Conception | Design Thread

[RH9]

Part of whether a poison over a kill would be ok is dependant on the variant of parity cop (2 target or one target) It would need some adjustment over a kill either way

I'm using the one target version.

[RH9]

Maybe I could have a conditional kill ability so that it functions as a usual kill when used on town but if used on the other scunteam, it instead serves as an Announcing Poisoner.

[RH9]

Basically this.

Factional Abilities

• I'm going to use a variation of
  43
  .
  • Each scum faction chooses a player at Night to invoke their auspices on, including their own members (though the target and actor can not be the same).
    
  • Under normal circumstances, the player will be confirmed to be unaligned with the opposing scumteam and be cured from Poison, resulting in a message like
    [Light/Dark] flee from …; They are unaligned with the [

    Benediction

    /

    Malediction

    ]
    
    
  • If both scumteams chose the same player or a member of the opposing scumteam was chosen, nothing will happen.
• They also have a factional Conditional killing ability, which serves as a usual kill if not used on the other scumteam, where it instead works as an Announcing Poisoner.

[RH9]

Setup Variant X

Distribution

9 Invocation - Uninformed Majority

2 Malediction - Informed Minority

2 Benediction - Informed Minority

Roles

Deification - Ascetic IC Triggered Treestump (becomes Treestump after decease)

Extroversion - Companion (Adds players to seperate hoods)

Compassion - Combined Bodyguard Roleblocker

Repulsion - Hated Miller

Relation - Parity Cop

Placation - Peacekeeper

2 Affiliation - Neighbor

Equivocation - Mystic (Investigation actions fail on them)

Sedition - Fruit Vendor (Sends flyers instead of fruit)

Attraction - Loved Godfather

Confirmation - Checker

Notes

• I'll use the wiki spelling for roles.
  
• I'm going to use a variation of
  43
  .
  • Each scum faction chooses a player at Night to invoke their auspices on, including their own members (though the target and actor can not be the same).
    
  • Under normal circumstances, the player will be confirmed to be unaligned with the opposing scumteam and be cured from Poison, resulting in a message like
    [Light/Dark] flee from …; They are unaligned with the [

    Benediction

    /

    Malediction

    ]
    
    
  • If both scumteams chose the same player or a member of the opposing scumteam was chosen, nothing will happen.
• They also have a factional Conditional killing ability, which serves as a usual kill if not used on the other scumteam, where it instead works as an Announcing Poisoner.

[jjh927]

I for one was very much under the impression both factions had nightkills

[jjh927]

The main reason for the disloyal stuff in the 2 scum roles was to give them a serious nudge for fakeclaims, but that could very easily be something given to scum anyway

[RH9]

Should my changes be OK balance-wise?

[RH9]

Also, Repulsion will be treated as the opposing scumteam by the scum factional abilities while Attraction will be treated as town.

[MegAzumarill]

It's really strong combined with placation if they coordinate so I would gate it to fill X-shot, or non-consecutive, whichever wasn't chosen for Introversion

About compassion.

Also walk me through your reasoning for the change to attraction.

[RH9]

It's really strong combined with placation if they coordinate so I would gate it to fill X-shot, or non-consecutive, whichever wasn't chosen for Introversion

About compassion.

Also walk me through your reasoning for the change to attraction.

Regarding Compassion, maybe I could give it the Obsessive and Compulsive modifiers.
Regarding Attraction, I wanted to give scum something less powerful than an Unstoppable and Godfather was one of the first roles that came into my head.

[jjh927]

Just to confirm, how would the parity cop interact with the godfather?

[jjh927]

I'm a bit worried this has gone back to the "throwing roles into the setup and seeing whether they mesh" approach rather than synergising with what's there

[MegAzumarill]

I concur it's losing some cohesion.

Alright here's what we got for town roles:
3 Killstoppers, 1 which is gated
A weaker side alignment investigative
IC
Miller
3 private communicators.


What do we give scum to deal with this?

[MegAzumarill]

The answer is probably not protection from the singular investogative, and instead a way to bypass killblockers at least once or twice.

Either that or a way to identify threats seems more fitting given this town lineup.

[RH9]

Just to confirm, how would the parity cop interact with the godfather?

It'll treat it as Town.

[RH9]

The answer is probably not protection from the singular investogative, and instead a way to bypass killblockers at least once or twice.

Either that or a way to identify threats seems more fitting given this town lineup.

Got that.
How does replacing

Equivocation

and

Attraction

to

Ambition - Strong-Willed

and

Inspiration - Strengthener

sound?

[RH9]

Concept names are subject to change but I want to keep all concepts ending with -ion.

[RH9]

Setup Variant XI

Distribution

9 Invocation - Uninformed Majority

2 Malediction - Informed Minority

2 Benediction - Informed Minority

Roles

Deification - Ascetic IC Triggered Treestump (becomes Treestump after decease)

Extroversion - Companion (Adds players to seperate hoods)

Compassion - Combined Bodyguard Roleblocker

Aversion

Relation - Parity Cop

Placation - Peacekeeper

2 Affiliation - Neighbor

Inclination - Strong-Willed Godfather

Sedition - Fruit Vendor (Sends flyers instead of fruit)

Inspiration - Strengthener Lawyer

Confirmation - Checker

Notes

• I'll use the wiki spelling for roles.
  
• I'm going to use a variation of
  43
  .
  • Each scum faction chooses a player at Night to invoke their auspices on, including their own members (though the target and actor can not be the same).
    
  • Under normal circumstances, the player will be confirmed to be unaligned with the opposing scumteam and be cured from Poison, resulting in a message like
    [Light/Dark] flee from …; They are unaligned with the [

    Benediction

    /

    Malediction

    ]
    
    
  • If both scumteams chose the same player or a member of the opposing scumteam was chosen, nothing will happen.
• They also have a factional Conditional killing ability, which serves as a usual kill if not used on the other scumteam, where it instead works as an Announcing Poisoner.

[RH9]

I increased scum power so that it can undermine both Town's investigatives and blockers.

[jjh927]

I think more than anything this change just really fucks the town roles into not acting how anyone would reasonably expect, except one of the scumteams needs both their players alive to do it and the other one just needs a specific one

[jjh927]

I think MegAz was steering you in the direction of either something resource-based, so that scum had to make active decisions around their counterplay, or something more indirect- such as a means to identify the key roles in order to best prioritise who to NK.

Whereas that most recent change basically just passively invalidates most of the town power without any need for thinking about counterplay

[RH9]

I think MegAz was steering you in the direction of either something resource-based, so that scum had to make active decisions around their counterplay, or something more indirect- such as a means to identify the key roles in order to best prioritise who to NK.

Whereas that most recent change basically just passively invalidates most of the town power without any need for thinking about counterplay

Got that.
Should I bring back

Equivocation

and have

Inspiration

be just a

Strengthener

?

[RH9]

Actually, what do you think of me replacing two main scum roles with a Redirector and Bus Driver?

[jjh927]

Redirective stuff would increase the general amount of chaos in the setup, but would also allow for some scum counterplay

I'm not sure if there's an established role/modifier that guarantees a player will always target their original target, but a town role that targeted someone to do that would be interesting. Probably instead of the peacekeeper

[RH9]

Redirective stuff would increase the general amount of chaos in the setup, but would also allow for some scum counterplay

I'm not sure if there's an established role/modifier that guarantees a player will always target their original target, but a town role that targeted someone to do that would be interesting. Probably instead of the peacekeeper

There is

Unredirectable

that can ensure players can't be redirected.
There's also

Empowerer

that can 'make actions unable to be blocked or redirected', according to the wiki.