Real Folk Blues Rematch [GAME OVER]

[Cerberus v666]

What about my post made you think kill immunity could only exist within scum? Scum wouldn't know why their kill failed, so it's fairly reasonable for then to not push someone who they failed a kill on.

You'd think with the noose tightening, town would claim it. Either Vax bussed into kill immune scum who tried to kill dave or a scum nk is directly involved.

I also think our watcher/tracker should claim, but you said they shouldn't.

I imagine whatever thought process led to you opposing that claim at the start of this day phase is the same reason why whoever got shot, if town, wouldn't have claimed responsibility.

Hell, why wouldn't scum have claimed responsibility, to get the credit of someone having shot at them??

[DrCirno]

It's n3 that has me concerned. I can plot out every missing kill with SK or second scum faction but n3.

Scum flipped roleblocker after all. It's possible that they roleblocked SK N3.

[Titus]

What about my post made you think kill immunity could only exist within scum? Scum wouldn't know why their kill failed, so it's fairly reasonable for then to not push someone who they failed a kill on.

You'd think with the noose tightening, town would claim it. Either Vax bussed into kill immune scum who tried to kill dave or a scum nk is directly involved.

I also think our watcher/tracker should claim, but you said they shouldn't.

I imagine whatever thought process led to you opposing that claim at the start of this day phase is the same reason why whoever got shot, if town, wouldn't have claimed responsibility.

Hell, why wouldn't scum have claimed responsibility, to get the credit of someone having shot at them??

The watcher/tracker may have results that can help. The lack of useful watcher/tracker results is probably the biggest reason for multiball TBH. It's day 6. You didn't see anything out of the ordinary? Unless it's something like Ari slot, that's just fucking weird. Let me do my VCA and see if I still feel the same way. Because there's a lot to do and a lot to check from d1 and d2.

[Titus]

It's n3 that has me concerned. I can plot out every missing kill with SK or second scum faction but n3.

Scum flipped roleblocker after all. It's possible that they roleblocked SK N3.

And they didn't block the "gunsmith" who they couldn't kill and had guiltied them the night before?

[DrCirno]

The RB got lynched Day 4.
Could've certainly blocked SK at Night 3.

[DrCirno]

I mean I don't know wtf scums are or were thinking
But it's the conclusion I can reach by ~deduction~

[DrCirno]

Davesaz visited Titus

Or they just plain tried to kill you

[Titus]

Davesaz visited Titus

Or they just plain tried to kill you

Ok, well red scum tried to kill me. Then what happened to the SK kill? Bulletproof scum?

Then we'd expect that scum to push on bulletproof scum. The only one that makes sense is random pushing on mhsmith0 at the start of d4.

[DrCirno]

My theory is that SK kill got blocked by red scum.

[DrCirno]

Also BP is not a strong protective role
It has a counter called strongman, which is a very common mafia role.
Commuter in other hand, has almost no counters.

[Titus]

My theory is that SK kill got blocked by red scum.

To assume that, that means red scum would have seen through that I was the actual gunsmith,

before

n3. I'll look for that, but I don't see that evidence.

Even if that is true, you'd expect an n4 push. The only one I see that can qualify is random on mhsmith0. Although Almost's last readwall should be analyzed to see if it's possible he left the clue in there.

[Master Vampire]

Did you remind dr cirno that you had maria fakeclaim gunsmith
cause that'd probably be useful

[DrCirno]

Role knowledge is not required to nightkill someone, you know.

[DrCirno]

Did you remind dr cirno that you had maria fakeclaim gunsmith
cause that'd probably be useful

And Maria ate NK because of it?
Yeah.

[Nosferatu]

It's n3 that has me concerned. I can plot out every missing kill with SK or second scum faction but n3.

Scum flipped roleblocker after all. It's possible that they roleblocked SK N3.

And they didn't block the "gunsmith" who they couldn't kill and had guiltied them the night before?

Davesaz visited Titus

Or they just plain tried to kill you

this doesn't follow then

[Cerberus v666]

My theory is that SK kill got blocked by red scum.

To assume that, that means red scum would have seen through that I was the actual gunsmith,

before

n3. I'll look for that, but I don't see that evidence.

Even if that is true, you'd expect an n4 push. The only one I see that can qualify is random on mhsmith0. Although Almost's last readwall should be analyzed to see if it's possible he left the clue in there.

I knew you were Jet or Spike before N3, who both make lots of sense as investigatives, AND math was making a bunch of noise about you crumbing that you were a gunsmith on D1. I wouldn't put it past scum to mark you as the gunsmith.

[Titus]

Guys, who wants to bet Titus will single-handedly lead this Town to defeat??

@Titus:

This will be my last response to you though. If you can't even find a readlist then I'm not interested in more arguing.

2- TRs: Titus+MariaR+Gorkington are confirmed I believe?
Whemestar+Not Fury+Insomniacs+davesaz+Gamma Emerald are semi-confirmed (assuming SINGLE BALL)

NF+Gamma not as confirmed if it's MB

Not Chara+Vaxkiller+Ginngie+RachMarie are town leans

randomidget+rb+Aristophanes+Master Vampire+jjh are null-town

and I don't know what to do with the rest (that'd be mhsmith0+Priscila+Shiro+PeregrineV+Cerebrus v666+Scott and Ramona (Chickadee and LUV)+Drixx)

I mean, I could say Cerb is Town by play, but who the hell trusts Cerb after both SU2 and FFTactics??

I wanted to say smith was not syndicate for being the 3rd person to vote Sly after the Nero vig, except I saw Socrates was the SECOND person to vote there and his posted role pm said he was in fact informed of his teammates. *Shrug*

So, more or less this is where I'd be lynching if I had a say in it at all.

This is a50's read wall. If he blocked scum, it'll be reflected in here somehow.

[DrCirno]

this doesn't follow then

Role knowledge is not required to nightkill someone, you know.

[Cerberus v666]

My theory is that SK kill got blocked by red scum.

To assume that, that means red scum would have seen through that I was the actual gunsmith,

before

n3. I'll look for that, but I don't see that evidence.

Even if that is true, you'd expect an n4 push. The only one I see that can qualify is random on mhsmith0. Although Almost's last readwall should be analyzed to see if it's possible he left the clue in there.

I knew you were Jet or Spike before N3, who both make lots of sense as investigatives, AND math was making a bunch of noise about you crumbing that you were a gunsmith on D1. I wouldn't put it past scum to mark you as the gunsmith.

OR to at least realize there was some bullshit going on with the claims and that they couldn't trust that blocking MariaR would be effective at stopping the checks.

Also possible that they simply hit someone who was kill immune, or that we have a bioterror doctor as well whose doing as good a job as davesaz. *shrug*

[Titus]

My theory is that SK kill got blocked by red scum.

To assume that, that means red scum would have seen through that I was the actual gunsmith,

before

n3. I'll look for that, but I don't see that evidence.

Even if that is true, you'd expect an n4 push. The only one I see that can qualify is random on mhsmith0. Although Almost's last readwall should be analyzed to see if it's possible he left the clue in there.

I knew you were Jet or Spike before N3, who both make lots of sense as investigatives, AND math was making a bunch of noise about you crumbing that you were a gunsmith on D1. I wouldn't put it past scum to mark you as the gunsmith.

If this is singleball, that's actually weak evidence for Math town. Very anti-town but town nonetheless.

[DrCirno]

This is a50's read wall. If he blocked scum, it'll be reflected in here somehow.

Eh it's A50. I doubt it.

To be honest, I'm not even sure if they actually gave some thought about their action somehow blocking SK.

[DrCirno]

ANYWAY

if we're still talking about multiball, there is no explanation about

3

missing nightkills with given amount of protective roles we know.
Unless you think their kill is limited to odd-night or something. That means that I'm never going to trust your setup spec ever.

[DrCirno]

Gosh where are ppl to vote Ari right now
It's been like 3 years since I ever rolled a vig
I want to shoot someone already dammit

[Titus]

ANYWAY

if we're still talking about multiball, there is no explanation about

3

missing nightkills with given amount of protective roles we know.
Unless you think their kill is limited to odd-night or something. That means that I'm never going to trust your setup spec ever.

SK and multiball have the same amount of kills.

I'm aware of why the n2 kill is missing in a setup with an n2 killer.
The n4 kill would be absorbed by davesaz.

The n3 is the hangup in both scenarios.

[Titus]

Gosh where are ppl to vote Ari right now
It's been like 3 years since I ever rolled a vig
I want to shoot someone already dammit

Let me finish my VCA first, then go get the votes?