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[Meuh]

Where am I going against meta?

By saying that me and T3 can be scum partners even though in your only knowledge, I push my buddies as scum.
I think you heavily slipped in your post as scum, which I'll happily discuss tomorrow if you ever flip town.

That said, today, your mindset isn't what I do as scum, but reason to why I am. You played it off wrong though.

Wdym push your buddies as scum, I don't really think that was a thing that happened last game?

[VFP]

I had Marci as scum from the moment I joined in until the claim was made.
Interesting that you're trying to double down here.

[VFP]

Why would I go and pressure you and T3 here, though? I've already established I don't want you to be elimed today and I still stand by that, and I'm still null on T3. I could've just applied more pressure on like Weuler, if I wanted to try to steer people away from that set of players. It seems like an overreach for a chainsaw defense for a simple statement like that one

But if I'm scum you should want to lim me today. The fact you said that earlier just makes me suspect more here by you just wanting to throw shade down.
The reason for doing so could be any of the following, but not limited.

T3 is scum buddies with you
You want to shade for a push tomorrow
You don't want me to town read T3

As I said, I'm pretty sure I've seen something that is a scum slip. If I'm wrong I'll fully explain it tomorrow if alive.

[Meuh]

I had Marci as scum from the moment I joined in until the claim was made.
Interesting that you're trying to double down here.

There's a difference between those gamestates though, didn't Marci already have like 2/3 votes on her when you came in? I might be genuinely misremembering this but I felt like there was a lot more of a reason for you to pressure her there than there would be for you to pressure T3 here
If you do actually tend to push your buddies then that puts some of what I've said into reconsideration, although it still doesn't do anything about the scenarios where only one of you are scum, which is what I thought was more likely anyways , I don't understand how my whole logic falls apart because of what you're saying?

[VFP]

No Marci had 0 votes or 1 vote max.
I had votes on me.

You can't argue different game so meta doesn't matter when you are using meta to justify.
As I said, your mindset isn't I could be scum because of how act as scum, but rather I can be scum because of this reason.
That falls outside of meta and shows that your post wasn't genuine.

[VFP]

Why would I have a different reason to not push my scum buddy, but yet have the same reason to pocket T3 when I have no pressure on me to the game where I had pressure?
You're thought process makes no sense here from town.

[Meuh]

Why would I go and pressure you and T3 here, though? I've already established I don't want you to be elimed today and I still stand by that, and I'm still null on T3. I could've just applied more pressure on like Weuler, if I wanted to try to steer people away from that set of players. It seems like an overreach for a chainsaw defense for a simple statement like that one

But if I'm scum you should want to lim me today. The fact you said that earlier just makes me suspect more here by you just wanting to throw shade down.
The reason for doing so could be any of the following, but not limited.

T3 is scum buddies with you
You want to shade for a push tomorrow
You don't want me to town read T3

As I said, I'm pretty sure I've seen something that is a scum slip. If I'm wrong I'll fully explain it tomorrow if alive.

I just don't really wanna repeat last game and elim one of the people leading town who was also town on day 1, it'd be a pretty huge blow, I'd rather wait until there's a more solid base to form reads on that player. Ofc I wanna elim scum!VFP today, I'm saying eliming you is less worth the risk-reward of it all
scum!Meuh just chills and pressures Weuler and The Bulge, there's no reason for her to be this agressive, there's ways to discredit your claims without the post I made on you and T3, there's no agenda this makes sense with
I just noticed something was off and made a post about it
and if I wanted to shade or to make T3 get townread, I could've voiced that without involving you, why would I want to pick a fight with you

I wanna see that scum slip

[Meuh]

No Marci had 0 votes or 1 vote max.
I had votes on me.

You can't argue different game so meta doesn't matter when you are using meta to justify.

As I said, your mindset isn't I could be scum because of how act as scum, but rather I can be scum because of this reason.

That falls outside of meta and shows that your post wasn't genuine.

Explain this please?

Why would I have a different reason to not push my scum buddy, but yet have the same reason to pocket T3 when I have no pressure on me to the game where I had pressure?
You're thought process makes no sense here from town.

I'm legitimately not sure what you're saying in the first line of this, but pocketing someone is beneficial for scum, regardless of the gamestate?
I wanna know why my thought process makes no sense but I don't understand the points you're trying to make

[VFP]

Explain this please?

Basically, you were looking for a reason.

I'm legitimately not sure what you're saying in the first line of this, but pocketing someone is beneficial for scum, regardless of the gamestate?
I wanna know why my thought process makes no sense but I don't understand the points you're trying to make

No, trying to pocket someone this early is typical scum.
Hence why I think someone is scum in just leaving me as lean town.

Your thought process does not work because you are claiming to be using meta. This is clear enough. However, when you use anti meta in the same comment and I call it out, your excuse is because it's a different situation.
This shows me that you were not thinking that this is meta related reads but instead you were looking for a reason to make the read. This is what scum do.

[Meuh]

Explain this please?

Basically, you were looking for a reason.

I'm legitimately not sure what you're saying in the first line of this, but pocketing someone is beneficial for scum, regardless of the gamestate?
I wanna know why my thought process makes no sense but I don't understand the points you're trying to make

No, trying to pocket someone this early is typical scum.
Hence why I think someone is scum in just leaving me as lean town.

Your thought process does not work because you are claiming to be using meta. This is clear enough. However, when you use anti meta in the same comment and I call it out, your excuse is because it's a different situation.
This shows me that you were not thinking that this is meta related reads but instead you were looking for a reason to make the read. This is what scum do.

Here's how my thought process went:
I realize you and T3's interactions are odd -> I reread them -> I write about why I think they're odd -> I wonder if meta makes sense with my ideas -> remember your interactions from last game and the way you were heavily townreading him -> I include it in the post
Meta never was the basis of the post, I just checked last game and felt it all clicked, which made me more confident in the point I was making
I legitimately thought you subbed in after Marci was garnering pressure which is why I didn't look back on it when I was checking out last game
and I gotcha in terms of scum wanting to pocket you, while I feel decent to good about those slots, dropping an early townread on one of the loudest voices in town is absolutely something scum benefit from, although that thing alone doesn't feel off enough to me for me to start scumreading any of them.

[Symbiosis]

Where am I going against meta?

By saying that me and T3 can be scum partners even though

in your only knowledge, I push my buddies as scum.

I don't like this at all. In Newbie 2061 (The only game I could find with you and Meuh where you were scum) you may have had Marci in your scumreads but you did not actively push on her beyond a couple of questions and saying that a marci lim would work for you.

I had Marci as scum from the moment I joined in until the claim was made.
Interesting that you're trying to double down here.

True, but I adressed this earlier in my post.

No

Marci had 0 votes or 1 vote max.

I had votes on me.

Barring a mod error, this is just false. In Page 20 the following events happen in this order:
1) Mod posts a votecount where marci has one vote from T3
2) Catboi votes marci
3) Mod announces VFP replacing Samawoodo

T3 did not change his vote between 1) and 3) so marci must have had two votes when VFP replaced in. I now think VFP is likley to be scum due to their use of flimsy reasoning and a verifiably false statment. I still want to pressure Bulge, so my vote stays where it is.

Alright new readslist time I added more things so I can make my reads more specific

TTT = Confirmed town
TT = Strong town read
T = Town read
/T = Town lean
//T = Neutral, slight town lean
/ = Neutral
//M = Neutral, slight mafia lean
/M = Mafia lean
M = Mafia read
MM = Strong mafia read
MMM = Confirmed mafia

Symbiosis (T)

I townread her even harder now, 23, 25, 48, 66 and 73 are all townie posting, she's being productive and advancing discussion without it feeling artificial or with the goal of gaining towncred.

Weuler (M)

The vibes are off . Like I've already established, 31 is weird, but the more recent posting does nothing to ease me. 67 is just no pro-town behaviour, he gets asked for scumreads, answers with a vague description of who they would be, and nothing else. 83, he votes The Bulge without voting him. 0 confidence in Weuler's posting, a lack of establishing scumreads, passive gameplay, very simple formula to a mafia member right here.

T3 (/)

T3's thought process makes sense, it seems alright, 39 is a townie post ig, but the interactions with VFP make me too uneasy to townlean him here, which I think I would otherwise.

KristopherKolumbus (/T)

41, 58 and 68 are all a good look, her thought process seems genuine and she seems to want to find scum. "Also btw I just read through the forum while not half asleep, and my meh view on Mueler has gone slightly on scumread now that I look at it," seems like the natural thought process of a townie.

Pearofclubs (/)

I would've liked a bit more productivity in the posts that have been made, but nothing's really put me off in what has been said. I'm just waiting for more content at this point.

WhemeStar (/)

Meh, there's not much to say here. Nothing seems off, nothing seems good. 60 is the most townie content I could find in his ISO. (For those who don't know, ISO means isolation, it's when you use the little thing at the bottom to look at a singular player's posts in isolation, I recommend using it when forming reads)

VFP (//M)

The amount of productivity in their posting almost makes me nudge them to just neutral, but with the interactions with T3 and the potential of VFPxWeuler, I'm a bit weary of them at this point.
72's a townie post though

The Bulge (//M)

I was expecting more than this from an SE slot, could just be a playstyle thing but The Bulge fails to deliver any reads and proceeds to vote one of my townreads If they don't start doing more I think they could always work as today's elim since we won't be losing much regardless, I really don't wanna see The Bulge in like, an endgame scenario, that sounds awful

Also how do you do the thing where you link to a specific post?

[Meuh]

Also how do you do the thing where you link to a specific post?

Use the post option on the top of the reply box, type the number of the post you wanna quote in that box, it should work! [pst]67[/pst] would link post 67 for example, if i hadn't removed the o from "post"

[VFP]

I don't like this at all. In Newbie 2061 (The only game I could find with you and Meuh where you were scum) you may have had Marci in your scumreads but you did not actively push on her beyond a couple of questions and saying that a marci lim would work for you.

Regardless if you like it, my point is correct.
The argument here is that I could be scum with T3 for saying I have a town lean.
The only argument you are using is that I use the word push instead of read. The wording changes nothing to this and it still proves that meta and off meta was used to justify.
You can try to explain why I'm wrong with that part though

True, but I adressed this earlier in my post.

Wrong, you didn't explain anything.
You came fixated on a word that even if replaced has the exact same out come.

Either Marci is town, null, or scum to me in that game.
Either T3 is town, null, or scum to me in this game.
Since you feel high on the opinion to what I'm saying, explain why these are in anyway the same and also explain the differences we have in this game to the point of me joining in that game.

T3 did not change his vote between 1) and 3) so marci must have had two votes when VFP replaced in. I now think VFP is likley to be scum due to their use of flimsy reasoning and a verifiably false statment. I still want to pressure Bulge, so my vote stays where it is.

After I put you as a potential scum buddy of Meuh you are trying to come to the rescue. Its cute but I'm the wrong person to try that with.
I'm interested to why you have no interest on what the scum slip was with Meuh. Maybe trying to avoid it in the thread to gain negative attention to your buddy.

Meuh is going to be the lim today and a red flip means you are tomorrow.

[VFP]

Also the fact you won't commit to a vote on me, when Buldge hasn't done anything scum worthy yet in your words I have shows you are scum that can't commit.

[Meuh]

I don't like this at all. In Newbie 2061 (The only game I could find with you and Meuh where you were scum) you may have had Marci in your scumreads but you did not actively push on her beyond a couple of questions and saying that a marci lim would work for you.

Regardless if you like it, my point is correct.
The argument here is that I could be scum with T3 for saying I have a town lean.
The only argument you are using is that I use the word push instead of read. The wording changes nothing to this and it still proves that meta and off meta was used to justify.
You can try to explain why I'm wrong with that part though

True, but I adressed this earlier in my post.

Wrong, you didn't explain anything.
You came fixated on a word that even if replaced has the exact same out come.

Either Marci is town, null, or scum to me in that game.
Either T3 is town, null, or scum to me in this game.
Since you feel high on the opinion to what I'm saying, explain why these are in anyway the same and also explain the differences we have in this game to the point of me joining in that game.

T3 did not change his vote between 1) and 3) so marci must have had two votes when VFP replaced in. I now think VFP is likley to be scum due to their use of flimsy reasoning and a verifiably false statment. I still want to pressure Bulge, so my vote stays where it is.

After I put you as a potential scum buddy of Meuh you are trying to come to the rescue. Its cute but I'm the wrong person to try that with.
I'm interested to why you have no interest on what the scum slip was with Meuh. Maybe trying to avoid it in the thread to gain negative attention to your buddy.

Meuh is going to be the lim today and a red flip means you are tomorrow.

Tone of this post as a whole is a big yikes, like not only because I find it scummy but it's probably not a great way to talk in a newbie game? Doesn't feel like posting to make in an environment where people are trying to learn how to play mafia
VFP your whole debunking of my argument is flimsy and at best only removes part of my argument, and I still don't see how any of this makes me scum, even if my logic was bad. This whole push feels very opportunistic, I clearly flipped a switch by bringing my ideas to the table.
You have no right to dictate who will be elimed today, what even is this

[VFP]

There's nothing offensive with what I'm saying, what are you even saying?

If other players don't lim you today I'll just spill what I have to ensure.
I'm very confident here.

[Meuh]

Also the fact you won't commit to a vote on me, when Buldge hasn't done anything scum worthy yet in your words I have shows you are scum that can't commit.

Why would a townie commit to a push on one of the most active players less than 1/5th into the day? We have literally a week before the day ends, why not just chill and apply pressure on less active people? There's places to look beyond your whole schtick with me and one of the people townreading you being scum. As it turns out, your argument isn't the only relevant thing in the game and not everyone think exactly the same as you. Shocker.

[VFP]

Also the fact you won't commit to a vote on me, when Buldge hasn't done anything scum worthy yet in your words I have shows you are scum that can't commit.

Why would a townie commit to a push on one of the most active players less than 1/5th into the day? We have literally a week before the day ends, why not just chill and apply pressure on less active people? There's places to look beyond your whole schtick with me and one of the people townreading you being scum. As it turns out, your argument isn't the only relevant thing in the game and not everyone think exactly the same as you. Shocker.

Again, it shouldn't be about active and ot active.
If you think someone is scum then push it.
Sym voting me does not end the day here, but it at least shows they believe what they are saying. Otherwise it's just shade, which is scummy.

Do you believe after Sym's last post that they want to play me as scum more than Buldge, or the other way around?

[Meuh]

Also the fact you won't commit to a vote on me, when Buldge hasn't done anything scum worthy yet in your words I have shows you are scum that can't commit.

Why would a townie commit to a push on one of the most active players less than 1/5th into the day? We have literally a week before the day ends, why not just chill and apply pressure on less active people? There's places to look beyond your whole schtick with me and one of the people townreading you being scum. As it turns out, your argument isn't the only relevant thing in the game and not everyone think exactly the same as you. Shocker.

Again, it shouldn't be about active and ot active.
If you think someone is scum then push it.
Sym voting me does not end the day here, but it at least shows they believe what they are saying. Otherwise it's just shade, which is scummy.

Do you believe after Sym's last post that they want to play me as scum more than Buldge, or the other way around?

not sure what exactly the "play me" wording implies but Sym pretty clearly views you as scummier than Bulge, but sees more benefit to keeping her vote on him.

[VFP]

not sure what exactly the "play me" wording implies but Sym pretty clearly views you as scummier than Bulge, but sees more benefit to keeping her vote on him.

And what benefit is that?

[Meuh]

not sure what exactly the "play me" wording implies but Sym pretty clearly views you as scummier than Bulge, but sees more benefit to keeping her vote on him.

And what benefit is that?

Pressure.

[VFP]

Pressure.

And what is Sym trying to get from this pressure?

[Meuh]

Pressure.

And what is Sym trying to get from this pressure?

Ask Sym

[VFP]

Well you seemed so sure to why Sym is still voting Buldge and that Sym is doing if for pressure directly, I expected you to have some inside information here?

[Meuh]

Well you seemed so sure to why Sym is still voting Buldge and that Sym is doing if for pressure directly, I expected you to have some inside information here?

I still want to pressure Bulge, so my vote stays where it is.

Yeah, I have a great source of inside information called post 110