PookyTheMagicalBear v Flavor Leaf (Game Over)

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Like do you not get it.
If dunn is just scum, great

the game becomes a micro that's in day 4, with 3 masons alive, one of which cannot be silenced, 1 vig, and 1 detective that for some reason is in the game, with plenty of information to work with.

If he's town and DEB is scum, great

the game becomes a micro that's in day 4 with 3 masons alive, one of which that can't be silenced, 1 vig, and plenty of information to work with.

Like the game is just over for scum lol, what can you do.
Scum has to get by with 2 more mislynches, and even if they can get those 2 more mislynches and get to F5, town is going to have a really strong solve given the people that we want to flip will have their flips become super meaningful regardless regardless of what it actually flips.

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I could live with the solve of assuming Solstice/Ircher/Mastina/Ydrasse are all town and just eliminating from everyone outside of it until all scum r dead.

- Norwee

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Oh no. Masons controlling the game. Let me complain about it and shade them so hard that maybe my scum team won’t get completely destroyed. That’s way easier than solving when nobody cares about my Ydrasse read.

- Norwee

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You don’t get it. If the masonry wants me dead or part of it, why shouldn’t scum pile on? Or let scum do nothing while the masonry doles out misrlims like there going out of style? Maybe it’s not obvious yet but if I were actually scum here, I’d be beyond stoked that the masonry in their infinite wisdom is pretty handing out scum miselims. So scum has basically two possible options when it comes to our slot, they can either pile on or they can sit back and do nothing while a demotivated town acts like sheeple and takes your bad direction. I can’t say whether any of this is the case for any of your other reads but I obviously know it’s the case for us.

well you see, if they do that, then thats okay, because if you flip town, then that makes them look bad and if the players we want to flip flip town, then that makes them look bad

You guys controlling the game is the main reason it sucks so bad now ftr. It was actually really fun and exciting after we had our first scumflip then you guys essentially ruined it.

The game was over when Bell flipped scum.

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You don’t get it. If the masonry wants me dead or part of it, why shouldn’t scum pile on? Or let scum do nothing while the masonry doles out misrlims like there going out of style? Maybe it’s not obvious yet but if I were actually scum here, I’d be beyond stoked that the masonry in their infinite wisdom is pretty handing out scum miselims. So scum has basically two possible options when it comes to our slot, they can either pile on or they can sit back and do nothing while a demotivated town acts like sheeple and takes your bad direction. I can’t say whether any of this is the case for any of your other reads but I obviously know it’s the case for us.

well you see, if they do that, then thats okay, because if you flip town, then that makes them look bad and if the players we want to flip flip town, then that makes them look bad

You guys controlling the game is the main reason it sucks so bad now ftr. It was actually really fun and exciting after we had our first scumflip then you guys essentially ruined it.

The game was over when Bell flipped scum.

You mean the game actually BEGAN when Bell flipped scum.

no its literally just over.
there's no game to play given the abundance of information that was created during days 1 and 2.

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like the puzzle has been solved.

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I just don’t get ur random AtE.
We’re very close to winning.
And instead of helping out with the final stages of the solve you just whine about how we’re shutting you down, when you’re literally in the PoE.
If we’re wrong then help us get there, none of this Bell!AtE garbage.

- Norwee

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@Mastina

Solstice/Ircher/Ydrasse
Do you think any of the above slots are likely to flip scum?

- Norwee

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people were planting the seeds that would set up toogeloo to be elimination bait on days 1 and 2.
I know spiffeh planted a few of those seeds.
noraa planted them.

and naturally when the whole masonry gets outed and people realize that creature isn't scum and they're allowed to re-align their reads, then ofc people are going to put that slot back on their radar.

Like what ur saying starts to make sense but I can't see the pieces that are supporting that piece and thats because I don't think they actually exist.
You could argue dunn is supporting it by voting dunn but no one cares about dunn's reads at this stage of the game tbh. No one is going to care when dunn flips scum. People are still going to want to kill him, and even more so if polar bears flips town. Polar Bears flipping scum is the only slot I can see bussing toogeloo and would actually give him cred, but people aren't going to care about this cred. If Polar Bears flips scum but Spiffeh flips town by the time its F7 or F5, people aren't going to know where the fuck to go, and they're going to eliminate toogeloo.

Drafting people who stay under the radar is a losing strategy in this setup.
I lost doing it in Ali vs Titus where I drafted a MariaR + Dunnstral hydra, Reasonably Rational, Bitmap, and AaronFrost.

But its also kinda just impossible to talk you out of a tunnel which is very relatable tbh.

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people were planting the seeds that would set up toogeloo to be elimination bait on days 1 and 2.
I know spiffeh planted a few of those seeds.
noraa planted them.

and naturally when the whole masonry gets outed and people realize that creature isn't scum and they're allowed to re-align their reads, then ofc people are going to put that slot back on their radar.

Like what ur saying starts to make sense but I can't see the pieces that are supporting that piece and thats because I don't think they actually exist.
You could argue dunn is supporting it by voting dunn but no one cares about dunn's reads at this stage of the game tbh. No one is going to care when dunn flips scum. People are still going to want to kill him, and even more so if polar bears flips town. Polar Bears flipping scum is the only slot I can see bussing toogeloo and would actually give him cred, but people aren't going to care about this cred. If Polar Bears flips scum but Spiffeh flips town by the time its F7 or F5, people aren't going to know where the fuck to go, and they're going to eliminate toogeloo.

Drafting people who stay under the radar is a losing strategy in this setup.
I lost doing it in Ali vs Titus where I drafted a MariaR + Dunnstral hydra, Reasonably Rational, Bitmap, and AaronFrost.

But its also kinda just impossible to talk you out of a tunnel which is very relatable tbh.

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(Granted, I'd be the first to admit: what I say making sense and resonating doesn't mean it's actually accurate, I can be wrong on things that make sense and resonate with others as displayed even earlier in this game with Battle Mage, but like. This is just what I do. There's a damn good reason why one of the traits I highly value in other players is them addressing me on the points that make sense and resonate with others, and then point out the legitimate genuine flaws in them, without misrepping them. If someone is capable of, without presenting my point as something it isn't, actually addressing my actual argument and pointing out actual flaws in it, that sticks and does make me seriously, genuinely, reevaluate. Often it takes some engagement where I will engage the player on their addressing of my point and explore the avenues of it, but there's a damn good reason why when Ircher and Solstice both did this, they both won my trust. Working with me rather trying to blanket-discredit me is something that I value very highly.)

ig i'm just terrible at this

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people were planting the seeds that would set up toogeloo to be elimination bait on days 1 and 2.
I know spiffeh planted a few of those seeds.
noraa planted them.

and naturally when the whole masonry gets outed and people realize that creature isn't scum and they're allowed to re-align their reads, then ofc people are going to put that slot back on their radar.

Like what ur saying starts to make sense but I can't see the pieces that are supporting that piece and thats because I don't think they actually exist.
You could argue dunn is supporting it by voting dunn but no one cares about dunn's reads at this stage of the game tbh. No one is going to care when dunn flips scum. People are still going to want to kill him, and even more so if polar bears flips town. Polar Bears flipping scum is the only slot I can see bussing toogeloo and would actually give him cred, but people aren't going to care about this cred. If Polar Bears flips scum but Spiffeh flips town by the time its F7 or F5, people aren't going to know where the fuck to go, and they're going to eliminate toogeloo.

Drafting people who stay under the radar is a losing strategy in this setup.
I lost doing it in Ali vs Titus where I drafted a MariaR + Dunnstral hydra, Reasonably Rational, Bitmap, and AaronFrost.

But its also kinda just impossible to talk you out of a tunnel which is very relatable tbh.

Like actually mastina, if toogeloo is town, what do you expect scum to do?
I expect toogeloo to be in a lot of people's scum pools and guess what happened.
and what ur suggesting is that a lot of people, enough to form an elimination without the support of
- 3 masons
- toogeloo himself cuz he ain't gonna self hammer
- deb because it makes no reason for him to support togeloo today if we decided to rotate there and honestly i wouldn't be surprised if he was okay with killing toogeloo for some reason.

Like
mastina come on
that's just a red flag

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people were planting the seeds that would set up toogeloo to be elimination bait on days 1 and 2.
I know spiffeh planted a few of those seeds.
noraa planted them.

and naturally when the whole masonry gets outed and people realize that creature isn't scum and they're allowed to re-align their reads, then ofc people are going to put that slot back on their radar.

Like what ur saying starts to make sense but I can't see the pieces that are supporting that piece and thats because I don't think they actually exist.
You could argue dunn is supporting it by voting dunn but no one cares about dunn's reads at this stage of the game tbh. No one is going to care when dunn flips scum. People are still going to want to kill him, and even more so if polar bears flips town. Polar Bears flipping scum is the only slot I can see bussing toogeloo and would actually give him cred, but people aren't going to care about this cred. If Polar Bears flips scum but Spiffeh flips town by the time its F7 or F5, people aren't going to know where the fuck to go, and they're going to eliminate toogeloo.

Drafting people who stay under the radar is a losing strategy in this setup.
I lost doing it in Ali vs Titus where I drafted a MariaR + Dunnstral hydra, Reasonably Rational, Bitmap, and AaronFrost.

But its also kinda just impossible to talk you out of a tunnel which is very relatable tbh.

Like actually mastina, if toogeloo is town, what do you expect scum to do?
I expect toogeloo to be in a lot of people's scum pools and guess what happened.
and what ur suggesting is that a lot of people, enough to form an elimination without the support of
- 3 masons
- toogeloo himself cuz he ain't gonna self hammer
- deb because it makes no reason for him to support togeloo today if we decided to rotate there and honestly i wouldn't be surprised if he was okay with killing toogeloo for some reason.

Like
mastina come on
that's just a red flag

AND BTW MASTINA
Flavor Leaf was IN Ali v Titus

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GG FL

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if dunn actually flips town ima fuckin howl that you traded DEB just to eliminate a slot that's basically a liability.

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ok dunnstral I'm sure he is

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Oh no. Masons controlling the game. Let me complain about it and shade them so hard that maybe my scum team won’t get completely destroyed. That’s way easier than solving when nobody cares about my Ydrasse read.
- Norwee

To be fair Norwee.

You were a player in MBOS 10; you're quite aware that of the players who complained about the masonry controlling the game, only a fraction of them were actually scum. I think in that game there were like six or so players who complained, and of them, only one was scum, with literally all the rest being town.

So I wouldn't say complaining about the masonry controlling the game is scum-indicative.

Ok, i will give you that.
I could see town!Gloria complaining about the tyrannical masons here.

But they are still objectively wrong and should be shut down.

- Norwee

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honestly do I even need to give directions on how the game should be played out?
game just seems over and the more I think about this arguement the more I think about how trivial it is.

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honestly do I even need to give directions on how the game should be played out?
game just seems over and the more I think about this arguement the more I think about how trivial it is.

Whatever you say is the truth my liege.
Spare us from the troublesome thing we call free will and dictate our elimination order with your superior mind so that we may be spared the hassle of using our brain.

- Norwee

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honestly do I even need to give directions on how the game should be played out?
game just seems over and the more I think about this arguement the more I think about how trivial it is.

like even in the worst case scenario where the vig gets like roleblocked you still have the breathing room to eliminate 1 town?
That should be way more then enough.

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Just title fairy me The Cockroach already mastina, sheesh.

I would nth this.

- Norwee

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Entertaining me as scum, Ydrasse as scum, Ircher as scum, Solstice as scum, and personally in my personal opinion, Polar Bear Express as scum.

I am like the only person that's openly saying polar bears shouldn't be as town as people are writing htem off as that isn't toogeloo and I have 1 scum between both of those players.

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Did you completely forget Murdercat, Alisae.

- Norwee

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I'm not fully sold on Toog but i could easily see Spiffeh/Dunnstral in the solve.

- Norwee

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Did you completely forget Murdercat, Alisae.

- Norwee

do you see flareon trying to convince people polar bears is scum right now?
Where's the flareon bro

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But they are still objectively wrong and should be shut down.
- Norwee

Oh agreed.

This is in fact the masonry show right now!

As much as I am arguing with you and Ali, push come to shove, if the masons dictated that, say, Polar Bear Express was the best elimination...I would be obligated to follow that call. I would disagree with it, explain why I was unhappy with it, say I thought it was wrong and tell you why, but ultimately, it'd be your calls to have been made and I'd follow through with it.

And the inverse is true as well; if you said a scumread of mine was off-limits, even if I disagreed, I'd be forced to follow and not vote them. I'd constantly explain why I think that player is scum anyway, and be very vocal about how unhappy I am at the call, but I'd still have to ultimately follow the decision.

Because yeah. This is the masonry show right now and they are in full control of the rest of the game; the game is in their hands, the fate of the game is their call to make, not us plebeians'.

its you plebeians that are going to win the game in F3-5-7-whatever because we're going to be dead and we died to set that up for ywall

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But they are still objectively wrong and should be shut down.
- Norwee

Oh agreed.

This is in fact the masonry show right now!

As much as I am arguing with you and Ali, push come to shove, if the masons dictated that, say, Polar Bear Express was the best elimination...I would be obligated to follow that call. I would disagree with it, explain why I was unhappy with it, say I thought it was wrong and tell you why, but ultimately, it'd be your calls to have been made and I'd follow through with it.

And the inverse is true as well; if you said a scumread of mine was off-limits, even if I disagreed, I'd be forced to follow and not vote them. I'd constantly explain why I think that player is scum anyway, and be very vocal about how unhappy I am at the call, but I'd still have to ultimately follow the decision.

Because yeah. This is the masonry show right now and they are in full control of the rest of the game; the game is in their hands, the fate of the game is their call to make, not us plebeians'.

its you plebeians that are going to win the game in F3-5-7-whatever because we're going to be dead and we died to set that up for ywall

Final 6.

thanks buddy

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buddy bro
y didn't u draft me bro T_T

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hanging out with ya in a scum pt sounds super fun ngl

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but ya mastina aside from like, polar bears are there any problems?
I feel like my solve covers like all of the options?

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I made a list of everyone, and thought about what kind of game I wanted to play.

Then I made a list of like 10 to choose from in different categories.

I wanted to abuse your reads, and I wasn't sure if you'd give up or not.

But like, I understand how you felt in Titus vs Alisae now.

it was so painful being the scum treestump and just watch as everything fell apart around me

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bitmap's posting was just
so painful to hurts T_T

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like man
we could have been hanging out in the scum PT together and like
hanging out

idunno maybe we just need to hang out again sometime when this stupid fucking plague goes away.

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idc if I die d1 in this playerlist
its still like super fun

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interacting with another human being in real life?
I haven't done that since 2019 holy shit.

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but ya mastina aside from like, polar bears are there any problems? I feel like my solve covers like all of the options?

I don't think so.

If all of {Spiffeh, DEB, Dunn, Toogeloo} end up dead, I legit think the game is a town win so the order and method isn't important to me.

ig im done playing the mafia game then at least for tonight.

time to hang out at 4 am before i go to bed

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hanging out with people is some 2019 shit

2019: Hanging out with the bois in real life
2020: Hanging out with the bois in a zoom meeting

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Also, anime needs to stop going weekly with no breaks.

Nobody fucks with the filler or anime cannon, especially not in 2020.

TRUE

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okay well i think im going to start prepping for bed
ywall can have norwee until I wake up ig
have fun

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Alisae just wants to kill Dunn and i'm fine with it.
VOTE: Dunnstral

- Norwee

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It doesn't even have that much to do with DEB's guilty, Dunn has always been scummy.

- Norwee