433: Dry, bland, generic mafia: Game Over

[petroleumjelly]

School's been busier than I expected. I will note, however, that I voted gorkcat quite a while ago, so he should technically be at three votes. For safety's sake, however, I will formally

Unvote: Gorkcat

so there isn't a hammer with TSQ magically counting my presently uncounted vote before we're through with discussion.

[Dasquian]

So um... is that it, flea? Anything else to add?

[gorckat]

re: Gorc's previous games

Yes, I did, and I don't think they're in your favor.

Also, I'm finding something a bit off about how Gorc keeps asking me if I've read his games... I can't decide if it's scummy or not yet, but I'm posting this for later reference.

Home from vacation. Responding to this since it's sort of directed at me.

I kept asking because you asked OTM and myself for them (as I've said). You mentioned how his helped you form an opinion of his play. If anything (specific) I'd done in one of those games shades your opinion here, I'd be curious what and why, if only to respond to it.

More when I finish re-reading.

[gorckat]

Noting for OMGUS and possible irony if I get lynched (in part) for my vote-hopping on Day 1 :

3) I am a townie who purposely moves his vote around in order to get reactions and figure out who is who. I reanalyze the bandwagon constantly instead of sticking with my gut feeling.

I think Dasq makes good sense here (taken a bit out of context- the whole post responds to OTM, iirc, and presents a couple scenarios):

...and actually the ssf bandwagon picked up speed due to its merits as a correct bandwagon... a scum looking scummy and getting bandwagonned for it has got to happen some of the time, right?

The quacking, flapping, swimming thing that sounds, looks and moves like a duck could just very well

be

a duck.

flea hasn't done anything to make me feel like I'm in the wrong place. OTM has re-raised my eyebrow with his recent comments.

[Off the Mark]

he quacking, flapping, swimming thing that sounds, looks and moves like a duck could just very well be a duck.

The only way the ssf bandwagon moved along as a result of being correct is if Pie and kilm are the other 2 scum, and I can't accept that. I also can't accept a quick bus when scum has a chance to win today with a mislynch + a good night for them. There is still a good chance that ssf is the SK.

[Dasquian]

What if Pie and

petroleumjelly

are the other two scum? In any case, I already said how scum might well bus ssf - they may well not want to bank on having a good night, and so must play defensively to ensure they get neither lynched nor NKed.

At this point, ssf is posting elsewhere and hasn't put in nearly the kind of effort I'd have hoped for to save his skin. I don't know whether this is out-of-game laziness or a deliberate choice, but either way it's not making me a happy Dasquian

[Off the Mark]

I am pretty confident pj is town.

[Off the Mark]

I guess SK is a possibility too, for pj.

[somestrangeflea]

At this point, ssf is posting elsewhere and hasn't put in nearly the kind of effort I'd have hoped for to save his skin. I don't know whether this is out-of-game laziness or a deliberate choice, but either way it's not making me a happy Dasquian

I'm keeping up with this, and I'm not posting, although to be honest, I don't know why... There's something about this game that is making it incredibly difficult for me to actually think of words to say...

I will, however, say that I am slightly disturbed by Dasquian beginning to create cases on other players (namely PJ) based on the assumption that I'm scum. DO NOT WANT. =P

[Dasquian]

...only as a response to OTM's conviction that the way the voting's gone means you can't be scum. If I wanted to build a case against pj, it wouldn't be as naive as "didn't vote for scummy ssf", although that might well feature. It certainly wouldn't be a premature "isn't voting for ssf who I think is scummy".

[gorckat]

vote: OTM

Both times he voted me, he does it as an "experiment" or to see "where this goes". The first time he was convinced he was wrong and shot over to flea (then string). I do not see it as impossible to be bussing- if string bailed on him, he's got to cut his losses (I was in a similar spot Newb 310 until MoS replaced Seol.)

[Off the Mark]

I am not experimenting anymore, my friend. Hypothesis confirmed by Pete D's behavior.

[Off the Mark]

I do not see it as impossible to be bussing

So you think I stayed up in the middle of the night and posted a huge PBPA on my scumbuddy which made him look guilty to everybody else? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Feeling pretty good about this vote on gorckat now.

[gorckat]

Scum can do great pro-town analysis too, ya know. Especially when townies legitimately look scummy.

Then it follows that they can bus a partner via analysis when it suits their own survival, especially when the partner is scummy looking.

Funny how that second, experimental vote on me was done while I was out of town (granted- I had hoped to post while away).

[Off the Mark]

It follows that they

could

, but it doesn't necessarily follow that they

would

. That is a different analysis.

I had no idea you were out of town when I voted for you. It didn't factor into my decision.

It's kinda funny you are arguing that superstring was scummy, and that scum would bus him. YOU voted him too, you know. But I'm pretty convinced he's actually town now, based on the bandwagon, and on this comment:

I will, however, say that I am slightly disturbed by Dasquian beginning to create cases on other players (namely PJ) based on the assumption that I'm scum. DO NOT WANT. =P

Major townie vibes there.

[gorckat]

I still think he's good for scum. Just with you now.

Why wouldn't scum say exactly what flea did?

What's the difference between that and you saying 'gorc and pete are scum' (not a dircet quote, but very close I'm sure, without going back to quote something specific)? He has a problem with Das looking for pairings that make sense given he hasn't been hammered, but you can do it yourself?

[Off the Mark]

He has a problem with Das looking for pairings that make sense given he hasn't been hammered, but you can do it yourself?

Yep.

[petroleumjelly]

*posting in-between classes*

SSF, just set aside a single freaking real-life day for this

one

game. It is

not

that difficult to read through this game - it takes two to three hours to read it in detail, and you've been in the game for about 18 real-life days now - bordering on three weeks.

I'm also getting a vague impression that OTM and Gorkcat are playing "hot potato" with SSF; they keep tossing him around as each others' scum-partner, but they are each voting each other and

not

SSF. This is being noted because it lessens the likelihood that OTM and Gorkcat are scum together - if that were the case, it would make much more sense for them to vote for SSF, the "common" suspicion from each of them.

[Off the Mark]

I don't think ssf and gorckat are scum together. Not at all. I think gorckat and Pete D are scum together.

I just wanted to point out to gorckat the hypocrisy of his argument, since he was so intent on insisting that ssf could be scum and scum could be bussing him.

[gorckat]

He has a problem with Das looking for pairings that make sense given he hasn't been hammered, but you can do it yourself?

Yep.

Yah. Hypocrite is I.

[Off the Mark]

Different reasons though. Plus I'm tired of arguing with scum.

[Dasquian]

Your case is far from made, in my eyes at least. I'd like it if you could explain those reasons - your "I'm right and that's all there is to it" attitude isn't going to be enough to get my support, at least.

In any case, right now, I want to know why the pressure isn't still entirely focussed on ssf. superstring was by far and away the best lynch candidate before he got replaced, and ssf

really

hasn't done anything to change that. There may be merit in cases against pete d and gorckat, but I'm not sure why they're worth drawing attention away from ssf who is lurking and apparently getting away with it.

Also, I liked pj's last post, fwiw.

[Off the Mark]

I have tried to play "convince the town" in this game before, and it never works out well. I feel I have made the evidence pretty clear. If other townies don't agree and don't want to vote for gorckat, that's their problem, not mine.

Just look at the voting pattern, and you'll see what I see. I don't expect to convince you Dasq, as you are still the most likely 3rd scum in my book. Superstring/ssf is the perfect easy target for today's mislynch, from a scum perspective.

[gorckat]

Das- I'm more than willing to be the hammer on flea. I think OTM is just as good a candidate.

[Dasquian]

Just look at the voting pattern, and you'll see what I see. I don't expect to convince you Dasq, as you are still the most likely 3rd scum in my book. Superstring/ssf is the perfect easy target for today's mislynch, from a scum perspective.

Yeah, you see, I know you're wrong about me being scum which in turn completely undermines your credibility for your vote. A mild OMGUS, if you like, but with a serious point - I'm sitting here thinking, if I can get labelled as "most likely 3rd scum" simply for vocally disagreeing with you, why shouldn't I think your 1st and 2nd are just also townies who said something you didn't like at some point?

I don't think your voting patterns are convincing on their own. I don't think your hypocrisy helps your case. I don't know why I should think gorckat is scummy when you're being pulled up on inconsistencies and double-standards and refusing to answer for them.

Added to all of that, ssf's accusation that I was setting pj up for a scum pairing is totally off-base anyway (which, I note, you were happy to support - apparently he's back on your town list, now?). If I'm going to point out potential pairings, I'd say you and ssf look pretty good right now.