Pastamancer wrote:I actually find this...:
Some drunk person wrote:(feel free to get me to change my mind about that one, as I would much rather the experienced players be on my side than against me...)
...somewhat problematic. Not in a scummy sense, but in a "I don't think this should be happening" sense. IC players are just as capable of being A: Scum, and B: Wrong. When people worry too much about having them them on their sides, both A and B very easily lead to mislynches.
I don't think the IC players should try to distinguish themselves from the rest that much. This leads to a division and creates a different sort of mindset. It becomes more difficult to analyze them when you assume they're all A: Always (or at least more often) correct, and/or B: Always intending to help.
Glork wrote:DMcD - I don't think we can discern PJ's alignment based on this question. It seems as though he asked it to help the Newbies generate some discussion and to get them thinking about what sort of play is best for the town. In many ways, this is helpful to those learning the game, but it doesn't seem to be a direct indicator of whether PJ is town or not. I think that guessing his alignment based on the question he proposed is going to turn into a very fruitless WIFOM debate.
Ok, it seems as though what I've said has been greatly misconstrued by one person, and slightly misunderstood by another.
@Pastamancer - I put forth the two oppinions of PJ's play that instantly jumped out at me. One of which is that this might be a tactic to make himself look clean to us. This means that I obviously think that experienced players can be a.)scum and b.)wrong.
My statement at the end of the post does not imply at all that I think experienced players are right,
or
helpful to the rest of us. What it does imply is that I beleive experience makes a player
better
. Lets think for a second about a what if..., shall we? What if PJ and one of the other experienced players were the scum. Having had experience they would have more refined play styles and fewer, if any, tells. It would be very hard for the town full of noobs to pinpoint who is what. Not a good senario for the town... I was saying that I want (hope, pray for) that experience to fight for/with me rather than against me... Being right and helpful have nothing to do with it, for me at least.
And at this point it would be impossible for the experienced players to not be thought of differently, as PJ outed them with his question, and treated them differently by making them not answer. I know that he did this to get the noobs to talk/think about the situation, but that act puts them, however unintended it may be, on a different play level than the rest of us. They don't need to answer, because they
should
already know the right answer and he trusts them to know it.
@Glork - I agree, which is why I didn't vote for him. I do, however think that giving him a free ride about this because of experience would be a bad idea, too. From what I've read so far, most day one acusations are hardly more than random voting, anyway. Of course, most day one's I've seen seem to have the random vote/silly portion go on longer than this before people actually start to have serious conversations about anything, but I don't mind that too much.
Of course, I do think that we are out of the random voting stage now, so I'll
Unvote
with no revote, as no one yet seems overly scummy to me.
