Accountant's Utopia Philosophy

[shaft.ed]

Can we hold all discussion until I make the bingo board thank you

/in

[shaft.ed]

Can we hold all discussion until I make the bingo board thank you

/in

[Accountant]

What is your list of axioms from most to least important, accluntant?

I actually already posted this in the philosophy thread.

[Accountant]

What would you do to start this utopia?

Wait.

[Showtime]

My beliefs are derived from this absolute system of morality. If it didn't exist, where would my own beliefs come from?

Yourself.

Which, since an absolute system of morality

doesn't

exist, is pretty handy for you, really. You get to keep your nonsense beliefs and pretend that they have some sort of objective backing, even though they manifestly don't, because there are no laws against being incredibly determined to rationalize away the fact that no one else agrees with you as "well they're just wrong".

[Accountant]

LOL! My system of morality is objective and absolute, so claimjng that I created it would be tantamount to calling me God.

[Accountant]

Don't worry too much about the fact that nobody else believes in this system. Everyone will, sooner or later, by one means or another. It's as inevitable as the march of time.

[Accountant]

Which, since an absolute system of morality doesn't exist, is pretty handy for you, really.

Actually it does. For example, my system if morality is absolute. Only a coward who does not wish to divide the world into stark right and stark wrong would claim otherwise.

[Aeronaut]

I agree. The problem comes when certain undesirable elements have very bad ways of "living as they please".

The only reason that the government should intervene in someone's life is if them "living as they please" is directly negatively affecting other members of that society. E.G, driving drunk. However, they should not intervene in a person's ability to

be

drunk if they so choose.

[Aeronaut]

which is already true of our society, but this philosophy should extend to anything. Once you are a citizen, you should be allowed to fuck up your own life if you want "e.g, legally take a bunch of crazy drugs", because that is your life. You should not be able to take someone else's life because that is their life, not yours.

[Accountant]

Being drunk is okay. Being a racist or anarchist is not.

[Aeronaut]

The state itself should only be designed to protect it's citizens from outside forces, and to allow these freedoms, instead of the opposite and telling the citizens what freedoms they're allowed to have.

[Accountant]

I disagree. Freedom is a privilege to be given to those who have shown they have the right mindset and attitude to use it correctly.

[Not_Mafia]

I think we should punish people who say Pepsi is better than Coke

[Showtime]

LOL! My system of morality is objective and absolute

Son, it is looking increasingly unlikely that you even know what the word "objective"

means

, let alone that you have successfully formulated an objective moral standard.

All moral systems are, at their root, fundamentally arbitrary and subjective. Yours does not escape this just because you start with the words "assume right and wrong exist". Nor does it escape this by saying "right is order, kindness, etc., versus wrong's chaos, unfriendliness, etc." Because, like it or not,

these are still entirely arbitrary value judgments

.

You say that

of course

this is what "right" and "wrong" means because this is what maximizes human happiness, but even without getting into the issue that some people (myself included) don't agree,

"'right' is what maximizes human happiness" is still an arbitrary value judgment."

The universe does not care about humans. The universe does not give a damn about human happiness. The universe doesn't give a damn about anything. It simply

is

. All moral codes are ultimately just made up by humans, and no amount of temper tantrums on your part will make them any more "objective".

Your entire "philosophy" crumbles before it even gets to the point where The Party takes over and turns the entire world into a shithole because of your delusions about one hundred percent perfection.

[Showtime]

Being drunk is okay. Being a racist or anarchist is not.

DOUBLEPLUSUNGOOD WRONGTHINK DETECTED

THOUGHTCRIME CONFIRMED

LET THE PURGING BEGIN

[Aeronaut]

Being drunk is okay. Being a racist or anarchist is not.

You're right, it's not morally OK. I agree it should not be legal to only give your product in a store for example to one type of person; however unfortunately, you should be allowed to have your own opinions of people, even if they're backwards and awful. You should be

allowed

to burn the American flag, not because it's right (and it really isn't), but because Americans live in a country where they're allowed to share whatever opinion they want without fear of being killed or exiled. That's just, in my opinion.

I can tweet @DonaldJTrump "Go fuck yourself", and believe me, I have, without a second thought because I don't have to think about the government coming after me and telling me how to think about The President. Instead of telling people they aren't allowed to think racist thoughts, it makes more sense rather to focus on educating those people to understand why diversity is a good thing.

[Aeronaut]

I disagree. Freedom is a privilege to be given to those who have shown they have the right mindset and attitude to use it correctly.

There's no such thing as a "right" or "wrong" mindset. My right mindset could be your mindset. What if you posting this thread right now disagreeing with the government looked like the wrong mindset to them, and they decided to jail you?

[Showtime]

Instead of telling people they aren't allowed to think racist thoughts, it makes more sense rather to focus on educating those people to understand why diversity is a good thing.

Whoops.

Here we go about the reeducation plan again.

(A hint, Accountant: "makes more sense to focus on educating" is not the same as "force into mandatory diversity classes".)

[Accountant]

That is where you are wrong. It is true that all moral codes are made up by humans, but when a human is absolutely right - then wouldn't their moral code be equivalent to an objective one? Wouldn't that code be equivalent to God?

Your post rests on the assumption that just because a human says something or thinks something, it is just their opinion. However, a sufficiently righteous person can definitely impose their reality on top of the universe. Thus, from a universe of pure subjectivity we obtain objective truths. This is the power of the correct path.

[Accountant]

Being drunk is okay. Being a racist or anarchist is not.

DOUBLEPLUSUNGOOD WRONGTHINK DETECTED

THOUGHTCRIME CONFIRMED

LET THE PURGING BEGIN

Purging racists is good. Do you agree? Or do you sife with the racists?

[Accountant]

you should be allowed to have your own opinions of people, even if they're backwards and awful.

Why do you value the existence of something you admit is backwards and awful?

[Showtime]

I disagree. Freedom is a privilege to be given to those who have shown they have the right mindset and attitude to use it correctly.

There's no such thing as a "right" or "wrong" mindset. My right mindset could be your mindset. What if you posting this thread right now disagreeing with the government looked like the wrong mindset to them, and they decided to jail you?

unfortunately your actions have proven that you are a moral subjectivist

subjectivism is wrongthink

report for reeducation

glory to arstotzka

[Accountant]

I disagree. Freedom is a privilege to be given to those who have shown they have the right mindset and attitude to use it correctly.

There's no such thing as a "right" or "wrong" mindset. My right mindset could be your mindset. What if you posting this thread right now disagreeing with the government looked like the wrong mindset to them, and they decided to jail you?

Then they would be wrong, and I would be right. Absolute truth prevails above all.

[Aeronaut]

That is where you are wrong. It is true that all moral codes are made up by humans, but when a human is absolutely right - then wouldn't their moral code be equivalent to an objective one? Wouldn't that code be equivalent to God?

Your post rests on the assumption that just because a human says something or thinks something, it is just their opinion. However, a sufficiently righteous person can definitely impose their reality on top of the universe. Thus, from a universe of pure subjectivity we obtain objective truths. This is the power of the correct path.

There is no such thing as absolutely right.

Being drunk is okay. Being a racist or anarchist is not.

DOUBLEPLUSUNGOOD WRONGTHINK DETECTED

THOUGHTCRIME CONFIRMED

LET THE PURGING BEGIN

Purging racists is good. Do you agree? Or do you sife with the racists?

Questions like this are leading questions.