Mini 2056: Ballroom Blitz (Game Over)

[mcqueen]

Slightly, yes. I’m kind of leaning redtea town (controversial I know). Her activity is low and not great, but I’m not quite buying her as scum. At least not enough not to use up the entirety of the day instead of quicklynching in mylo like lab wants. The point is, I think Lab’s later vote makes herself town, whereas one of you and AP is scum jumping on an easy wagon.

[Darkwing Duck]

I think Lab’s later vote makes herself town

y?

lgd

[Darkwing Duck]

VOTE: Darkwing Duck

how exactly is a naked vote 'using the entirety of the dayphase' again?

lgd

[mastina]

Votecount 3-4 (24)

redtea - 3 (Darkwing Duck, AP, LabRat01)

Darkwing Duck - 1 (mcqueen)

Not Voting - 4 (Slaxx, EeveeLution Army, redtea, Eragon)

8

alive;

5

to lynch.
Deadline: Saturday, February 16th, at 6:15 AM PST: (expired on 2019-02-16 10:13:58).

Pending Dance Offers

None.

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modnotes

[Darkwing Duck]

if red is scum, then yes, you are right that there must already be someone bussing.

actually this isn't even correct, if red is scum there can easily be two scum off the wagon

so your play basically only makes sense if you're confident red is town, because assuming there is a bus at this point is actually unwarranted, the wagon could be all town... why even would there need to be a bus with the level of apathy in the thread? if your intention is to evaluate the player list, wouldn't it make more sense to evaluate the non-voters?

lgd

[Darkwing Duck]

I don't want to tinfoil too hard but there's part of me that's worried that part of the scum team can't coordinate well and that's why McQueen just left his vote on me, given how little interest he has had in actually talking with me despite 'using the day' being the logic there.

Since all three scum are still alive, if one out of {AP, Labby} is scum then all they would need to do is have one person change wagons and have another person vote me before EoD timer.

So, I do think town should actually just vote Redtea. We don't need to use the plurality mechanic and we don't need to go to deadline. In any case, the gamestate is less open to scum opportunism with 4 votes on Redtea at least to prevent a sudden shift in wagon.

Maybe everyone has stopped caring given how boring the redtea wagon is, but we still shouldn't let ourselves be set up for a throw from EoD plurality mechanics.

My thoughts

-lgd

[Eragon]

Urgh I just home from a P!ATD concert and it’s midnight

I don’t even know the timer, hope I have time tommorow

[mastina]

Urgh I just home from a P!ATD concert and it’s midnight

Not only good taste in music but given the band's name and game theme vaguely thematically appropriate!
(Also West Coast Scumbag master race.)

[mcqueen]

I don't want to tinfoil too hard but there's part of me that's worried that part of the scum team can't coordinate well and that's why McQueen just left his vote on me, given how little interest he has had in actually talking with me despite 'using the day' being the logic there.

Since all three scum are still alive, if one out of {AP, Labby} is scum then all they would need to do is have one person change wagons and have another person vote me before EoD timer.

So, I do think town should actually just vote Redtea. We don't need to use the plurality mechanic and we don't need to go to deadline. In any case, the gamestate is less open to scum opportunism with 4 votes on Redtea at least to prevent a sudden shift in wagon.

Maybe everyone has stopped caring given how boring the redtea wagon is, but we still shouldn't let ourselves be set up for a throw from EoD plurality mechanics.

My thoughts

-lgd

I’ve left my vote for two reasons:

1. I can’t flip flop around and vote the others who I’d like to hear from, they know what I’m doing now
2. I need to check ISOs and see who I genuinely think is the scummiest.

I didn’t see a reason to remove my vote, but if it makes you feel better UNVOTE:

[mcqueen]

Votecount 3-4 (24)

redtea - 3 (Darkwing Duck, AP, LabRat01)

Darkwing Duck - 1 (mcqueen)

Not Voting - 4 (Slaxx, EeveeLution Army, redtea, Eragon)

8

alive;

5

to lynch.
Deadline: Saturday, February 16th, at 6:15 AM PST: (expired on 2019-02-16 10:13:58).

Pending Dance Offers

None.

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modnotes

@Mod: the deadline says 6:15 AM PST today, while Post 0 says PM. Both VCs say AM, so deadline should have passed. But, with the lack of activity and seems as if no one else has noticed, I ask that the deadline go until 6:15 PST tonight.

As for everyone else, we need to decide who we’re going to lynch assuming mastina accepts.

[mastina]

@Mod: the deadline says 6:15 AM PST today, while Post 0 says PM. Both VCs say AM, so deadline should have passed. But, with the lack of activity and seems as if no one else has noticed, I ask that the deadline go until 6:15 PST tonight.

<<< Sorry, but no. The post 0 one saying PM is a result of careless copy/pasting information (specifically, I forgot to modify one letter from p to a); the countdowns (which in the OP are identical to the VCs) show the true deadline, which every votecount has accurately reflected.

As such, deadline has passed. >>>

[mastina]

Votecount 3-5 (25) (Final D3)

redtea - 3 (Darkwing Duck, AP, LabRat01)

Not Voting - 5 (Slaxx, EeveeLution Army, redtea, Eragon, mcqueen)

8

alive;

5

to lynch.
Deadline: Saturday, February 16th, at 6:15 AM PST: (expired on 2019-02-16 10:13:58).

Pending Dance Offers

None.

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modnotes

• Deadline has passed, and as such, redtea has been plurality lynched.

[mastina]

redtea

,

Mafia Dancemaster

, was

Lynched Day Three

. Their full role PM was as follows:

Mafia Dancemaster

Ballroom Blitz

redtea

's Role PM

redtea, Mafia Dancemaster

Welcome to Ballroom Blitz,

redtea

.

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You are a

Mafia Dancemaster

.

• DAY POWERS:
  • You may vote and use your voice.
• ACTIVATED POWERS (ANY TIME):
  • Not on MY Watch!:
    Once in the game, you may permanently shut down any dance private topic of your choice. The players will be notified "the dancemaster deems you incompatible". This will take effect instantaneously. If you use this power, the players in question may never again partner (pair up) with one another or duel one another.
    
    You may not self-target.
    
    If you use this power during the day on a couple that is currently partnered (paired up), there is an extra consequence. You will nullify their partnership, disabling their status as lovers. However, it will be publicly declared their relationship has been broken, and that they are valid partners for dances.
    
    Regardless of circumstances, you may not use this power on two individuals locked in a duel (gladiate).
• PASSIVE POWERS:
  • Record-keeper:
    You have access to
    [REDACTED]
    , containing a master list of all dance private topics in the game. You may post in that topic at will; it is your own personal private topic; use it however you see fit.
    
  • Overseer:
    You have access to every dance private topic in the game, able to read their contents at will. However, you may only post in dance topics where you are a dance partner.
    
  • [REDACTED]:
    [REDACTED]
    . Should you die, this information will not flip with you.
• FACTIONAL POWERS:
  • Knowledge:
    Your partners are
    [REDACTED]
    . The details of their role PMs may be found
    [REDACTED]
    .
    
  • Communication:
    You may talk in
    [REDACTED]
    at any time.
    
  • Nightkill:
    • During the night, target a player.
      
    • Should your action succeed, you will attempt to kill the targeted player.
      
    • Your kill flavor is 'shot'.
      
    • You must specify who is performing the nightkill.
      
    • You may both action and kill.
  • Safeclaim:
    Your safeclaim,
    [REDACTED]
    , can be found
    [REDACTED]
    .
    This safeclaim is
    [REDACTED]
    .
    This safeclaim will be redacted from your flip should you die.
    
    
    [REDACTED]
    you have also been provided with a
    Vanilla Townie
    safeclaim, which can be found at the bottom of your role PM. It is also listed in
    [REDACTED]
    , as well as being found in the OP of the gamethread.
    
    If you instead decide there's no harm in claiming full town Dancemaster, the formatting of that role PM is also available at the bottom of your role PM. (
    [REDACTED]
    )
    
    
  • Fakeclaim:
    On demand, you may request a fakeclaim for any role should you be dissatisfied with your mod-provided safeclaim. Be warned I cannot guarantee safety of fakeclaims generated this way.
• WIN CONDITION:
  You win if nothing stops
  Mafia
  majority.

Please confirm your role via PM.

Good luck, and have fun!

Game thread is here.

.

Spoiler: Dancemaster Safeclaim

Ballroom Blitz

redtea

's (FAKE) Role PM

SAFECLAIM: redtea, Town Dancemaster

Welcome to Ballroom Blitz,

redtea

.

---

You are a

Town Dancemaster

.

• DAY POWERS:
  • You may vote and use your voice.
• ACTIVATED POWERS (ANY TIME):
  • Not on MY Watch!:
    Once in the game, you may permanently shut down any dance private topic of your choice. The players will be notified "the dancemaster deems you incompatible". This will take effect instantaneously. If you use this power, the players in question may never again partner (pair up) with one another or duel one another.
    
    You may not self-target.
    
    If you use this power during the day on a couple that is currently partnered (paired up), there is an extra consequence. You will nullify their partnership, disabling their status as lovers. However, it will be publicly declared their relationship has been broken, and that they are valid partners for dances.
    
    Regardless of circumstances, you may not use this power on two individuals locked in a duel (gladiate).
• PASSIVE POWERS:
  • Record-keeper:
    You have access to
    [REDACTED]
    , containing a master list of all dance private topics in the game. You may post in that topic at will; it is your own personal private topic; use it however you see fit.
    
  • Overseer:
    You have access to every dance private topic in the game, able to read their contents at will. However, you may only post in dance topics where you are a dance partner.
• WIN CONDITION:
  You win if all
  Mafia
  are dead, and at least one member of
  the

  Town
  is alive.

Please confirm your role via PM.

Good luck, and have fun!

Game thread is here.

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Spoiler: VT Safeclaim

Ballroom Blitz

redtea

's (FAKE) Role PM

SAFECLAIM: redtea, Vanilla Townie

Welcome to Ballroom Blitz,

redtea

.

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You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

• DAY POWERS:
  • You may vote and use your voice.
• WIN CONDITION:
  You win if all
  Mafia
  are dead, and at least one member of
  the

  Town
  is alive.

Please confirm your role via PM.

Good luck, and have fun!

Game thread is here.

<<< Night Three begins now.
Deadline: (expired on 2019-02-18 07:13:12). >>>

[BNL]

<<< Starting Day. >>>

[BNL]

LabRat01

,

Vanilla Townie

, was

shot Night Three

. Their full role PM is as follows:

DoubtingThomas/LabRat01, Vanilla Townie

Ballroom Blitz

DoubtingThomas

's Role PM

DoubtingThomas/LabRat01, Vanilla Townie

Welcome to Ballroom Blitz,

DoubtingThomas

LabRat01

.

---

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

• DAY POWERS:
  • You may vote and use your voice.
• WIN CONDITION:
  You win if all
  Mafia
  are dead, and at least one member of
  the

  Town
  is alive.

Please confirm your role via PM.

Good luck, and have fun!

Game thread is here.

<<< Day Four starts now.
Deadline is in: (expired on 2019-02-22 11:12:16). >>>

[mcqueen]

so we’re in a similar spot as we were yesterday, but with one scum down.

DD I think you’re town, but I’m still picky about your slot so don’t screw it up.

I was planning on reevaluating Lab today, but that’s now redundant because of her flip.

Idk what to think of Evee, and I can’t remember much of Eragon’s play at all.

Still think Slaxx is town, and I’m leaning AP scum mostly due to PoE.

[AP]

@mcqueen: So your only SR is on me??

[AP]

so we’re in a similar spot as we were yesterday, but with one scum down.

DD I think you’re town, but I’m still picky about your slot so don’t screw it up.

I was planning on reevaluating Lab today, but that’s now redundant because of her flip.

Idk what to think of Evee, and I can’t remember much of Eragon’s play at all.

Still think Slaxx is town, and

I’m leaning AP scum mostly due to PoE

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Does the bolded even make sense?

[AP]

@mcqueen: OK.. how about this.. Eragon pairs up with Evee, and we lynchy them. This should leave you, me (your scum read) and 2 players you are TRing (or rather "trying to pocket"). You (or I) shoot one of them and we are together with the other tomorrow for the final dance. Do you agree?

[Darkwing Duck]

We support the Eragon/ELA double lynch.
Starting to get pretty paranoid about the final solve but this is the right way to enter LyLo.

- Marcus Albert Liam Lard XXIII

[Eragon]

1. Slaxx - frankly im having trouble articulating a read here. I just in general feel like they are +town.
5. AP- im leaning scum here both because of PoE and because of multiple posts. I dont like them suggesting ANOTHER dance of me/eevee, as we've already danced, so that shouldn't be happening, and it wont happen. Their post about lab/red/aronis(i think this was the scumteam) could easily be rule of 3's...
6. EeveeLution Army - i still like their tone, but frankly im worried just because of PoE. I think they got soft-spewed town from Redtea's sheep of Labrat for scumreading Eevee though.
11. mcqueen- scumread in thread, townread by sheeping slaxx. :shrug: slot.
12. Eragon- <3
13. Darkwing Duck- town, probably my strongest read here. One of the(not the only reason) main reasons i townread them is that they chose to extend the day. The leading wagons were moment/kokichi, and they werent an active presence in the thread(if i remember) at the time, and they hopped on to extend the day. Scum here would just not.. appear, and let koki or Moment be lynched anyway. Yes, the lynch ended the same, but it could have gone very differently.

Im never dancing with DwD, because i have a strong townread on them

Im never dancing with Eevee, first of all because i already have, and second off i think they are town

Im never dancing with Slaxx because, again, i think they are town, if there was a way to protect ourselves i probably would tho.

Im not against dancing with Mcqueen, if it comes down to it i will, however if im wrong on any scumread, its here, so this is a riskier dance.

If im going down, I'm 100% dancing with AP.

Frankly, i dont trust anyone enough to blind sheep here. The only person im strongly confident in is DwD, but even thats not 100% for me.

[Eragon]

Since there's no way I can read the rest (pg 21 or so) in 20 minutes, I'll mention I'm going to keep my NL status. It has been demonstrated a few times already that not everyone has read the setup properly, and it is D1. Think he just kind of fucked up in general here. For AP(A50?)'s case, more likely he was trying to get things going in his own way and didn't even expect TGP to decline. I don't SR read him at this point and actually think a NL is best. Would be a shame to throw away his brand of scumhunting so early.

Just more game mechanic talk, but I think the ideal number of pairings is 0 or 2. 3 if there's a particularly strong SR that people want to pair up instead of lynching, for whatever reason.

This post feels + scum equity with AP. Red just like, decides to ignore the whole thing with "I dont SR him rn, and think NL is best" and a reason is "would be a shame to throw away his brand of scumhunting so early." which just... really doesnt feel Scum -> town.

Didn't mean to take so long.
Now that he's around again:
Aronis, why are you so set on AP, while most everyone else see him as neutral at worst?
And why not just ISO the two dance partners proposed to you? Me and Kokichi have unfortunately posted very little so far. It would take you less than ten minutes.

What I was going to say before is Aronis hasn't posts enough for me to seriously consider dancing with him for any reason. Currently, I think it seems weird to be so bluntly uninterested. Scum would probably at least try a little.

here is some soft defense/chainsaw-ing of AP.

Here are my more solid opinions.

Spoiler:

Town
Labrat goes without saying.
AP is just here to have a good time but it's not happening. In a more active game he'd probably be making himself more useful.

Neutral-Town
Darkwing's MO looks to be provoking people for reads. Just that sort of scumhunting, I don't see anything wrong with it.

Neutral-Scum
Eeveelution and/or (mostly or) Eragon
Should be more concerned of being a target of scum. Eragon didn't make the dance offer right away. He suggested it, then they took the time to decide who should initiate. If they don't scum read each other, why would they dance and make themselves a target for scum? Why didn't they think about it more, or consult the rest of the players?
Is one of them sure they won't be killed? The only way it makes sense otherwise is if one of them strongly suspects Slaxx/Mcqueen is PR and is trying to draw the NK away.
Eevee of course is a little more suspicious here for not even being wary of offer.

I also still stand by the "one of the more active posters is scum" thing. The general reads do seem to be skewed towards lurkers (including mine), negatively, so I wonder if attention is being diverted from elsewhere. But that sounds like a D3 conversation.

And why do you think aronis is lazy town rather than lazy scum? And if you were to get lynched, who would you dance with?

Well, now he's trying a little more. So once again, I don't know what to make of him. Whether it's just not knowing what to do about the game or he's now posting out of scum-obligation. If I tried to dance with him he would probably reject it, but that's not a reason not to.
If I were to get lynched, I'd dance with one of my (kind of) scum reads (both of which are unavailable until tomorrow) at least to try to draw something out. So failing that, probably Moment, though I'd almost certainly lose the duel.
Dancing with Aronis in that situation might as well be a scum claim.

@Aronis
You are many people's scum read, and neither I nor Koki are especially high on people's lists. Those reads

are

the arguments I think.

Now Slaxx might clarify his post?

this "townread" on AP is just like way way way too easy. "hes here to have a good time so he is town"
how the hell is this a townread???

VOTE: AP

im confident in this flipping scum

[Eragon]

if its required for me to force a dance and go 1 for 1 and be lynched together, so fucking be it.



i prefer to have AP dance with someone else, and clear out my PoE, but as long as scum dies today, i am content

[Eragon]

i might as well claim, since im dead either today or tonight.

Im a town Romantic.

I have a choice between 2 abilites. Using one makes the other ability void.

I can EITHER
twice per game, FORCE a dance between myself and someone else, with all the same effects that come with normal dances. Also same restrictions that follow normal dances.

OR

Once per game, choose someone and become infinite lovers with them, but i can no longer dance with anyone else

[EeveeLution Army]

so we’re in a similar spot as we were yesterday, but with one scum down.

DD I think you’re town, but I’m still picky about your slot so don’t screw it up.

I was planning on reevaluating Lab today, but that’s now redundant because of her flip.

Idk what to think of Evee, and I can’t remember much of Eragon’s play at all.

Still think Slaxx is town, and

I’m leaning AP scum mostly due to PoE

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Does the bolded even make sense?

which bolded part? psure the second makes perfect sense