bound to follow the guidelines in the "Being a Good IC" article. Makes for a better game, imo
It's good that you think that he will be a fair IC. So why your original comment about this. Also, this post could plant seeds of doubt against who could be our most helpful and experienced townie. I'm not sure if this really is a tell, but it's definitely a push in the scum direction.
Kirbyoshi wrote:So, what you're saying is that once a question is posed, no one is supposed to post anything pertaining to that subject until the question is answered?
Yes and no. Don't try and give the possible scum a good basis for a good answer. (Though this is clearly not the case here, as it is a question to the IC. I mean, the fact that you can give him an answer, not that he can't be scum.)
HP wrote:I don't want you to answer for others before they even post.
I wasn't answering for him, I was simply commenting on your question, and giving you some advice that I thought was good. You don't have to follow it if you don't want to.
Yes, the first part was right. You were giving advice, but it doesn't seem to me to be good advice. And he DOES need to follow. We need as many people with as comprehensive as possible knowledge about what words were flung and why, that way we are not stumped when a valuable player is nightkilled.
HP wrote:Why don't you say so instead of just saying "it's worth noting" without explaining what conclusion you may get...?
Because I'm not 100% sure it's scummy, but it may be a secondary reason for a vote, if it comes to that.
Now YOU'RE interpreting your action of saying "don't necessarily regard the answer to this question" as an attack, though a spineless one, on the asker? I think you were getting blinded, at this point, to what was going on and only looking at HP and the noose. Not a good thing.
HP wrote:Why do you feel the need to ask for someone elses opinion of what you read? in general?
Because I know that if everyone disagrees with me, I'm probably wrong. Also, I asked for OTHER people's thoughts, not yours. I'd appreciate it if you didn't answer questions that aren't addressed to you, thanks. (c wut ah did thar?)
This isn't a good line of thinking. Say what you think, even if it sounds "scummy", be firm of what you think, and if you're cut down by someone who has more experience than you because your argument is invalid, you've learnt. That's what these games are about, afterall. Also, he's adressing your whole post, and not answering the question, but asking about the asking (which is similar to what you did to him before.)
Because this took so long, I'll submit it now, so I can dig around while people can read what I've said.