Mini Normal 2080 ft. My Cats [Game Over]

[nomnomnom]

By the way me being against a NL is a gut reaction and you're basically asking me to have more faith in Nero.
Because yes, if Nero is town!rolecop then no lynch is perhaps the best route.
If he is scum this is a disaster about to happen.

[nomnomnom]

I think we're gaining way more info to work with than whatever player is getting NKed.

Can we go through the scenarios together?

[nomnomnom]

I might just start only posting in gifs and pics today. its soo agonizing to think nom pays about as much heed to reason as they do pictures that move.

I think too much. I'd rather think too much than not enough.
You can make this easier or flood the thread with gifs.

[nomnomnom]

I think we're gaining way more info to work with than whatever player is getting NKed.

Can we go through the scenarios together?

Scum killing skitter would be doing me a huge favour still.

Alternatively they can kill me and that's the best thing that could happen.

What if I die?

[nomnomnom]

I'll be honest one of the reasons I am angsty about this plan is because there is a realistic chance I get nightkilled and that you idiots eventually endgame town by voting skitter

[nomnomnom]

I'll be honest one of the reasons I am angsty about this plan is because there is a realistic chance I get nightkilled and that you idiots eventually endgame town by voting skitter

We aren't lynching outside of Vork/Nero tomorrow.

Yes I know.
But if I am not there in last 3 then I am honestly really scared you guys go for skitter :/

[nomnomnom]

:Lets play a game.

Its called - why does nero cop vork instead of piss if he is scum?

if nero was scum with anyone but me he would have just claimed to cop me and that I returned literally anything but miller. Boom, Im done.

Nom doesnt want to answer - and Im doing this for you mainly nom - but i dont think they think piss/nero is a team thats likely.
Nero has no reason, as scum, to not fake a guilty on me. Vork is just an outside option for that, and we all know that. Vorkguilty makes less sense if nero is scum than pissguilty.
Therefore, nero is likely town. period. We can safely lynch vork.

however, we also can nl safely too, trusting this. And we can always reevaluate tomorrow anyway. nothing need be set in stone.


Stop being a shakely leaf about doing anything decisive nom, please.

If I'm doing something I want to be damn sure about the consequences.

[nomnomnom]

hello i've read exactly nothing since i've been here last

Honestly I am so unsure about that 1v1 I'm considering a PK lynch especially since he invoked a strongman existing in this game while pushing you as last scum. Might be slip.

uuurgh please

[nomnomnom]

Just speculation. I imagine that going after the cop with a strongarm sounds nice, but we dont actually know if the doc was on them.

Wait a second.
Why are you talking about a Strongman?

That + pushing Vork/You =

[nomnomnom]

now i don't think i'm lynchable anymore

I actually think that's not true because somehow Creature and PK have expressed you are likely scum.

[nomnomnom]

there aren't four votes

also how were 15 pages posted in like a day ... did anything important happen or ... ?

otherwise i'm just going to ignore it as noise and continue looking at day1

before you do please tell me what you think about a NL since it's proposed

I trust your opinion here more than PK's anyway.

[nomnomnom]

i know, he wouldn't answer why he thought that was a good idea yesterday

as far as i can tell it's kinda 3-3 nero v vork - no-lynching just kills in favor of scum as far as i can tell, and the gridlock gets broken that way
am i missing something here ?

Yeah, that's what I thought too. This opens the gate for scums.
PK's play today makes me feel really confused, this is basically 15 pages of him writing really weird shit that shades two people. I'm lowkey thinking of pushing there.
But yeah, that's all. Good luck with your day 1 analysis.

[nomnomnom]

no-lynching just kills in favor of scum as far as i can tell

Well, I believe you're a good player. My reads are also pretty flexible.

So no, it's not going to be one scum kills one town player on the opposing side and the wrong town doesn't bat an eye.

i'm p sure you're the wrong!townie here and i'm nervous that if i'm like dead overnight you'll just vote wrong

The mindmeld is strong here.

[nomnomnom]

I'm legit confused about this 1v1 now. And all of that is pretty much because of PK.
So I think I need a new perspective on all of this, somehow. Thinking outside the box etc.

[nomnomnom]

S

i think most of today is noise, honestly

we've posted like 1000 posts in like three irl days (we reached post 5000 this dayphse)

i think rereading day1 will be more helpful

Yeah, you're correct. The most noise comes from PK and me for discussing a lot lol.
I'll take a look at D1 too.

[nomnomnom]

my reasoning is that the element that makes this 1v1 increasingly harder is PK coming in the thread and wrecking havocs and creating messy associatives that make me scared of voting Vork and Nero altogether, so perhaps this is the only way to go forward and sort this 1v1 because jesus.

[nomnomnom]

I mean even if we do Lynch piss today then you still have to vote vork tomorrow for town to win

I mean from your POV that's obvious.
I do think that a flipped scum helps us work through the associatives that were spewed today, though.

[nomnomnom]

Vork is town reading piss so he won't vote him and I guarantee that vork will argue that it was a me/piss team all along and that he just got fooled

Yeah but that's just the natural course of order since you have a guilty on him.
That doesn't change the reality that if we have this on the table then we can look through associations and this game with the fact that Urap/PK is a team, and the third scum should be easier to find between you two.

This is only a bad plan if you believe me, creature or skitter have any chance to be scum though, so yeah.

[nomnomnom]

Ok, I Lynch piss and he flips scum ??? Do you vote vork or me?

I probably do the same as I'm doing now, with a bit more confidence for associatives. Kinda like the large we played in.
...Last time this happened you ended up with me dead and Axe endgaming you so I will not blame you if you are scared about that outcome

[nomnomnom]

If we're confident in this then I think we have a stronger shot with a PK lynch.
I need to work through my last doubts about creature but otherwise I think this is sound. Kinda the same reason why we started a solve with Bob in the large we played despite having to solve the Eevee/Sky mechanical 1v1 eventually.

[nomnomnom]

hahahahaha

[nomnomnom]

I re-read day 1 and associatives are fuzzy.
I see Buj suspecting Nero and Vork equally. I had in mind Vork's day 1 which was horrendous (and why I voted him) so there's that too.

My heart still thinks lynching PK is the best solution.

[nomnomnom]

The problem is that Vork and NC might never follow. And obviously PK is against it. But I feel it's worth a shot? Maybe?

[nomnomnom]

You are literally the Worst person to play mafia with.

I hope you know Im blacklisting you

I'm just trying to solve this mess, but alright, go ahead I guess

[nomnomnom]

U only voted vork bc he voted you. Don't act like you are my dad's gift to mafia.

That's not what happened.

[nomnomnom]

BUJ thought your play was ass and questioned you sheeping Vork.
Same for Vork.

His read changed to a townread to both of you later that day.

[nomnomnom]

I'm trying to decide if i should trust past!me's reads or present!me's teads

We're kinda in the same boat you and I with this.

[nomnomnom]

Vork tunneled on me pretty hard for a while too after my push there day 1.
But the problem with my NC read is that it had a big assumption, and it was just proven wrong.

This 1v1 is too hard. If we all read PK as scum then maybe it's the better lynch. It furthers our victory if Nero is town too.

[nomnomnom]

Plus the role flip might indicate if Nero is telling the truth or lying because it would assert a better judgement for the place of an encryptor in this game. That sounds pretty good too.

[nomnomnom]

It's not about being in MYLO or LYLO. In LYLO we are in the same situation with Nero having an additional result that may or may not help town and you give scums more vote power. It might free our hard time getting a lynch but it does so in favor of scum. And considering me or skitter are probably dying in that next time I do not want to go there.

pedit: It's a possibility and that is what I did in the Large I played with nero in it, before scums tried to do a last minute gambit when they realized we had the correct solve.

[nomnomnom]

Considering I was right that last time and that we only lost because of a grudge between two townies maybe I am not that stupid.

Also nothing has happened yet. We're discussing. We have like what, a week to go through?

[nomnomnom]

Wanted to expediate today by voting Vork, not reading through then getting frustrated when we explore new thoughts avenues.
This is what's making me stress about voting Vork altogether, basically.

[nomnomnom]

Maybe saying openly that this fear of being wrong and this fear of ruining games was a wrong move lol

[nomnomnom]

The fact he pushed Skitter really really hard makes me think that this is the final plan.
Again, I feel like lynching PK isn't that bad of an idea if we're all on board with it.
If you have the slightest bit of doubt for me/skitter/creature then I guess not. Otherwise I find it straight up logical.

[nomnomnom]

If that's a scum PR I'd say this also furthers our victory a lot because that would even the balance of the game and that's why perhaps Vork would refuse to do this. Pretty sure he expressed disapproval too?

[nomnomnom]

I just knew Shoshin wasn't cop from the way the claim happened. My role played a part in it but claiming Cop, then gated cop, then xxx gated cop was adding more and more. I just knew there was something wrong. And I townread Cinn on day 1. I don't think I'm universally right on these things. It's just what I did and thought. And in the end I was right.

[nomnomnom]

Interesting ISO.
I only stopped myself at beginning of day 1 and did not go through it properly, you've done a much finer job than me.

[nomnomnom]

Because I thought Nero was mindmelding with me and understanding that I was an invest PR.
He also did not claim despite being so close to being hammered, which is... interesting.

[nomnomnom]

I never said that was scum indicative.
I said it was interesting. Why didn't you claim at all?

[nomnomnom]

I never said that was scum indicative.
I said it was interesting. Why didn't you claim at all?

Why should a fucking rolecop that doesn't know he'll be protected claim?

Because you're at L-1?
I don't know. I would have claimed.

[nomnomnom]

You don't understand my position and the mindfuckery I am going through here, dude.

Like urgh... aaaaaaah....

[nomnomnom]

If that was the case I would not have unvoted you.
I think there's a world where you tell the truth. Vork's play day 1 was trash. His tunnel on me was bad.
But there are things happening with you and how PK acts around this game that fucks with my head and I don't know how to interpret it.
I'm sorry. I need time.

[nomnomnom]

Do you understand why there's a part of me that wants to go PK?

[nomnomnom]

Scum's nightkill would perhaps narrow it down. And associatives.
I know you pretty much want to do your job if you're town and getting your guilty lynched but this is god damn difficult.

[nomnomnom]

This is just too much pressure and I want the way out for today

[nomnomnom]

@Skitter well?

[nomnomnom]

It's almost like I've been saying this a thousand times lol

[nomnomnom]

THAT is the post that changed your mind though PK? One post?

[nomnomnom]

Yeah, it's been tiring for me too dude.
Being called the worst person ever by two different people is not something fun. At all.
That got to me outside of this game and honestly this feels shitty. I don't want to play mafia to get to these situations. It's terrible.

[nomnomnom]

@PK please place your vote somewhere

[nomnomnom]

Nom, he is not going to vote until you and skitter vote so he can qh

I want him to vote for that reason.

[nomnomnom]

Logically it can only be PK right? In every scenario.
The only thing that scares me is how Creature is playing with his vote around but like, yeah. It's PK probably, which is why I think it's not that bad of a plan lynching there, if that's what you wanna do.

[nomnomnom]

Perhaps you should answer the question

[nomnomnom]

I'm honestly still waiting for PK to place down a vote that isn't a NL.

[nomnomnom]

But nom is on point with just wanting to Lynch him

That is honestly a very surprising development coming from you.

[nomnomnom]

actually whoa

thats slimey all over, especially if he's the one making that the conclusion

Ill vote him, sure

Frankly Im at the point where I think that if you are scum, youve earned the W anyway

Scum rolecop makes oddles of sensicals in this setup too

And that's your vote?

VOTE: vork

[nomnomnom]

I'm pretty sick of having this feeling of having my brain being fucked around dude.
I want PK gone, this is not possible. I'd rather have this gone now and let the people that get to tomorrow sort it out between you two.

[nomnomnom]

@Nero, if you're serious about thinking Vork/PK are the scum, I'd want to see if you vote PK here.
I'm sorry to make you go through this if you're town but I feel this is the right decision.

[nomnomnom]

I'm more confident on nero being scum

This 1v1 fucks with my head and we kinda all agree that PK is scum here, unless you think there's any chance that me or creature is scum there's kinda no reason not to go there. Or if you believe in Vork/Nero being an elaborate bus.

[nomnomnom]

Hm, at least you're committed.

@Skit should we vote PK here? And see if Creature wants to hammer?

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: PK
Skitter, if you survive to tomorrow please pay attention to PK's flip and take that into consideration.

[nomnomnom]

PK I know you're trying to get out of this by any means necessary but you're not going to do it by calling everyone scum rofl

[nomnomnom]

took you ages to vote vork.

i cannot bring myself to understand the logic of this?

have you ever been in doubt of my read on vork? i just literally do not understand how you think this. never have

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actually whoa

thats slimey all over, especially if he's the one making that the conclusion

Ill vote him, sure

Frankly Im at the point where I think that if you are scum, youve earned the W anyway

Scum rolecop makes oddles of sensicals in this setup too

And that's your vote?

VOTE: vork

[nomnomnom]

Sure.
But then saying you always were on vork 100% is disingenuous.
Plus saying that when you have a NL vote for the majority of the day is, again, disingenuous.

I just think you're scum and you're flailing really hard right now.

[nomnomnom]

I feel like its probably just the simple answer but i'm slightly nervous that all of this noise is coloring that decision

Yeah. With all this shit this 1v1 is making me increasingly anxious and PK just seems like scum flailing by saying we're both scum and all.
The flip will help us. If this flips scum PR, I think Nero is right here. If this flips goon then it's probably a fake guilty.

[nomnomnom]

I just think there's no way you flip green.
Skitter is town 100%, creature is like, 95% town. You're scum in almost all scenarios. My mind goes back and forth on Nero and Vork and both their early games are questionable and they've both done shit that's questionable.
On the other hand I think you've been undeniably scummy, and your flip helps solve this 1v1 tomorrow.

[nomnomnom]

Why does a goon flip make it a fake guilty?

Same reason why I believe Skitter cannot be scum with Vork.

[nomnomnom]

What hammer?

[nomnomnom]

Are you sure

[nomnomnom]

I'm honestly still scared about going to the 1v1 I'll be honest.

[nomnomnom]

I'm honestly still scared about going to the 1v1 I'll be honest.

I feel like it's nero but i'm nervous to commit and i'm nervous to go out of the 1v1 and i feel like vork has gonr radio silent and ahauiahhaucaha

I'm fairly confident you and creature are town

I dont yhink vork/nero is a thing

So maybe pk really is thr best for today

Yeah.
Again, flip's gonna help a lot. You know my stance in case I were to die. Scum is Nero if PK flips goon. If he flips PR then his guilty on Vork is more potent and we go Vork.

[nomnomnom]

This is logically the best choice and me going 1v1 would be going against the logical conclusion of today.
Also Creature is right, Vork/Skitter and Vork/Creature are not a thing because there is no hammer and since Nero said he was supposed to be an encryptor that would have happened.

PK is just one scum. The scum flip indicates guilty truthness. That's the solve I'm going for.

[nomnomnom]

Again, optimal vote skitter.
The flip only confirms or goes against your conviction so yeah. Nothing to be scared of.

[nomnomnom]

Creature refuses to vote me. He explicitly says I am town.

That is not true

[nomnomnom]

You're the one that should quote Creature calling you town and that he refused to vote you, rather.

[nomnomnom]

You're probably gone for a while because you will not find a quote that says it, because it doesn't exist and it's a manipulative lie.

[nomnomnom]

Nom is being kind of scummy, don't you think skit?

Dont you think i'm scum?

He changes his version every minute dude.
He's just trying to make you not vote there.
There is literally only one partner to Vork/Nero and it's there. He is backed into a corner, literally.

[nomnomnom]

Everything else is associative game and trying to get away from that shit.
The only thing that will really matter is how he flips. With the flip we can easily solve the 1v1 and it's a town win.

[nomnomnom]

I know your heart tells you nero, and I'm here saying the solution is something else and that probably is nerve wracking.
It really is the solution though. If PK flips goon, you have your confirmation that Nero has a fake guilty. If PK flips PR, Nero's claim has a lot more weight and you should reconsider your scumread on him.

[nomnomnom]

It's the same result!

[nomnomnom]

This does manage to get Creature on board with us, though, since he is doubting Nero is scum. And I still have doubts.
I think PK is straight up better, and it leads to the same conclusion. So yeah.

[nomnomnom]

Not sure what Vork is doing but I don't really care.
All that matters is PK's flip.

[nomnomnom]

@Skit you are facing people that will directly refuse to vote Nero, and you have also me that is increasingly worried about Nero. A PK lynch results in a NC lynch tomorrow anyway in case PK flips goon. There's no reason to stall this.

Also you are trying to reason with a guy that is writing stuff like this and that should be enough to tell you that he just doesn't want you to vote him.

baby that's survivalism for you.

Im considering voting nero because at least theres a nonzero chance of him being scum fmpov

Please vote PK and we'll try to get creature to vote there too.

[nomnomnom]

Creature-vork and you-vork have been proven not possible given to no hammer on PK, so yeah, impossible.
You just want to vote your gut, and I understand, but when you have a guy that is pretty much scum saying "Yeah i'll vote with you on your gut vote" that is straight up an alarm sign dude. We're playing with fire if PK votes Nero and you follow there.

[nomnomnom]

Creature does not hammer so you'd practically ask me to hammer with all these elements and that would just make me feel fucking awful.

[nomnomnom]

Thank you.
@Creature Can you please hammer this?

[nomnomnom]

Skit by the way, this is really important.
You REALLY need to reconsider if PK flips PR, alright? It's important. I trust you, but I want you to remember this going into tomorrow if I get NK'd.

[nomnomnom]

No scare here
Take it to night, chief.

[nomnomnom]

I'm unsure what Vork does seeing this actually.
That'd be interesting.

[nomnomnom]

Ok this is the right vote unless vork/nero which i think is ridiculous

This is ridiculous, right?

I mean it's possible but that means that if Vork goes down we immediatly suspect Nero if he survives which seemed really bad.

[nomnomnom]

@mod

I, the scum, concede

skit, unvote, and watch

?

[nomnomnom]

@Creature just hammer and save us from this incoming masquerade

[nomnomnom]

Fuck you nom, you dont talk to me any more

That's sad because you've just made me laugh really hard holy shit

[nomnomnom]

Sorry Piss.
I know you got annoyed with this game but I just played to my wincondition. Hope you are not too annoyed with me

I was a 1-shot strongman. Used it on Shoshin night 1.

@of no objection to release the PT. It's a really fun PT I really recommend reading it

[nomnomnom]

Same @Dp if he's reading this btw. I just played to my wincondition. Sorry.

[nomnomnom]

I liked that little conceding attempt rofl

[nomnomnom]

If that's any consolation the PT is a wild ride lmao

also @Shoshin you probably should never fakeclaim like this as town ever again. I think you gave me way too much room to play with

[nomnomnom]

I do think you should have claimed your vest, and I do think you should have realized your solve was wrong because a doctor and a one shot BP should strongly indicate that 2 goons and an encryptor was the wrong solve.

[nomnomnom]

Also maybr i should have been more suspicious about nom conftowning me because i'm still not sure i understood the logic there

I still think you should have been conftowned the moment Nero claimed and I am still mind boggled that everyone on the table still wanted to vote you rofl. It's kinda crazy.

[nomnomnom]

NL would result in either creature or you dying.

I was never dying bc it confirms vork as scum. Creature probs dies unless scum thought skitter would have reset.

Just imagine if we had nl yesterday (like I wanted) and got a guilty. Y'all coulda lynched me today and vork tomorrow.

I discussed this with Vork, my first thought was nightkilling you and bussing Vork, and endgame PK. Vork did not agree and wanted to win today or on the day of the NL and lose everything if he was lynched. It's interesting how differently we think about the same issues.

[nomnomnom]

Not given that I would have probably bussed Vork way harder today and try to win the game that way

[nomnomnom]

Also maybr i should have been more suspicious about nom conftowning me because i'm still not sure i understood the logic there

I still think you should have been conftowned the moment Nero claimed and I am still mind boggled that everyone on the table still wanted to vote you rofl. It's kinda crazy.

I don't know why creature and piss thought she was scummy but for me she was defending vork so. Also in theory I don't think goon/goon/encryptor vs. doc/rolecop2 shot joats and Miller is really unbalanced. You just knew it was wrong and it was a perspective slip

Probably right

[nomnomnom]

by the way, cute cats all around @Of

[nomnomnom]

Is there a dead PT I can check? I like checking those.

[nomnomnom]

I said I gunsmithed Buj, iirc.

[nomnomnom]

JOAT, with a tracker and gs shot.

Used my GS shot on Buj day 1, got a negative result.

Used my tracker shot last night on Vork, he did not visit anyone.

Yup.

[nomnomnom]

I think I said in thread that you had to Neap urap for that push day 2. Is that what you did, by the way?

[nomnomnom]

Same @Dp if he's reading this btw. I just played to my wincondition. Sorry.

I know but saying you dislike someone personally because they scumread you kinda isn't cool. I'm here to have fun and make friends first and win games second, frankly.

I don't remember saying that at all. If that was it was all about, then I think it was a misunderstanding.
I specifically said that I do not appreciate when people lie about what I said, and I stand by that. I would probably be equally pissed as town. That does not think I said I do not dislike you personally, however. I only said that I did not like that specifically. That's all.

[nomnomnom]

That doesn't mean I said I dislike you as a person*
Wtf did I just write lol

But yeah. I said something specific. I don't think I dislike people personally over mafia games, just what they're doing, which was the case! Again, if that's what made you replace out then it was a misunderstanding. I hope you understand

[nomnomnom]

Keeping track of n1 actions here:
Teacher doctors skitter

I am actually shocked.

[nomnomnom]

His explanation makes sense. Good reasoning, made us waste a shot

[nomnomnom]

Would be surprised if that was the case.

[nomnomnom]

I guess I'm interested in the answer now!

[nomnomnom]

God damn it.
I'm sorry you took it the wrong way Krazy. I would not attack players personally during games.
I feel so bad you took it this way. I apologize. Damn it

[nomnomnom]

I apologize either way. I value our friendship and I like you both as a player and a person.
Again, I don't attack players personally during games. I only criticize play.
I hope you accept my apology in the future but I'll understand if you think it was so bad you want some distance.

Again, I apologize.

[nomnomnom]

Now it makes a shit ton of sense why you specifically would scumread me for making a play this outrageous this game hahahaha

[nomnomnom]

*hug*
thank you
You'll see in the PT that you greatly scared me

[nomnomnom]

We knew teacher was doc very early on. Urap caught a very early crumb. We let the slot live because teacher was a mislynch in a world where people were buying Urap/teacher as a scumteam.

I still definitely think that in the context of this game, your fakeclaim gave me a lot of room to work with. How Nero approached my slot was weird (and you'll see in the PT that I was shocked when he claimed invest lol), but it still gave me a lot of room to work with to do things. Also considering that your plan was to claim a fake guilty on Urap, then it was absolutely right to kill you because that would have spelled my demise right on the spot because I was representing cop on the table and this is where the castle of cards starts falling for me if you do this. That, and despite having a bad table image at that point and a lot of people thinking you're fake claiming, you still had a good grasp on the game and I felt that you with people like Skitter had the power to solve this game eventually because of what you did. So we shot there.

We used the strongman because we thought teacher was heavily signalling to go there. There was a doc crumb and he was implying that this is where he would go. Discovering he did otherwise was honestly shocking lol.

I just think that maybe you probably would have won this game as a VT claim that solved the game for town. Your play polarized your spot and you forced the scumteam to take action on you. There's a lot of subtelty around what we did. It's not just your claim, and how I played around your claim. The scum PT is long for a reason

[nomnomnom]

You're mostly correct on a few things. I definitely expected to go down a few times this game. I was going to come forward with a roleblock explanation eventually but Nero's claim opened the way for an explanation of why I would be left alive in the long run, because a scum rolecop would see my role and say they're not very much at risk. That's what I banked on, honestly, and that's why I specifically claimed joat with a gs and tracker shot. There are worlds where people do not buy my claim at all and I go down, but it worked, so yeah.

Is there some special benefit to your behavior around the claim that makes all the risk worthwhile? I don't see it past N1.

Honestly? It was just intuition. I saw the playerlist and I saw a few people like Nero that would probably think I make my role really obvious because of how I handled the large with him. When you said you knew me from undertale, I also knew I could abuse this angle. In other playerlists, with people that know that my scumrange is way more wide, maybe I would have played a lot more conservatively. But here? I let myself go all out. I can't explain it anyway

[nomnomnom]

Let's just say that there were town inaccuracies this game and that the scumteam abused them. The fact that teacher was scumread was a massive advantage for us. The fact that nero did not check cinn n1 and believed my claim was a massive advantage for us.

[nomnomnom]

But yeah. I guess it's just a matter of perspective. You come accross to me as a good solver. I think it would benefit you to not draw a target on your back, and to instead in such a way to be able to solve more games as town. That's what I think

[nomnomnom]

I mostly disagree, aside from point of view around fake claiming as town, because Shoshin is setting herself up as a weak player that benefits town if she dies, which I believe is a mistake when you show the qualities of a good solver. I think you would simply benefit for a more straightforward game where you allow yourself to live longer. If you live longer than d1 here, you could probably have pinned us 3. This is way more important than saving power roles imo. If you claimed VT and that people disengaged on you, the scumteam here would have been met with a choice of trying to aim for a PR, or shoot for a player that has the ability to solve this game (skitter, DP, and you). Even if the scumteam was to believe your claim, you basically remove your vote and your voice from this game, which, as a VT, is honestly very devastating if you have a chance at solving the game.

That's what I believe anyway. I believe you're a good player and that you're better than doing things like this. You're setting yourself up for failure imo.

[nomnomnom]

rude

[nomnomnom]

this is ehat nom accused me of doing, which is still a ridiculous accusation btw

Sorry.
I got pocketed by Nero.

[nomnomnom]

It would have been a way harder decision.
We had DP in mind a lot too. I think a VT claim would have resulted in DP dying n1.

[nomnomnom]

Considering DP had a meta edge on me, possibly not?
But considering your mindset you could have come to the same conclusion either way.

[nomnomnom]

you'll heavily regret that hahaha