Read Your Role Mafia - Game Over

[petroleumjelly]

TOWN

Which-of-these-is-not-like-the-other Cop

As a child, you spent way too much time watching Sesame Street. You have a Snuffleupagus plushie to keep you company at night, and a rubber duckie for the bathtub. You also have become particularly adept at telling when two things are not the same.

Each night, you may investigate one player. You may not investigate yourself. Your result from this investigation will invariably be either “Exact Same” or “Not the Exact Same”. Your first investigation will get a “Not the Exact Same”.

You win with the town when all Mafiates, Serial Killers, and Cultists are dead and somebody with this exact same win condition as you is still alive.

Good luck, and have fun! Be sure to read the rules of the game. Confirm your role by PM.

Special Note(s): If a player you investigate has the

exact same alignment

as the player you investigated the

previous

night, you will receive a result of “Exact Same”. Otherwise, you will receive a result of “Not the Exact Same”. If you are role-blocked (or otherwise stopped from receiving a result), you will receive a “Not the Exact Same” result. If something were to cause this to happen a second time

in a row

, you will receive an “Exact Same” alignment. Necessarily, if you are blocked one night and not the next, you will automatically get a “Not the Exact Same” result, as you will be comparing something to

nothing

.

PJ

Double-Dipper Doctor

Ice cream – as you know – is delicious. Why have one serving when you can have two?!

Each night, you must target two players, and neither of those players may include yourself. If those two players are of the exact same alignment, they will both be protected from 1 nightkill each for that night only. If they are not the exact same alignment, neither player will receive that protection.

Oh, and one more thing. You can never submit the pairing (two players) for protection more than once. For example, if you protect Players G and H on Night Three, you may not protect both Players G and H on the same night ever again. Knowing that, you might want to plan ahead.

You win with the town when all Mafiates, Serial Killers, and Cultists are dead and somebody with the exact same win condition as you is alive.

Good luck, and have fun! Be sure to read the rules of the game. Confirm your role by PM.

Special Note(s):

There is at least one way for the mafia to be able to kill a player you successfully protect on that same night. There are also roles (not including your own role) which cannot be protected by your role to begin with. This does not mean you are the only protective role in the game. Essentially, if a player you protect dies, you may not want to jump to conclusions about the alignment of the other player you protected…

PJ

Pretty Much Useless

During one -- and only one -- night of the game, you may investigate one player. You will then be told one

exact

role-name that that player

does not have

. That role-name may not necessarily even be in the game.

You win with the town when all Mafiates, Serial Killers, and Cultists are dead and somebody with the exact same win condition as you is alive.

Good luck, and have fun! Be sure to read the rules of the game. Confirm your role by PM.

Special Note(s):

Even if you receive a result of “Mafia A Goon” (i.e. the player you investigated does not have the exact role-name of “Mafia A Goon”), this does not preclude that player from being a part of "Mafia A". In the event you are role-blocked (either directly or indirectly, such as by a role which “cannot be targeted”), you will receive the result of “Townie” regardless of your investigation target.

The role-name for this was crafted specifically so you can claim “My role is pretty much useless”, and be one-hundred percent correct even if it turns out your role is much more useful than you might imagine it to be. This is not a guarantee, however, that your role is in any way actually useful.

PJ

Mod Note: All investigations on other players will have the result “Pretty Much Useless.” If PMU investigates itself, PMU will instead receive the result “Much More Useful than You Might Imagine.”

Townie Minus

You are a vanilla townie – plus something bad!

You win with the town when all Mafiates, Serial Killers, and Cultists are dead and somebody with the exact same win condition as you is alive.

Good luck, and have fun! Be sure to read the rules of the game. Confirm your role by PM.

Special Note(s):

Neither your role nor your role PM will be revealed upon death. Joyous day! Your alignment, however, will be revealed.

PJ

Townie

You are a vanilla townie. You have no special abilities, although you do have an extraordinary ability for giving a good, bloodcurdling scream upon death. How you are aware of this before you have actually died is for you to ponder.

You win with the town when all Mafiates, Serial Killers, and Cultists are dead and somebody with the exact same win condition as you is alive.

Good luck, and have fun! Be sure to read the rules of the game. Confirm your role by PM.

Special Note(s):

There is a special note here simply so you can be assured that every role in the game has at least one special note.

PJ

SELF-ALIGNED

Gambler

Time to press your luck. On Night One of the game (but not pre-game) you must submit to me a list of exactly

4 live players

in the game, not including yourself. If you fail to send me such a list, you will be modkilled if you are alive, and lose the game immediately. There is at least one other method (besides not sending in a list) for your role to be modkilled – please refer to your special notes section. Your flavor for being modkilled will always be “shot”.

You win if at the end of the game 3 of those 4 players on your list are dead

prior to “endgame” killings

.

Good luck, and have fun! Be sure to read the rules of the game. Confirm your role by PM.

Special Note(s):

An endgame killing occurs when the mod “calls” the game (thus ending the game). For example, if Day Six opened with two mafia (from the same mafia) alive and one townsperson alive, that townsperson would be endgamed and that townsperson’s death

would not

count as a death for the purposes of your win condition.

If you are lynched Day One,

you can still send me a list of four players during Night One

(and not any other night). Just be sure to remember that the longer you live, the more control you will have over who dies.

Other methods for you to be modkilled are included in the rules posts of the game.

PJ

Fatalistic Survivor

Sigh.

You’re pretty sure you’re going to die at some point. In fact, you spend most of your time trying to predict how you will die. It’s not a great life. But who knows, maybe you’ll have a great death.

Every night, you must send me the name of one player in the game you think is probably thinking about killing you.

You win if you achieve one of the following: (a) you correctly choose a person who is a member of a group that kills you; or (b) you are still alive when the game ends.

Good luck, and have fun! Be sure to read the rules of the game. Confirm your role by PM.

Special Note(s):

(1) A group that does not have a killing power cannot trigger your win condition. For example: Scum A is a mason with Townie X. If you predict "Townie X" will kill you and Scum A kills you, this

would not

satisfy your win condition because Townie X is not a party of a killing group, even though he may have been in a "group" which killed you (i.e. Scum A). Hope that's not terribly confusing. (2) If you are lynched,

you lose

unless something prevents you from dying.

PJ

Socially Dependent Vigilante

Each night, you may target a player. That player will then die, unless something prevents them from dying. There are at least two methods in which your role may be responsible for that player not dying.

(1) The player will not die if you end up targeting yourself.
(2) The player will not die if you end up targeting a dead player.

You are self-aligned, but you win when the town wins. The town win condition can be found in the sample role PM given at the beginning of the game.

Good luck, and have fun! Be sure to read the rules of the game. Confirm your role by PM.

Special Note(s):

The town can only win if at least one townsperson is alive at the end of the game; this means that if you survive but no townspeople survive,

you will not win the game

. That said, you may wish to be extra careful with your kills...

PJ

MAFIA

Mafia B Goon

You are a Mafia B Goon, and your partners are

XXX

(Mafia B Goon), and

XXX

(Mafia B Goon). Each night, you may talk amongst yourselves. You may only talk with each other at night, and during pregame. Each night, you may also collectively decide upon one person to kill. Prior to the deadline, any member of the mafia may send me (a) who you are killing, and (b) who will be performing the kill. If you do not specify who performs the kill, the player who submitted the kill will be treated as performing the kill. The choice that gets to me closest to deadline (and prior to the deadline) will be the official choice.

You win when your mafia

outnumbers

all other live players in the game.

Good luck, and have fun! Be sure to read the rules of the game. Confirm your role by PM.

Special Note(s):

In the event you have a traitor, they are guaranteed to

not

have your exact same win condition, which means they

will not

count as an aide for you to “outnumber” other players.

Additionally, role-names in this game may not all happen to be strictly “normal”. For example: if a Psychiatrist of some variety existed in the game, they might have the role-name “Manic-Depressive Psychiatrist”, or “Pie in the Sky Psychiatrist”, and so forth. You may want to keep that in mind should you fake-claim. At least one exception to this is the standard Townie role, which can be found in the sample role PM at the beginning of the game.

All members of Mafia B have the exact same special notes.

PJ

[petroleumjelly]

Choices

Day One

• Lynch SocioPath, Pretty Much Useless, Town

Night One

• Electra, Which-one-of-these-is-not-like-the-other Cop, investigates SensFan, receives “Not the Same”
  
• ooba, Double-Dipper Doctor, protects ShadowGirl and Seraphim, fails
  
• Caboose, Socially Dependent Vigilante, kills ShadowGirl, successful
  
• ShadowGirl, Gambler, guesses that MafiaSSK, Empking, Electra, and charter will die
  
• wolframnhart, Fatalistic Survivor, guesses that [Yaw]’s group will kill him
  
• RandomGem, Mafia B, kills ooba, successful

Day Two

• Lynch MafiaSSK, Townie, Town

Night Two

• Electra, Which-one-of-these-is-not-like-the-other Cop, investigates Seraphim, receives “Not the Same”
  
• Caboose, Socially Dependent Vigilante, kills charter, successful
  
• wolframnhart, Fatalistic Survivor, guesses that [Seraphim]’s group will kill him
  
• charter, Mafia B, kills Yaw, successful

Day Three

• Lynch wolframnhart, Fatalistic Survivor, Self-Aligned

Night Three

• Electra, Which-one-of-these-is-not-like-the-other Cop, investigates Empking, receives “Same”
  
• Caboose, Socially Dependent Vigilante, kills SensFan, successful
  
• SensFan, Mafia B, kills forbiddanlight

Day Four

• Lynch Caboose, Socially Dependent Vigilante, Self-Aligned

Night Four

• Electra, Which-one-of-these-is-not-like-the-other Cop, investigates Kinetic, receives “Not the Same”
  
• Kinetic, Mafia B, kills Empking, successful

Day Five

• Lynch Electra, Which-one-of-these-is-not-like-the-other Cop, Town
  
• Kinetic, Mafia B endgames Seraphim

[petroleumjelly]

MOD COMMENTARY

1.)

This game was developed with a few particular concepts in mind: the Cop role, multiple alignments, getting players to think strategically to maximize the usefulness of their roles, and setting the stage for creative fake-claims.

2.)

I really think 14 players is the best number of players for this particular game. I felt that I could not squeeze this game into being a 12-player mini game; getting in four (technically five) different alignments with still only one mafia was not easy, and I felt that 12 would be much too favorable to the mafia.

If the game had been 16 players I feel that would have necessitated a fourth mafia member, which would then make the mafia too powerful and require the game being bumped up to 18 players. This seemed like overkill, so I vowed to stay at 14 players and worked from there.

3.)

I am very keen on the Cop role implemented in this game – I think it is nice twist on what is “Traditional.” Unlike a normal Cop, it will not have any useful information whatsoever even on Day Two of the game. By Day Three there is a fair chance the role may be dead, or – as was the case here – when it claims a town still will not quite know how to handle the results, even if they

believe

the claim.

The role was further diluted (and made much more fitting) due to the public knowledge that there were at least four alignments in the game, so that even if the Cop determines that two players do not share the same alignment, one of them turning up “Mafia B” would not preclude the second player from being some type of scum.

Finally, the information that being role-blocked results in a “Not the Exact Same” result was one last method to weaken the effectiveness of this role.

4.)

The Vigilante was clearly the most powerful role in the set-up. Unfortunately it almost carried the town to a win in this game all by itself, and this is one of the reasons I dislike unlimited Vigilantes in games – they can effectively be the sole role responsible for the game outcome. In the past I have limited this aspect by only allowing “1-Shot Vigs” and the like, but in this game I wanted to try to limit the effectiveness of the Vigilante in a more novel way.

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a.

The Vigilante will not investigate as “The Exact Same” to the Cop directly after the Cop investigates a townsperson, and the Vigilante knows they will not investigate as “innocent” if there is a regular Cop. This was done for the purpose of making the Vigilante look like a Serial Killer, or at least an anti-town role, while making sure the Vigilante has this in their head. To avoid being painted as a Serial Killer, a Vigilante may decide to only Vig as in certain situations.

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b.

The Vigilante could not be protected by the Doctor, because it did not share an alignment with any other players.

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c.

I tried to give the Vigilante an incentive

not

to kill by making it explicit that the Vigilante could not win if all the

actual

townspeople were alive, but this was apparently not incentive enough to get the Vigilante to not kill every night. To make it clear that this was not an ordinary “filled” town, I made sure to include in the rules that there were at least

four

different alignments in the game.

My biggest regret in this game is by far the fact that the Vigilante killed every night. I feel this unbalanced the game in favor of the town. I have already thought of other ways to try to limit Vigilante kills besides “You have X-Shots,” but I will not divulge them here as I plan to use some of them in other future games.

5.)

In almost all of my past games, rather than including a Doctor role I have instead included a Bodyguard role. To avoid having this meta applied to my games across the board, I decided to include a Doctor this game. To make the role one which requires more skill than usual to play, I added the twist that the Doctor needs to protect two people of the

same alignment

to be effective, and that combinations cannot be duplicated. This makes the Doctor less and less powerful as the game goes on, requiring more and more skill to protect effectively and forces (to a limited extent) the Doctor to

plan

protections ahead of time so as to avoid duplicating a combination.

6.)

I have always thought regular Survivor roles are much too difficult to play – in a way they are like a Serial Killer who cannot even kill the people trying to lynch them. So I decided to give the Survivor role in this game a back-up win condition: guessing who will kill them at night. This role was ultimately meant to help the mafia, as this role will want to avoid being lynched at all costs.

In this particular game, I definitely think the correct play by D3 of the game was to counter-claim the Caboose saying “I killed ShadowGirl N1” and go for the “let’s kill each other tonight” plan. [Yes, I know Caboose claimed to be 1-Shot, but… pfft!]. Essentially, even if this role were to

really

think they found a mafia member, they would arguably be better off keeping that mafiate alive and then saying that person’s group would kill them overnight.

7.)

The Gambler role has been something that I’ve been considering implementing for well over a year. Naturally it died before I could ever see how the role would influence a game. The role was generally there to aide the mafia, in that a player with such a role would likely pick out the players who were

most likely to be lynched

and then

try to lynch those players

. As there would be more “natural” resistance to lynching players who were mafia, this role should theoretically end up pushing on townspeople. Alternatively, this role had a

great

incentive to fake-claim for any number of reasons, which helps the mafia in that (a) such a claim may result in lynching a townsperson, and (b) after a townsperson is lynched after from a fake-claim claim, the Gambler role

itself

is likely to be lynched or Vigged.

8.)

To give the mafia just a bit more leverage, I included the “Pretty Much Useless” role and the “Townie Minus” role. The former was in place as a role that was likely to have difficulties in the event of a mass-claim, and the latter was included as a possible source of confusion (which is invaluable in a game with short and strict deadlines). Naturally, both of these roles would make even the most “off-the-wall” fake-claim much more believable.

[ShadowGirl]

Why'd you kill me, Caboose?

[Kinetic]

WOOT

I so thought I was coming into an unwinnable game. I mean I only had to get a VIGILANTE lynched then a virtually confirmed COP lynched back to back to win...

Who the hell is going to be able to do that!?

[Narsis]

you?

anyway...i started watching this game towards the end. i must say you played extremely well Kinetic. your logical skills are very strong. i'd love to be on your team if i ever played with you.

i must say that i think the the game favoured scum a bit, however, Caboose and his awesome vigging gave the town a huge advantage. when it came down to the end...it really could have gone either way.

[Caboose]

Why'd you kill me, Caboose?

You acted extremely anti-town near the end of D1. You didn't vote, which is a HUGE scumtell. You also looked like you were trying to just coast through D1.

Here are my notes on you guys:

ShadowGirl
Getting major scum vibes from her. Kind of sat and coasted through D1. Didn't say anything to raise any eyebrows, but didn't actually help the town win. Didn't vote. Seemed a bit anxious to get to the night, but that could indicate a pro-town power role.

charter
Don't like the Sensfan comment, but I don't know if he deserves to be vigged because of that. Defensive at non-attacks. Asked for a SG wagon for no apparent reason. Prevents a Sensfan wagon. Asked questions with no follow up. Used crap logic to try to call me scummy. Tries to deflect attention to ooba once that wagon starts. Adopts the "everyone's out to get me" attitude. Tries to prevent SP lynch, pushed for an SSK one instead.

Electra
Was the object of an attempted last minute bandwagon, but I don't like the fact that Yaw chainsaw defended her and her OMGUS vote on SP.

forbiddanlight
Her level of activity is uncharacteristically low. Hasn't said anything scummy, though.

MafiaSSK
Very anti-town, but not necessarily scum. I'm buying his roleclaim. He might be my target N2 depending on how he acts D2.

Empking
Nat bugged the crap out of me. Anti-town play, but not necessarily scum. Weak reason to vote Electra. I don't really have a read on him yet.

Ooba
His first few posts pinged on my scumdar because of the lack of reasoning. Yaw's chainsaw defense of ooba also doesn't really sit well with me, I'm surprised that I didn't see that at the time. Voted SSK on the last few pages with little reason, send up a red flag with me. Would be informative to learn his alignment because it provides insight into Yaw's, Seraphim's, and possibly Empking's. Probable kill for tonight.

RandomGem
Don't really have a read on him.

Sensfan
I'm seriously considering vigging him so that I don't have to see his avatar again. Nothing really stuck out as scummy to me today.

Seraphim
Possibly scum from his starting a bandwagon on Electra at the last second possibly to save SSK. Possible scumpartner is Yaw.

wolf
No read yet. Pretty opportunistic jump onto SSK wagon, though.

Yaw
Really not liking his play. He starts a wagon on SP, pretty much chainsaw defending Electra and steered wagon away from SSK.

Alright, so I'm going to make my final decision based on what I just observed and my gut.

Kill: ShadowGirl

What the F*&k?! Why did SSK sit and lie to us?
I'm OK with my kill last night. While SG wasn't scum, she was anti-town.

Now, for tonight...

charter
Something about him that I'm just not liking. There's the SP issue (where he "thought" that SP was town and setting himself up for "told you so"), he's defending Seraphim (who I think is scummy, but we can lynch him tomorrow), and he didn't explain his vote on SSK. Also, uncharacteristically low activity. Trying to hurry up the SSK lynch. Most likely scum in my eyes if SSK doesn't flip scum.

Electra
Not sure about her (I hope I'm getting the pronoun right).

forbiddanlight
Rolefishing at the beginning of D2. Trying to prolong the day for no good reason.

Empking
Needs to participate

RandomGem
Hasn't participated

Sensfan
Seems town to me

Seraphim
Starts on soft crap attacks on both me and Yaw busting out of the gates on D2. Could be scum.

wolf
Also trying to delay an SSK lynch.

Yaw
Subtle rolefishing at the beginning of D2, but I think he's been exonerated by the fact that SP flipped town.

Hopefully this one is good.

Kill: charter

Alright, bagged a scum last night.
But there's no time to gloat, it's time to take care of charter's scumbuddies...

Electra
I believe her cop claim for now.

forbiddanlight
Not sure why she wanted Sens bandwagon D1, but it increases scuminess seeing that charter flipped scum. Tried a crap attack on me D1 and then backed off when she saw that it was going to blow up in her face. Scummy since that's exactly what charter did as well. Subtle rolefishing D2. Tried to drag out D2 more than needed. Flips out when Electra claims and tries to crap on her claim, then goes along with me. Probably SK.

Empking
Extremely scummy. Talks about 2 factions of scum at beginning of day. Buddies up with Sens. Depends on how Sens flips.

Tamuz
RandomGem jumps in and attacks the case on charter D1. Then, he jumps in again and attacks the case on SSK D1. Sits and tries to call all cases weak D1, which increases scuminess. Subtle rolefishing.

Sensfan
Crazy scummy from FL's and my conversation with him. Role sounds like scum role.

Seraphim
Yaw flipping town and charter flipping scum increases scuminess. Gives a claim when not even close to being lynched. Tried a crap attack on me D2 and backed off. If FL flips town, it increases his scuminess. Most likely confirmed town if Sens flips scum.

At this point I think that the rest of the scumteam is Tamuz and Sens. The SK is most likely FL.

Kill: SensFan

I had Tamuz pegged on Night 3. If we had lynched Sens Day 3, I would have vigged Tamuz.

I'm happy with my performance, though.

[Caboose]

Oh, and
@PJ: Did you think my notes were annoying or interesting?

[Kinetic]

Why'd you kill me, Caboose?

You acted extremely anti-town near the end of D1. You didn't vote, which is a HUGE scumtell. You also looked like you were trying to just coast through D1.

Here are my notes on you guys:

ShadowGirl
Getting major scum vibes from her. Kind of sat and coasted through D1. Didn't say anything to raise any eyebrows, but didn't actually help the town win. Didn't vote. Seemed a bit anxious to get to the night, but that could indicate a pro-town power role.

charter
Don't like the Sensfan comment, but I don't know if he deserves to be vigged because of that. Defensive at non-attacks. Asked for a SG wagon for no apparent reason. Prevents a Sensfan wagon. Asked questions with no follow up. Used crap logic to try to call me scummy. Tries to deflect attention to ooba once that wagon starts. Adopts the "everyone's out to get me" attitude. Tries to prevent SP lynch, pushed for an SSK one instead.

Electra
Was the object of an attempted last minute bandwagon, but I don't like the fact that Yaw chainsaw defended her and her OMGUS vote on SP.

forbiddanlight
Her level of activity is uncharacteristically low. Hasn't said anything scummy, though.

MafiaSSK
Very anti-town, but not necessarily scum. I'm buying his roleclaim. He might be my target N2 depending on how he acts D2.

Empking
Nat bugged the crap out of me. Anti-town play, but not necessarily scum. Weak reason to vote Electra. I don't really have a read on him yet.

Ooba
His first few posts pinged on my scumdar because of the lack of reasoning. Yaw's chainsaw defense of ooba also doesn't really sit well with me, I'm surprised that I didn't see that at the time. Voted SSK on the last few pages with little reason, send up a red flag with me. Would be informative to learn his alignment because it provides insight into Yaw's, Seraphim's, and possibly Empking's. Probable kill for tonight.

RandomGem
Don't really have a read on him.

Sensfan
I'm seriously considering vigging him so that I don't have to see his avatar again. Nothing really stuck out as scummy to me today.

Seraphim
Possibly scum from his starting a bandwagon on Electra at the last second possibly to save SSK. Possible scumpartner is Yaw.

wolf
No read yet. Pretty opportunistic jump onto SSK wagon, though.

Yaw
Really not liking his play. He starts a wagon on SP, pretty much chainsaw defending Electra and steered wagon away from SSK.

Alright, so I'm going to make my final decision based on what I just observed and my gut.

Kill: ShadowGirl

What the F*&k?! Why did SSK sit and lie to us?
I'm OK with my kill last night. While SG wasn't scum, she was anti-town.

Now, for tonight...

charter
Something about him that I'm just not liking. There's the SP issue (where he "thought" that SP was town and setting himself up for "told you so"), he's defending Seraphim (who I think is scummy, but we can lynch him tomorrow), and he didn't explain his vote on SSK. Also, uncharacteristically low activity. Trying to hurry up the SSK lynch. Most likely scum in my eyes if SSK doesn't flip scum.

Electra
Not sure about her (I hope I'm getting the pronoun right).

forbiddanlight
Rolefishing at the beginning of D2. Trying to prolong the day for no good reason.

Empking
Needs to participate

RandomGem
Hasn't participated

Sensfan
Seems town to me

Seraphim
Starts on soft crap attacks on both me and Yaw busting out of the gates on D2. Could be scum.

wolf
Also trying to delay an SSK lynch.

Yaw
Subtle rolefishing at the beginning of D2, but I think he's been exonerated by the fact that SP flipped town.

Hopefully this one is good.

Kill: charter

Alright, bagged a scum last night.
But there's no time to gloat, it's time to take care of charter's scumbuddies...

Electra
I believe her cop claim for now.

forbiddanlight
Not sure why she wanted Sens bandwagon D1, but it increases scuminess seeing that charter flipped scum. Tried a crap attack on me D1 and then backed off when she saw that it was going to blow up in her face. Scummy since that's exactly what charter did as well. Subtle rolefishing D2. Tried to drag out D2 more than needed. Flips out when Electra claims and tries to crap on her claim, then goes along with me. Probably SK.

Empking
Extremely scummy. Talks about 2 factions of scum at beginning of day. Buddies up with Sens. Depends on how Sens flips.

Tamuz
RandomGem jumps in and attacks the case on charter D1. Then, he jumps in again and attacks the case on SSK D1. Sits and tries to call all cases weak D1, which increases scuminess. Subtle rolefishing.

Sensfan
Crazy scummy from FL's and my conversation with him. Role sounds like scum role.

Seraphim
Yaw flipping town and charter flipping scum increases scuminess. Gives a claim when not even close to being lynched. Tried a crap attack on me D2 and backed off. If FL flips town, it increases his scuminess. Most likely confirmed town if Sens flips scum.

At this point I think that the rest of the scumteam is Tamuz and Sens. The SK is most likely FL.

Kill: SensFan

I had Tamuz pegged on Night 3. If we had lynched Sens Day 3, I would have vigged Tamuz.

I'm happy with my performance, though.

If it makes you feel better, I absolutely knew I had to get you lynched or my chances of winning were virtually null. Even if you didn't kill me, you having a kill made things very bad for me in a lot of ways.

So when I entered the game I made you the priority of my attack. The entire day way to get you lynched and to look townie doing it.

[Yaw]

Yeah, Caboose was owning this game. Good job.

I also really like the cop variant.

Really thought Kinetic had hung himself there by trying to tie his role to mine after Sens had just flipped scum while doing the same thing...

[Kinetic]

Yeah, Caboose was owning this game. Good job.

I also really like the cop variant.

Really thought Kinetic had hung himself there by trying to tie his role to mine after Sens had just flipped scum while doing the same thing...

Ah, but mine was a better claim. Plus it also worked in that Sens's role technically would still work by the role I claimed, which would explain why the person in my role didn't counter-claim him.

[forbiddanlight]

Nyeh, well, that was odd. It was a fun concept, I think. Surprised the mafia killed me since I was coming off as scummy near the end there, and my activity really was much lower than usual. Either way, it was a good game and I love a game that gets down to F3. Fun to watch the tension crackling.

[Electra]

I didn't think Caboose was scum, but Empking was obviously not going to vote himself, and I figured that it wouldn't hurt us as long as there was no Mafia A. Unfortunately, Seraphim decided I was Mafia at some point, which made 0 sense, considering that I said that Sens and him were opposite alignments and Sens turned out to be scum.

If we had just ignored roles and lynched whoever was most suspicious though, it definitely would have been Kinetic based on Caboose/Seraphim's play. Sigh. Whatever.

[charter]

Holy crap. Good work Kinetic! Can not believe you pulled that out for us. I will go ahead and nominate you for some scummies, that was a great performance you did when your predecessors did you no favors.

Sens also did good getting someone besides himself lynched.

Great work Caboose too, vigging 2/3 of the mafia was damn good. I actually thought Yaw was a PGO, didn't realize it could be a vig.

I thought this was a good game, it was a nail biter the last few days. Thanks for modding PJ!

[Seraphim]

I didn't think Caboose was scum, but Empking was obviously not going to vote himself, and I figured that it wouldn't hurt us as long as there was no Mafia A. Unfortunately, Seraphim decided I was Mafia at some point, which made 0 sense, considering that I said that Sens and him were opposite alignments and Sens turned out to be scum.

If we had just ignored roles and lynched whoever was most suspicious though, it definitely would have been Kinetic based on Caboose/Seraphim's play. Sigh. Whatever.

You know, please, don't blame me for thinking you were scummy. It was really the AoE at the end that made me vote for you, while Kinetic had laid out, quite nicely, some logical points.

I made a mistake. your play made me think you were scum. *shrugs* I suppose this has been a rather humbling expierence...I thought that Electra was scum, and rather than listening to facts, I tunnel-visioned her until she died. Which turned out to be our loss.

Oh well. Good game, Mafia! You had me fooled the entire time. XP

[Kinetic]

I didn't think Caboose was scum, but Empking was obviously not going to vote himself, and I figured that it wouldn't hurt us as long as there was no Mafia A. Unfortunately, Seraphim decided I was Mafia at some point, which made 0 sense, considering that I said that Sens and him were opposite alignments and Sens turned out to be scum.

If we had just ignored roles and lynched whoever was most suspicious though, it definitely would have been Kinetic based on Caboose/Seraphim's play. Sigh. Whatever.

You know, please, don't blame me for thinking you were scummy. It was really the AoE at the end that made me vote for you, while Kinetic had laid out, quite nicely, some logical points.

I made a mistake. your play made me think you were scum. *shrugs* I suppose this has been a rather humbling expierence...I thought that Electra was scum, and rather than listening to facts, I tunnel-visioned her until she died. Which turned out to be our loss.

Oh well. Good game, Mafia! You had me fooled the entire time. XP

Don't feel too bad Sera. I left you around instead of Emp for a multitude of reasons, chiefly, the fact that you relied a little too heavily on logic, something I was banking on.

Even though Emp called me townie, I really couldn't get into his head, and I thought he was a bigger risk. But by killing him, I also had yet another out, Wifommy as it was. "Empking called me town, obv if I was scum I'd want him around".

What it came down to was that I gave you too much information. Information overload if you will. The whole point of that was "Look at everything I'm giving you, if I were scum would I say so much?" But in reality it was "This is everything I'm giving you... but what am I leaving out?" And at the same time I played a Magicians game. Look at my right hand and ignore what my left hand is doing.

I think if some people were a little more critical of my motives (i.e. If I was scum, what would I know), and a little more critical of everything I gave you (i.e. Well he says that IF there is a Mafia A/SK then Caboose must be it, but what if there isn't...) You guys might have unveiled me.

Caboose didn't help himself with lying on Day 2 at all. It made his full vig claim unbelievable and untestable if he was a SK. His own assurance that there was a Mafia A also tanked his own case against Empking that he was Mafia A, ironically.

In that situation Caboose should have realized there could not be a Mafia A unless he was in it, and should have pushed for either a lynch of myself of Electra. Both of which would have most likely won the game for town. Caboose could have lynched one, then killed the other, and no matter WHAT I did, the game would have been lost to me.

Additionally EVEN if he was SK, in that situation it would STILL be Emp/Sera/Him in end game and Emp/Sera would know he was SK if that happened. If he brought that point up, town might have won.

I thought the reasons behind him not doing that were, honestly, him being a Serial Killer. If he brought that stuff up, he was as good as dead as a SK.

[forbiddanlight]

So, why was I killed?

[Electra]

You know, please, don't blame me for thinking you were scummy. It was really the AoE at the end that made me vote for you, while Kinetic had laid out, quite nicely, some logical points.

I made a mistake. your play made me think you were scum. *shrugs* I suppose this has been a rather humbling expierence...I thought that Electra was scum, and rather than listening to facts, I tunnel-visioned her until she died. Which turned out to be our loss.

Oh well. Good game, Mafia! You had me fooled the entire time. XP

I will blame you for thinking that I'm scummy, thanks. :p It's not your fault that we lose though. The town was pretty sucky except for Caboose.

People just need to realize that I'm never scum if they think I'm scum. When I'm scum I just get nightkilled. There's no need to lynch me ever.

[ShadowGirl]

You acted extremely anti-town near the end of D1. You didn't vote, which is a HUGE scumtell. You also looked like you were trying to just coast through D1.

I didn't want to go after anyone and then change my mind the next day about it. And plus, I didn't vote because I didn't the candidates up for lynch for scum. As well, SSK was an easy lynch so I didn't want to lynch him that day.

[Caboose]

I didn't think Caboose was scum, but Empking was obviously not going to vote himself, and I figured that it wouldn't hurt us as long as there was no Mafia A. Unfortunately, Seraphim decided I was Mafia at some point, which made 0 sense, considering that I said that Sens and him were opposite alignments and Sens turned out to be scum.

If we had just ignored roles and lynched whoever was most suspicious though, it definitely would have been Kinetic based on Caboose/Seraphim's play. Sigh. Whatever.

Then what the hell did you hammer me for?!

Additionally EVEN if he was SK, in that situation it would STILL be Emp/Sera/Him in end game and Emp/Sera would know he was SK if that happened. If he brought that point up, town might have won.

I believe I did bring up that point.

I personally don't think

I

could have done any better this game, Kinetic.

[Caboose]

You acted extremely anti-town near the end of D1. You didn't vote, which is a HUGE scumtell. You also looked like you were trying to just coast through D1.

I didn't want to go after anyone and then change my mind the next day about it. And plus, I didn't vote because I didn't the candidates up for lynch for scum. As well, SSK was an easy lynch so I didn't want to lynch him that day.

Well, my vig of you actually wasn't a misvig. While you weren't scum, you were anti-town, which is the closest thing there is to scum.

[ShadowGirl]

Very true, very true. xD;

I was just surprised I got vigged/killed so fast. Though, I believe someone attempted to protect me?

[Cogito Ergo Scum]

Wow, this game looks really well-designed. Good job, PJ.