LOST (Game Over)

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No reason to wait on Taly. We know what Bell's flavor was, and that character isn't likely "macho". We know that Bell probably didn't disclose any specific info to his hood because he had a scum read on Taly for most of the game.

We can wait on Bella's reads list and then you guys should go ahead and flip her.

I want to heat Bella’s final reads.

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scum!Drap tracks town!Bella doc coincidentally to the NK. Ok!

Good luck setting up that pure luck scenario as scum!

Like... any scum!Drap scenario here is absolutely more ridiculous than any town!Bella doc scenario

As opposed to the pure luck scenario of town!Drap doing the same?

What??

Drap says he tracked Bella to Bell. Bella claims to have visited Bell. If she flips town, how does that make Drap scum?

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Spoiler:

My PT partner brought up the fact that they don't trust me, that I could be scum, and that I basically asked for a free pass through Day 1.

For those not in the know, I was involved in a head on collision last Friday night. My kids were in the car with me. I was ambulances to the ER, but thankfully my kids walked away with minor injuries.

I am doing some daily physical therapy and we are working with lawyers and insurance right now, and in my down time I am trying to relax and rest.

I don't anticipate this being problematic beyond this week, but if people feel I'm getting a pass, or need to replace out, I will.

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I have not read anything other than my PT. I actually didn't consider the possibility that my partner might consider us unaligned. Based on my show knowledge, I actually would have thought us Masons if my PM didn't specifically call us neighbors.

My role is Shannon,

my partner is Boone

. We are in a PT called Kissing Siblings, which I don't recall them being incestual at all, lol.

At any rate, I will get to this eventually.[/quote]

https://lostpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Boone_Carlyle

Despite Jack's best attempts to save him, Boone realized he was going to die and told Jack to let him go.

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Spoiler:

My PT partner brought up the fact that they don't trust me, that I could be scum, and that I basically asked for a free pass through Day 1.

For those not in the know, I was involved in a head on collision last Friday night. My kids were in the car with me. I was ambulances to the ER, but thankfully my kids walked away with minor injuries.

I am doing some daily physical therapy and we are working with lawyers and insurance right now, and in my down time I am trying to relax and rest.

I don't anticipate this being problematic beyond this week, but if people feel I'm getting a pass, or need to replace out, I will.

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I have not read anything other than my PT. I actually didn't consider the possibility that my partner might consider us unaligned. Based on my show knowledge, I actually would have thought us Masons if my PM didn't specifically call us neighbors.

My role is Shannon,

my partner is Boone

. We are in a PT called Kissing Siblings, which I don't recall them being incestual at all, lol.

At any rate, I will get to this eventually.

https://lostpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Boone_Carlyle

Despite Jack's best attempts to save him, Boone realized he was going to die and told Jack to let him go.

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People sheeped my reads in Chromavalon and I have sheeped dead town Chara’s and others, so it’s not necessarily true that dead trs are ignored but a readslist from Bella would have been helpful. What I don’t understand why Bella is so chill about this? I’d be flipping out here and wanting to make sure whomever I thought was scum pay for my miselim. But her reaction really doesn’t make much sense from either alignment.

@Butter

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People sheeped my reads in Chromavalon and I have sheeped dead town Chara’s and others, so it’s not necessarily true that dead trs are ignored but a readslist from Bella would have been helpful. What I don’t understand why Bella is so chill about this? I’d be flipping out here and wanting to make sure whomever I thought was scum pay for my miselim. But her reaction really doesn’t make much sense from either alignment.

@Butter

If she's scum then she knows she's dead. Focusing on mechanical discussion is a good way to avoid creating any unnecessary associations if she's not confident in her ability to fake those under pressure. I agree that her reaction doesn't make sense from town, but I think it does make sense from scum.

Well if she’s scum then, yeah I guess it would and her buddies are probably steering clear of it. Scum is probably on her wagon regardless, I think.

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super-hammered

Spoiler:

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Bella was required lim. Going through votes at night. Work emergencies.

~Titus

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I activate cloning powers

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We have got to keep in mind Math was scum. I expect weird bullshit. Particularly with the votes unless Math was going for agency capture not expecting my life to go crazy.

~Titus

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rofl did they really try to kill PD and doc saved?

I’m going to say it’s unlikely they no killed.

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I’m going to say it’s unlikely they no killed.

Why in the world do you think that

Why would you think otherwise?

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Because there's 4000 people in this game

???

Huh?

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Did you understand my post? @Johnny

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Tho in my defense you were being a lil captain obvious there

You misunderstood me because I was saying something obvious?

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So...
Mafia lost roleblocker, or something which prevented N1 of Tracker ye?

You mean N2 or 3? Mafia didn’t lose anyone before D2 So maybe Math was a roleblocker? That would explain what could mean a n1 roleblock on Drap and account for him not being roleblocked on n2 or 3, unless CSF is just aesetic.

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or rolestopped but Math roleblocker would probably the most logical explanation.

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I'm a doc, hence I think there must be two from flavour, I was on rad n1 then bell.

Ok so I guess this isn’t entirely a redcheck then.


I Hardclaim Tracker


N1: CSF - Action Failed for some reason
N2: Bella visited Bell.

@Puppet

Math likely rb.

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Towniest -
Luke
Pooky
Rad
Klick/mislim

Town-
Masons
Professor
DP

Maybe town-
CSF
Malcolm
TBone
C&G

Null-
Mala
BB
OTH
Bella
Taly
Enchant

Maybe scum -
BBT

Scum -
Johnny


My poe is probably anyone below mala +TBone right now.

Johnny up to town
BB/DP above mala in null
OTH to bottom of null

Maybe Malcolm down too but idk

Malcolm/OTH/bbt are the slots I want to look at today at any rate.

I think DP might still be town with poor read accuracy.

If I avoided most larges, I might actually have gotten a paragon at some point but in general I majorly suck at them until late game. :/

It also doesn’t really help that me and my hydra partner have completely diametrically opposed ways of approaching this game.

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No like speculate on who’s the doc

Johnny is PoE, it’s better the doc is known then ML’ed.

I mean, Johnny is spewed town from Bella!scum so this wasn’t worth saying DP.

That’s PD not DP.

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My read accuracy on OtH and Taly is still correct however and I will die by those reads.

I also was right on Bell, although I realize that’s not much to brag about.

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I was going to continue with poking at DP until someone bites but I’m not gonna be able to keep that up, Nancy is just so town lol.

Town and stupidly and embarassingly wrong. :/

This hopefully can’t be worse than Izzy’s game where I got pocketed by the entire scumteam and then there was Dunn’s game where scum cried after my replace out.

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That’s just page one I can do page two of Bella’s johnny mentions.

I have her iso open

I'm not saying she didn't scumread johnny, but I'm not seeing why we should rule out distancing

It’s unlikely. Johnny was one of the leading wagons with Bella still openly advocating there plus Bella buddying up to slots actively pushing Johnny. I’m gonna go ahead and put Johnny in my town do not touch pile.

There's merit to your argument tho I'm not as sure of the conclusion

I think taly and c&g town though

I think c&g probably is as well mainly because of Ircher was pushing a blatantly obvious scum agenda in me v Titus and RCE sounds like he does in every game (town) I’ve played with him but then I really got fooled by Bella, so currently suffering from fear of continuing to look stupid complex.

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RH9 not RCE.

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yes, i think based on taly being afk calling them town is too charitable.

c&g i dont really have a read on so im just curious about that one

They literally haven’t been onsite since the 20th. They’re flaking is 100% nia.

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Taly town is bc Bella didn't bother voting during the gladiate so Cephrir/taly probably tvt

C&g is bc Bella chose to wagon them over mathblade and BBT day 2

Flipped scum spewed some slots town:

Math: Taly, BBT. Bella: RCE, RAD, Drap, MB.

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looking forward to PD's latest track

I tracked the one dude who has a role that doesn’t visit.
Guess what? He didn’t visit.

?

Why would you track someone who doesnt visit?

Because if you visited we could Yeet you because a person who talks to the dead isn’t able to visit.

You seriously tracked BB? Why?

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No like speculate on who’s the doc

Johnny is PoE, it’s better the doc is known then ML’ed.

I mean, Johnny is spewed town from Bella!scum so this wasn’t worth saying DP.

That’s PD not DP.

I had a dyslexic moment.

My entire life is a dyslexic moment.

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looking forward to PD's latest track

I tracked the one dude who has a role that doesn’t visit.
Guess what? He didn’t visit.

?

Why would you track someone who doesnt visit?

Because if you visited we could Yeet you because a person who talks to the dead isn’t able to visit.

You seriously tracked BB? Why?

Sounds like he scum read BB, and wanted to catch him in a lie

Oh, I think his claim was very credible because we know that Ceph regretted gladiating Taly > Math.

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are we mass claiming ? whats with all the claims kekw

i claimed cuz i'm 2 shot so I have no shots left

Kinda feel like you should have just claimed the novice. Draw in the night kill while you have not shots left.

Make scum think they are killing a PR, but really they are just confirming your results.

But :shrug:

Pooky’s caught two scum, so I kinda disagree with that. Having good reads may be more important than being an tpr.

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i wonder if theres any dead persons role people are currently curious about rn..?

For town: Dunn’s but don’t really know if that really matters all that much atp.

For scum: Bella’s but she’s obviously not going to claim anything.

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While there are paranoia setups, not interested in BBT, CandG or PRs today.

~Titus

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Same with Pooky clears. ~Titus

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I believe that this is the first vote cast after that vote count, so this is the exact game state when she voted.

Bella decided not to bus Math, and instead moved C/G from 3 votes -> 4

I don't think that it makes a ton of sense for C/G to be scum in this world.

interesting choice to go for c&g over BBT in that scenario

Not really because DNA are much easier to lim than BBT but think both are town. Math tried to get BBT limmed > him. I think all Bella defenders are town because all had extremely nuanced reasons for their extremely wrongheaded defence and I think scum either bussed or stayed relatively quiet on Bella.

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I believe that this is the first vote cast after that vote count, so this is the exact game state when she voted.

Bella decided not to bus Math, and instead moved C/G from 3 votes -> 4

I don't think that it makes a ton of sense for C/G to be scum in this world.

interesting choice to go for c&g over BBT in that scenario

Not really because DNA are much easier to lim than BBT but think both are town. Math tried to get BBT limmed > him. I think all Bella defenders are town because all had extremely nuanced reasons for their extremely wrongheaded defence and I think scum either bussed or stayed relatively quiet on Bella.

That wasn’t super convincing. Math made a super weak argument for bbt and then had to leave the game.

I’m pretty sure math was looking for an out so someone could “change his mind” or he could “find” someone as town.

I also really liked his posting yesterday. I think scum doesn’t stick their neck out for Bella here in most circumstances. When a slot gets mech guiltied, they either like to be on their buddy’s wagon or try not to attract too much attention to themselves. If BBT was scum here, he put himself in a very bad position and I think he’d probably know that, which is another reason why I think he’s town.

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Taly is prob scum

Why? I want to know if your reasons' the same as mine.

I think Corwin spews both Taly and BBT town with this.

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Oh, just a general announcement of reads update. My read of Rad has tanked from upber town read -> null.

I am aware that lots of people still town read him, so don't really feel like touching that any time soon.

Disagree. Both Bella and Corwin had him as solid town. Besides the sheer degree of nuance in his Bella defence read really townie to me. Just like BBT. Scum very rarely go to bat like that - especially in such a nuanced way - for a mech guiltied buddy. I stand by my solve of scum either bussing or staying relatively silent on Bella.

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You undrestand that i literally can do nothing, because bussing gives no creed at that point, but there's still ppl who wanted to let Bella live?

Literally what.

So you’re really going to argue that Bella’s buddies are seriously that dumb. Okay.

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Besides the sheer degree of nuance in his Bella defence read really townie to me

Okay, well if you+Rad make it to Elo, and I don't maybe think back to this conversation.

Like I said, I am not trying to kill him today. I am more confident in Enchant anyways.

I also think there’s posts he made during the gladiate that looked really townie but both Bella and Corwin had him as solid town. It’s extremely rare for scum to locktown their buddies.

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I disagree

Who do you think that we should kill?

Mafia

Thank you Captain Obvious. This is so extremely helpful.

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You undrestand that i literally can do nothing, because bussing gives no creed at that point, but there's still ppl who wanted to let Bella live?

Literally what.

So you’re really going to argue that Bella’s buddies are seriously that dumb. Okay.

No, i argue that if i am maf, i do nothing and hope someone really follow that.

So you would lim who today then?

I just think that scum would play it smart and not draw a huge target on themselves in light of a mech guilty.

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I did not find his progression on Bella believable at all really.

By contrast, even though you were both arguing to save Bella, I did find yours believable

Why is my progression on Bella more believable than RAD’s?

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You undrestand that i literally can do nothing, because bussing gives no creed at that point, but there's still ppl who wanted to let Bella live?

Literally what.

So you’re really going to argue that Bella’s buddies are seriously that dumb. Okay.

No, i argue that if i am maf, i do nothing and hope someone really follow that.

So you would lim who today then?

I just think that scum would play it smart and not draw a huge target on themselves in light of a mech guilty.

Why not? People will think "mafia not so stupid".

That's why i suspect ppl who tried to save Bella, because she was SO SCUMMY, i don't understand why people even bother.

I can agree post Drap guilty on her but prior to that I thought she was really townie. It’s also pretty obvious in retrospect that Bella stopped trying near the end. I just really don’t think so.

Well I have gotten wrongly sr, pushed and miselimed for had defending scum. I think scum wants to not look horrible in the extremely likely event of her flip.

Besides, what I said about both Corwin and Bella likely spewing him town.

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I haven't read Rad's scum game (congrats Rad), but that is 100% his town play and exactly why I'm town reading him.

Do you think this is something scum says about a buddy?

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Cool, rads still town.

@rad, you were my strongest read and and of day one was a shit show for town. I thought you might be a 'voice of reason' that scum would like to get rid of.

This reads like a pocket.

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You missing main point of my message

I understand your point but in my experience it’s greater > rand town who does this. Town!Sakura hard defended scum!Wisdom in Baton Pass - I think it was.

In the game where I was the game losing miselim, scum hardbussed their entire team and the d1 scum elim was they’re most powerful pr.

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You missing main point of my message

I understand your point but in my experience it’s greater > rand town who does this. Town!Sakura hard defended scum!Wisdom in Baton Pass - I think it was.

In the game where I was the game losing miselim, scum hardbussed their entire team and the d1 scum elim was they’re most powerful pr.

You still missing it.

I know I’m town and I hard tr all of Bella defenders. So you think everyone who voted Bella is town and wasn’t looking for towncred on her flip?

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Luke's case in the hood re Enchant was solid and I largely agreed with it. Reading back Enchant's posts towards the end of the turn and they seemed a little bit too confident in advance Bella was coming back scum.

Oh forgot about that. Enchant was his hood mate.

I’m not confident on Enchant but there’s no way scum wasn’t on Bella wagon. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a game where scum didn’t vote mech guiltied buddy. Especially when you have a consensus tr making that guilty.

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Marci. Are you claiming coroner?

yes

a one shot public one

i want it to be agreed whatll be most helpful to see instead of me just being selfish and doing for my own reads

Did you use it on anyone? Hopefully Bell?

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Luke's case in the hood re Enchant was solid and I largely agreed with it. Reading back Enchant's posts towards the end of the turn and they seemed a little bit too confident in advance Bella was coming back scum.

Oh forgot about that. Enchant was his hood mate.

I’m not confident on Enchant but there’s no way scum wasn’t on Bella wagon. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a game where scum didn’t vote mech guiltied buddy. Especially when you have a consensus tr making that guilty.

I don't think that enchant is anyone's hood mate? Might be wrong there are a lot of hoods

Oh sorry then, obviously misread.

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Nancy, I am in a hood with Malcolm. And Malcolm was referring to our hood, because I made the same scum enchant case in the hood as I just did here

Oh okay, makes sense.

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Marci. Are you claiming coroner?

yes

a one shot public one

i want it to be agreed whatll be most helpful to see instead of me just being selfish and doing for my own reads

Did you use it on anyone? Hopefully Bell?

Actually nm, we know Bella whacked him, so hopefully Frogs or Dunn.

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what's up friends

I am a novice two shot cop

T-Bone & Lukewarm are town

I checked with Dragons I am confirmed sane

ceph just roasted you for this - ngl. i laughed.

Yeah, having doubts on Pooky being sane.

I kid.

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Spoiler:

Let's do this

VOTE: Bella

Strongman targets Bell and town!Bella targets Bell is just wtf GG

E-2 maybe? Been a while since I checked. Caution if you vote.

Yeah DP I like that.

UNVOTE:

Zzz sleep soon for me

I've been thinking of a DP => Bella => DP sort of scenario for tonight. We can talk more about it tomorrow.

Taly's not going to get NK'd, I think.

DP tracks Bella target him and either Bella dies or someone random dies. Shows that Bella has the ability to target someone outside of a NK. If PD dies we flip Bella. Strongarm ruins this line of play I guess but so does flipping town!Bella so... we're betting on probabilities there.

I dunno if there's a smarter scenario to play out of... town!Bella... strongarm!scum... will think about it tomorrow or I'm sure someone else can think of it in the meantime.

why would we waste a track just to track them again

VOTE: Bellaphant
this just needs to go and ppl should stop speculating about roles with funny names in a non flip game.

Garbage. We know flavor points to roles and should be taken into account. We don't know what alignment roles are so we have to consider that separately. If we ignore that we're ignoring valid information.

Yup dp, I'm with you on this plan. Unless something else comes out that makes more strategic sense.

Yo we already decided Juliet (bella claim) could be doc.

Did Bella steal it from a scum partner? Sure maybe.

If PD dies tonight we flip bella, 100%.

If Bella is town doc PD doesn't die. Bella dies or someone random dies.

That's the point.

Dp 10344 is on point

We must wait.

Find other scum in meantime. Bella resolves tonight potentially with PD safe or bella as tomorrow's flip. PD safe is highest priority here and if scum decides to leave them both alone tonight, they're fucked anyway.

Wasn't too keen on Rad's progression re Bella on the vote yesterday. Very keen at first, perhaps with no hope of saving Bella if scum, but then potentially opportunistically jumped on an opportunity to save Bella after all once DP was onboard and they had some cover and weren't necessarily fighting a losing case. Would make sense if Enchant was scum too given you'd potentially have one teammate bussing while another makes the defence.

I did think that the way Rad and DP were "I like this"ing and "+1"ing and "on point"ing each other approximately 100 times felt a little off. On one hand I could believe it being Rad trying to reinforce a pocket, but it is an odd move from someone who is fairly consensus townread to throw that away for a risky attempt at delaying a partner's death for one more Day.

I don’t understand why you think it was “off”. I think it’s quite normal to agree with someone who’s mindmelding with you on something.

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Marci. Are you claiming coroner?

yes

a one shot public one

i want it to be agreed whatll be most helpful to see instead of me just being selfish and doing for my own reads

Did you use it on anyone? Hopefully Bell?

uh not yet

btw do you KNOW WHAT PUBLIC MEANS SJDJJWJSJ

yall will know when its used

Oh okay I think I understand now. I’vd never seen a public coroner before this, probably why that went completely over my head.

Anyway, I think Dunn or Frogs would make more sense because of Bella track obviously.

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idk about you i would waste coroner on MathBlade.

i wanted to but gammas literally so rude?!?!?!

"dont waste it, its obvious what he is"

Drap didn’t get results on CSF, so he’s extremely likely to be roleblocker. So you’re a role coroner, so maybe Bella would be good in that case?

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ISOing RAD yesterday, it is true that he voted Bella and changed his mind after my post but he wasn’t early on her. Had he been on her early and then switched due to my post, I think that would probably convince me more. So I don’t think that really means all that much.

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I'm a doc, hence I think there must be two from flavour, I was on rad n1 then bell.

Ok so I guess this isn’t entirely a redcheck then.


I Hardclaim Tracker


N1: CSF - Action Failed for some reason
N2: Bella visited Bell.

@Puppet

Math likely rb.

Yes math RB’r

So you rolechecked Math?

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Probably not, I meant more in terms of like why

you

and not Luke or Pooky or whatever

Could be. I think scum would doc!hint but my role means it’s not cut and dry. So if there is the possibility I’d like town to have more pieces of the full picture.

I guess i don't see why scum would target you over a mason or something

But i agree with the general idea that scum probably didn't target drapion last night to avoid collision with a town protective

So how do you account for the no kill then? This is why I think OfH should check Bella because it looked like she might have been informed about doc.

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I sometimes wonder if I’m invisible.

Maybe I am.

I could be.

I read that post before I read your recent posts about being a coroner.

Thought you were agreeing with the analysis on why Puppets thought he was one.

Did you coroner anyone night 1 or 3?

Cephrir & Bella

Oh cool, why Ceph though? I think his role was obvious.

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oh - what was ceph's exact role?

Hated 1-shot gladiator
Bella is a macho doc

Wow, so she wasn’t lying about that part, so Drap is probably right then about Johnny then, since she probably thought he was town doc.

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BC I WANTED TO USE IT OK
there was no other choice that ceph N1?!?

Yeah sorry, that makes sense.

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If mala already hit both scum with her coroner, I feel like the only person marci could even check right now would be Dunn?

I believe that both are true claiming btw

+1

I agree since Frogs was extremely clear.

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Frog or Dunn

Frogs hard claimed town role cop, so I don’t see the point.

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Frog feels like a waste, since he claimed before he died

is dunnstral useful at all even?

The only other possibility left is Bell and he’s probably just neigbour and it could be helpful if Dunn can be confirmed as FN I guess since BB wants to hold off his shot.

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i would laugh if dunnstral was just vt baiting it would be so hilarious

i kinda trust dunnstral wouldnt lie but if everyone else agrees i can just do it

I don’t think Bell very likely had pr. Frogs already hardclaimed town role cop. Mala took care of the rest, so by most logical process of elimination, Dunn probably makes the most sense.

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okay ill do dunnstral then but dont tell gamma i said this im gonna get screamed at for wAsTiNg ThE pR

It’s literally either Dunn or Bell, so I think Bell is more likely to be a waste than Dunn, unless anyone can find confirmation of him actually clearly claiming FN?

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Are we just accepting that town have all of - can talk to dead, can role check dead and 1-Shot coroner as well?

This all makes sense to everyone yeah?

Are we just accepting that town have all of - can talk to dead, can role check dead and 1-Shot coroner as well?

This all makes sense to everyone yeah?

do u think malakittens or best bird are lying then?

Counterpoint, you could check Bella to check Bella but I think it’s stiil probably accurate, so still probably between Dunn and Bell.

If one pr is bsing us. I believe in this order who is on the level:

You
BB
Mala

And yours and BB’s roles are completely different and I believe what BB said about Ceph. Idk, however Mala didn’t claim anything particularly shocking.

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Check Bella to check Mala.

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Check Bella to check Mala.

My main concern is that how often do you ever see a scum macho anything? Macho is usually a town modifier.

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BB's seems fine independently.

But a full coroner and a 1 Shot coroner just seems meh?

I have locked towned OtH from the getgo and absolutely nothing they’ve posted has changed my read on them one iota.

I’m having real trouble believing in a scum macho doc, so maybe OtH should sanity check Bella.

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idk about you i would waste coroner on MathBlade.

why do you say "waste"?

~GE

I really have trouble telling whether Enchant was serious or trolling with this.

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Are we just accepting that town have all of - can talk to dead, can role check dead and 1-Shot coroner as well?

This all makes sense to everyone yeah?

crying about game imbalance comes from scum like 80% of the time

Wanna do something about it?

are you asking me to buy you kleenex dude?

It’s not a terrible point. Do you think we have two town coroners and a town medium? I mean it’s possible but Mala got macho doc result on Bella and I don’t recall ever seeing a scum macho anything in any game ever.

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Are we just accepting that town have all of - can talk to dead, can role check dead and 1-Shot coroner as well?

This all makes sense to everyone yeah?

crying about game imbalance comes from scum like 80% of the time

inclined to agree esp w math scumflip

~GE

I don’t see what this has anything to do with game imbalance? I think it’s not unreasonable to be sceptical about this, which is different.

[Dancing Puppets]

And the reason scepticism is justified is because both OtH and Mala’s cornoners specifically involve role checking, so I don’t see how that’s strange at all.

[Dancing Puppets]

My problem with the choice to ghost-neighbor ceph is that it's clear to me from the gladiation proceedings he was operating to feed his own ego vs. to the town's benefit
if his goal was town cohesion, DP should never have been a gladiate option, as far as I'm aware they were not a leading suspect D1.
My choice of ghost-neighbor would be dictated by whether I thought it was a rational voice I would like to have assisting me long-term, and Cephrir kinda proved himself not to be of that caliber.

~GE

I agree we never should have been an option but Ceph did flip town. so not sure where you’re going with this? And he was the only n1 option. I probably would have waited to use it on either Frogs or Dunn but meh?

[Dancing Puppets]

Are we just accepting that town have all of - can talk to dead, can role check dead and 1-Shot coroner as well?

This all makes sense to everyone yeah?

crying about game imbalance comes from scum like 80% of the time

inclined to agree esp w math scumflip

~GE

I don’t see what this has anything to do with game imbalance? I think it’s not unreasonable to be sceptical about this, which is different.

most of the time when i hear skepticism about role balance in any game it comes from a scumbag getting all salty about game balance

Both slots claim to be able to rolecop dead slots. It’s not like one checks for role and the other checks who visited them.

[Dancing Puppets]

bruh like how is it even an issue that the game has multiple coroners on town side

you know most games

we dont need coroners

cuz roles get flipped and shit

Right, forgot about that, probably all of OtH, BB and Gamma are town who talk to dead.

[Dancing Puppets]

Probably not, I meant more in terms of like why

you

and not Luke or Pooky or whatever

Could be. I think scum would doc!hint but my role means it’s not cut and dry. So if there is the possibility I’d like town to have more pieces of the full picture.

I guess i don't see why scum would target you over butterchurn or something

But i agree with the general idea that scum probably didn't target drapion last night to avoid collision with a town protective

So how do you account for the no kill then? This is why I think OfH should check Bella because it looked like she might have been informed about doc.

It's a 26p game, there's likely more than 1 protect

oh - what was ceph's exact role?

Hated 1-shot gladiator
Bella is a macho doc

Scum probably don't have any goons since Bella did the kill. They were also not especially worried about a vig.

If so, maybe Frogs was the nk > Frogs?

Okay Oth: rolecheck Dunn then, probably best option.

[Dancing Puppets]

Probably not, I meant more in terms of like why

you

and not Luke or Pooky or whatever

Could be. I think scum would doc!hint but my role means it’s not cut and dry. So if there is the possibility I’d like town to have more pieces of the full picture.

I guess i don't see why scum would target you over butterchurn or something

But i agree with the general idea that scum probably didn't target drapion last night to avoid collision with a town protective

So how do you account for the no kill then? This is why I think OfH should check Bella because it looked like she might have been informed about doc.

It's a 26p game, there's likely more than 1 protect

oh - what was ceph's exact role?

Hated 1-shot gladiator
Bella is a macho doc

Scum probably don't have any goons since Bella did the kill. They were also not especially worried about a vig.

Tin foil theory: Maybe scum have a vig as well? I’ve been in two games with a scum vig.

[Dancing Puppets]

What if Vig is scum.

Can’t believe I just mindmelded with you on literally anything. Wow. Is this the sign of the apocalypse or what?

[Dancing Puppets]

@Marci

If its not too late, I think you should actually sit on your shot

Not opposed to this either.

[Dancing Puppets]

I don't like this game.

Don't worry, I was being pretty cryptic. But at the same time already feel like other people can figure it out.

Make it snappy Mala

Oh lol, I think I’m a freaking genius. Dunn probably vigged Frogs.

Yeah, OtH, Luke is probably right.

[Dancing Puppets]

I don't like this game.

Don't worry, I was being pretty cryptic. But at the same time already feel like other people can figure it out.

Make it snappy Mala

Oh lol, I think I’m a freaking genius. Dunn probably vigged Frogs.

Yeah, OtH, Luke is probably right.

@Gamma, @Marci, you saw this right? And Bell still likely neighbour. I wish you guys hadn’t have claimed your role here because I think it’s probably wasted today and you outed for nothing. :/

[Dancing Puppets]

Yeah agree @Luke. I think it’s extremely obvious from those posts I quoted that Dunn very likely vigged Frogs and Bell is extremely unlikely to be pr.

[Dancing Puppets]

Are you really trying to tell me what I was doing?

Gtfo. I'm done responding to anything signed by you.

cool, go on ahead, doesn't erase the fact you engaged a part of the post that imo you didn't need to

~GE

Can we please not do this? I think you’re both town and this argument is serving no purpose.

To paraphrase Taly here: BB and Gamma, please retreat to your respective corners.

[Dancing Puppets]

I think BB comes out the other side of this skirmish looking pretty town.

They both are.

[Dancing Puppets]

@STD, Taly hasn’t posted onsite since the 20th. It isn’t acceptable to not still not prod them. I don’t want an empty slot not playing.

Especially since I’m townlocking them, we could use that slot’s input here.

[Dancing Puppets]

@Marci

If its not too late, I think you should actually sit on your shot

i am wondering if everyone who has claimed their role (Pooky, Mala, Marci) should claim their flavor.

Feels to me like the danger of flavor claiming is letting the scum guess your role, but for them the role is already out there

I don't like this game.

Don't worry, I was being pretty cryptic. But at the same time already feel like other people can figure it out.

Make it snappy Mala

Oh lol, I think I’m a freaking genius. Dunn probably vigged Frogs.

Yeah, OtH, Luke is probably right.

@Gamma, @Marci, you saw this right? And Bell still likely neighbour. I wish you guys hadn’t have claimed your role here because I think it’s probably wasted today and you outed for nothing. :/

@Marci.

Because there was a kill save that happened today, I can imagine a scenario down the line where scum fake claim the doc that saved who ever was killed today. Being able to check a dead townie that we did not learn their role before they died, feels like a useful thing to keep on hand to discourage them from trying that.

This feels more useful then checking Dunn currently.

If there is a better choice that comes up, then sure. We can look into it.

daniel

and yeah it isnt too late since i choose at night, i just claimed cuz i thought i was the only corner and thought this info would be useful to work with but guess not lol.. so everyone wants me to hold back?

i will be home soon and ill read lukes enchant case again then and think about it!!

Since you only have a one shot and really no useful targets + Luke’s point is valid, it keeps scum from getting away with fake claims.

[Dancing Puppets]

@STD, Taly hasn’t posted onsite since the 20th. It isn’t acceptable to not still not prod them. I don’t want an empty slot not playing.

Especially since I’m townlocking them, we could use that slot’s input here.

Agreed.

Most game mods resolve this by requiring the player to pm them at night. This should have already happened.

[Dancing Puppets]

I'm a doc, hence I think there must be two from flavour, I was on rad n1 then bell.

Think she was true claiming her doc shot on rad n1?

Probably not, afterall we know that Drap targeted you d1, so she could literally claim anything. Gth, she probably targeted Math. Would make the most sense, especially since Dunn crumbed vig.

[Dancing Puppets]

n1

[Dancing Puppets]

Well realizing that Dunn probably was nk’d for softing vig and Math was heavily sr, it makes the most sense, so she probably lied about RAD. Everyone was hard tr RAD post-gladiate. She obviously did that so her reasoning for targeting Bell looked believable.

[Dancing Puppets]

Spoiler:

Does Bella's flavor match up with the idea of being "macho"?

I was looking through the Lost wiki at the episodes Bella mentioned... the character Juliet is indeed a doctor. So yeah... flavor matches...

I couldn't find anything specific from "the other woman" episode that points to Juliet being "macho" but maybe that's not spelled out in the wiki. Any Lost watchers wanna comment on that? Any macho-like character development from her in that episode?

4. Mafia is not determined by flavor. That means roles were mostly selected at random to determine which roles would be mafia.

Let's put some more thought into this.

Mafia's not determined by flavor

, meaning bad guys in the show aren't necessarily scum here, good guys aren't necessarily town.

Roles were

mostly

selected at random to determine which roles would be mafia.

This part doesn't really make sense to me so let's think it through... First - "mostly". Ok so "some" roles may have been selected specifically to be town or specifically scum. Maybe doc is just town no matter what? And we could have, say, a day-shot vig who's scum cause it was random? Along with most other roles, but maybe some are just town or just scum.

So I could see this designed as... assigning specific roles to certain flavor, then randomizing the roles that could be scum (with some roles that CANNOT be scum), and then assigning to players.

That could make a doc like Juliet *just* town.

So question for longer time players. Have you seen scum-docs before on this site?

Ok so scum doc is possible, cool, good to know.

Let's suppose scum!Bella's doc claim is legit for a moment.

Does scum!Bella the doc target Bell as the one making the kill? Wouldn't scum!Bella the doc target the scum killer in case Bell is POG or something? Or maybe scum has an invest role and scum!Bella the doc sits on them just in case? Why is scum!Bella the doc killing Bell?

This series of posts from prior to that is also pretty heavily focused on proving that Bella is actually Juliet and a doctor, and that makes her town. Mala claims that Bella was trueclaiming. It could be a "just asking questions" angle to try to clear Bella as town

due to the fact that her claim was true

.

Why do you believe this to be true? Major FoS.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

This game is pissing me off and I'd rather it just be fun and not so stressful. Killing enchant sounds less stressful. Also I envy their seemingly care free approach to the game.

VOTE: enchant

I'm just kinda psyched that Johnny might not be scum. That makes me happy. Also pretty sure my town!RCE read is correct and I'm happy that me and Nancy are getting along when we clashed so hard earlier.

Humour is my Achilles’ heel. I’m basically putty to anyone who can make me laugh. <3. Not trying to run me up and get me miselimed also helps a lot as well.

[Dancing Puppets]

Spoiler:

Does Bella's flavor match up with the idea of being "macho"?

I was looking through the Lost wiki at the episodes Bella mentioned... the character Juliet is indeed a doctor. So yeah... flavor matches...

I couldn't find anything specific from "the other woman" episode that points to Juliet being "macho" but maybe that's not spelled out in the wiki. Any Lost watchers wanna comment on that? Any macho-like character development from her in that episode?

4. Mafia is not determined by flavor. That means roles were mostly selected at random to determine which roles would be mafia.

Let's put some more thought into this.

Mafia's not determined by flavor

, meaning bad guys in the show aren't necessarily scum here, good guys aren't necessarily town.

Roles were

mostly

selected at random to determine which roles would be mafia.

This part doesn't really make sense to me so let's think it through... First - "mostly". Ok so "some" roles may have been selected specifically to be town or specifically scum. Maybe doc is just town no matter what? And we could have, say, a day-shot vig who's scum cause it was random? Along with most other roles, but maybe some are just town or just scum.

So I could see this designed as... assigning specific roles to certain flavor, then randomizing the roles that could be scum (with some roles that CANNOT be scum), and then assigning to players.

That could make a doc like Juliet *just* town.

So question for longer time players. Have you seen scum-docs before on this site?

Ok so scum doc is possible, cool, good to know.

Let's suppose scum!Bella's doc claim is legit for a moment.

Does scum!Bella the doc target Bell as the one making the kill? Wouldn't scum!Bella the doc target the scum killer in case Bell is POG or something? Or maybe scum has an invest role and scum!Bella the doc sits on them just in case? Why is scum!Bella the doc killing Bell?

This series of posts from prior to that is also pretty heavily focused on proving that Bella is actually Juliet and a doctor, and that makes her town. Mala claims that Bella was trueclaiming. It could be a "just asking questions" angle to try to clear Bella as town

due to the fact that her claim was true

.

Why do you believe this to be true? Major FoS.

~Titus

This is too funny.

Titus had Roden as town due to VCA and I told her I’m a pretty decent a reading Dwlee so both are hard town for me both by mech and meta. Titus told me she forgot our convo about that.

[Dancing Puppets]

Game is scum driven and 2/3 yeets have been on scum.

Ok.

It's my paranoid hero solve. I get to gloat like fuck end game when scum!Luke dominates the shit out of town as the top town read all game. I admit it's ridiculous though with my statement "but that seems ridiculous and I dunno how scum pooky or Luke get to end game without being obv scum so it's whatever". And I'm still willing to just follow Luke on this Enchant flip cause chances are Luke's just town here.

He wants to call the people scum reading him scum, but realizes that me and pooky both pushed math.

Pfff I've been sus of you and T-Bone for a while now.

@Bell what do you think about T-Bone's 8736 and Luke's 9072 with regards to their reads on me / descriptions of my play this game?

@Bell what do you think about T-Bone's 8736 and Luke's 9072 with regards to their reads on me / descriptions of my play this game?

You do know that a single player scum reading you is okay right? Lol

I do!

I also read him town and would like to hear his thoughts about those posts

For some context Luke, I feel similar about both you and T-Bone as you feel about T-Bone. I'd like to get some more opinions to help round out my reads, and hey, if Bell's scum that answer could be useful as well.

It doesn't have to be me trying to convince Bell that I'm town with your and T-Bone's endorsement, ya know?

Pooky announcing you're both town via cop read when there's no great reason to throw that out right now just made me sus Pooky. And in the scenario where scum!Pooky does that, I try to figure out what the likely scenario is for Luke and T-Bone's alignments. Probably safe to pull in 1 scum partner there. Kinda ridiculous to pull in 2. And really safe to just announce you're cop and 2 townies are town.

Even if you were right on Pooky, it would be hella stupid for scum!him to clear two buddies, no? I also think it would make way more sense for scum!Pooky to claim the two guities as scum. I really can’t see why Pooky would ever fake clear his buddies but he might claim a gulty on one, so your theory I think is flawed. Anyway clearing two townies reads +town to me and I actually had some major paranoia on him after Bell nk.

[Dancing Puppets]

Here's the post-by-post paraphrase/summary of the neighborhood starting with MathBlade's entrance. (I already summarized/paraphrased the posts leading up to MathBlade's entrance in 9386.) I am putting it in spoilers because it's pretty long. If I am being vague, it's because 1) I want to stay pretty clear of the "not quite a copy-paste but dangerously close to being one" line and 2) the question or comment was very likely insignificant and would not be very relevant at this point.

Spoiler: Neighborhood Summary Pages 2-4

27: MathBlade asks what he should look at first as the thread is very large.
28: MathBlade clarifies that 27 is also meant to help sort us.
29: I mention our post restriction to MathBlade and that I cannot help him catch up much.
30: MathBlade asks if it is known that he and us can speak together in private.
31: Guanine responds that the existence of the PT is not public yet.
32: Guanine quotes 31 that he forgot to sign and signs this post.
33: MathBlade says he will crumb the neighborhood.
34: Guanine agrees that crumbing is a good idea.
35: Guanine quotes 34 that he forgot to sign and signs this post.
36: MathBlade posts his first crumb (post #2398).
37: MathBlade posts his second crumb (post #2496).
38: MathBlade posts his third crumb (post #2510).
39: MathBlade says people are avoiding talking about Bell.
40: MathBlade asks us a question and says he can help us save words by posting for us.
41: I respond to the question in 40.
42: Guanine follows up my response in 41.
43: MathBlade says he is looking at vote counts.
44: MathBlade asks who our signatures correspond to.
45: I post some notes I had on the thread. I also respond to MathBlade's question in 44 explaining my view on the matter and letting Guanine decide.
46: MathBlade asks me if he can paraphrase my 45.
47: MathBlade posts his fourth crumb (post #2713).
48: MathBlade says that he posted my 45.
49: MathBlade wants the neighborhood to be public.

50: Guanine, responding to MathBlade's question in 44, says that he has already slipped who is who.
51: Guanine suggests MathBlade just claim his flavor Sun.
52: MathBlade double-checks whether we are okay with him claiming his flavor.
53: MathBlade makes an edit to his post in 52.
54: MathBlade makes another comment relating to 52.
55: MathBlade says he will go ahead and flavor claim.
56: Guanine asks a question to MathBlade.
57: MathBlade asks for Guanine to clarify the context for the question in 56.
58: MathBlade says he has not seen scum Lukewarm before and is hesitant to start a wagon there if Lukewarm is town.
59: Guanine responds and says that he liked Lukewarm's early game.
60: MathBlade asks if we need anything or can give him a reads list.
61: Guanine says he is moving Bell up to null and Dancing Puppets to town. He also mentions that Klick and Frog are still null as well.
62: Guanine says he still has reservations about Bell.
63: MathBlade asks us to clarify what can be shared.
64: MathBlade wonders if it is possible that everyone except Bell is town.
65: Guanine responds that everything from him is shareable.
66: Guanine responds to MathBlade's 64 with the fact that Taly confirmed Bell as Boone.
67: MathBlade responds to Guanine's 66 that it is either a fake claim, or MathBlade's theory is off.
68: MathBlade is frustrated with the game.
69: MathBlade asks us what reads we want to share.
70: I respond to MathBlade's 64 with it being unlikely given how Save the Dragons advertised the game.
71: MathBlade says that he got a bit upset.
72: MathBlade asks us what a long number means.
73: MathBlade agains says he would like for us to give him something to post.
74: I respond to 72 by explaining how Pooky wanted reads Day 1.

75: MathBlade says the scum are the active players. He specifically calls out Dancing Puppets.
76: MathBlade asks us to further explain our Dancing Puppets town read.
77: Guanine responds to 76 with an elaboration.
78: Guanine reiterates that MathBlade can share anything Guanine posts.
79: Guanine says he is at page 172 in the the thread.
80: MathBlade once again asks us to further explain our town read of Dancing Puppets.
81: MathBlade complains that reading the game is hard due to to how quickly the game is progressing.
82: MathBlade explains why he unvoted and asks us to give some scum reads.
83: Guanine talks a bit about Dancing Puppet's 4367.
84: MathBlade says that he is still not convinced by our arguments that Dancing Puppets is town.
85: Guanine states that Roden's claim has removed Roden from Guanine's scum reads.
86: Guanine gives in a bit to MathBlade's 84.
87: MathBlade asks us to give a quick blurb for every player we town read.
88: MathBlade says that he would like to town read Dancing Puppets, but he needs a good reason to do so.
89: Guanine asks MathBlade to clarify 87.
90: MathBlade believes there are scum in the people voting Roden.
91: Guanine posts our list of town reads and reasons why.
92: Guanine makes some corrections to 91.
93: Guanine clarifies that the list reflects most his opinion rather than our collective opinion.
94: MathBlade is somewhat satisfied by what Guanine has given him to work with.
95: Guanine suggests Klick as the potential scum in the Roden voters.
96: MathBlade is okay with wagoning Klick but is worried about how that may be perceived.
97: Guanine suggests the best strategy for wagoning Klick is to combine forces with Bell.
98: MathBlade says that he voted Klick.
99: MathBlade says he is not town reading Bell.

I'll post the other half of the neigbhorhood chat and our thoughts on associations and anti-associations tomorrow.
~Cytosine

Wow cool, my theory on Math switching his read on us to mollify DNA actually turned out to be correct. Happy to know I got something right in this game.

DNA definitely town for this post alone + Bella spew as well but it’s abundantly clear that Math tried to hard drive a miselim on us and DNA nipped it in the bud.

[Dancing Puppets]

I’ll save a rad dive till tomorrow when I can actually go through the iso. I want to hear Nancy’s thoughts on Rad as well.

Lololol this is too funny after all so many of my reads have been stellar.

I will re-ISO him but I really think Bella probably visited Math on n1, so gth her RAD visit claim read to me as an attempt to justify Bell visit, so if you think extremely likely that Bella visited Math on n1 and not RAD - and seriously why would Bella heal RAD when he was being extremely hard tr after his posts during gladiate on d1, so scum likely realized Dunn softed vig and therefore it makes the most sense that Bella lied about visiting RAD on n1 and most likely healed Math since he’s rb. Corwin practically locktowned RAD. So without an extensive re-ISOing of RAD, I think it would be weird for Bella to lie about visiting her buddy if he’s scum but I only really trust my reads on certain players and being so wrong on Bella made me doubt how much I can trust some of my reads.

OtH, Taly, Drap, masons, you, BB and now DNA due to that paraphrase are the reads I feel extremely confident on rn. Iow, I would hard veto wagons on them. Other slots, I would have to take into account my own solve + listen to what others are saying.

So will reread RAD tomorrow.

[Dancing Puppets]

Here's the post-by-post paraphrase/summary of the neighborhood starting with MathBlade's entrance. (I already summarized/paraphrased the posts leading up to MathBlade's entrance in 9386.) I am putting it in spoilers because it's pretty long. If I am being vague, it's because 1) I want to stay pretty clear of the "not quite a copy-paste but dangerously close to being one" line and 2) the question or comment was very likely insignificant and would not be very relevant at this point.

Spoiler: Neighborhood Summary Pages 2-4

27: MathBlade asks what he should look at first as the thread is very large.
28: MathBlade clarifies that 27 is also meant to help sort us.
29: I mention our post restriction to MathBlade and that I cannot help him catch up much.
30: MathBlade asks if it is known that he and us can speak together in private.
31: Guanine responds that the existence of the PT is not public yet.
32: Guanine quotes 31 that he forgot to sign and signs this post.
33: MathBlade says he will crumb the neighborhood.
34: Guanine agrees that crumbing is a good idea.
35: Guanine quotes 34 that he forgot to sign and signs this post.
36: MathBlade posts his first crumb (post #2398).
37: MathBlade posts his second crumb (post #2496).
38: MathBlade posts his third crumb (post #2510).
39: MathBlade says people are avoiding talking about Bell.
40: MathBlade asks us a question and says he can help us save words by posting for us.
41: I respond to the question in 40.
42: Guanine follows up my response in 41.
43: MathBlade says he is looking at vote counts.
44: MathBlade asks who our signatures correspond to.
45: I post some notes I had on the thread. I also respond to MathBlade's question in 44 explaining my view on the matter and letting Guanine decide.
46: MathBlade asks me if he can paraphrase my 45.
47: MathBlade posts his fourth crumb (post #2713).
48: MathBlade says that he posted my 45.
49: MathBlade wants the neighborhood to be public.

50: Guanine, responding to MathBlade's question in 44, says that he has already slipped who is who.
51: Guanine suggests MathBlade just claim his flavor Sun.
52: MathBlade double-checks whether we are okay with him claiming his flavor.
53: MathBlade makes an edit to his post in 52.
54: MathBlade makes another comment relating to 52.
55: MathBlade says he will go ahead and flavor claim.
56: Guanine asks a question to MathBlade.
57: MathBlade asks for Guanine to clarify the context for the question in 56.
58: MathBlade says he has not seen scum Lukewarm before and is hesitant to start a wagon there if Lukewarm is town.
59: Guanine responds and says that he liked Lukewarm's early game.
60: MathBlade asks if we need anything or can give him a reads list.
61: Guanine says he is moving Bell up to null and Dancing Puppets to town. He also mentions that Klick and Frog are still null as well.
62: Guanine says he still has reservations about Bell.
63: MathBlade asks us to clarify what can be shared.
64: MathBlade wonders if it is possible that everyone except Bell is town.
65: Guanine responds that everything from him is shareable.
66: Guanine responds to MathBlade's 64 with the fact that Taly confirmed Bell as Boone.
67: MathBlade responds to Guanine's 66 that it is either a fake claim, or MathBlade's theory is off.
68: MathBlade is frustrated with the game.
69: MathBlade asks us what reads we want to share.
70: I respond to MathBlade's 64 with it being unlikely given how Save the Dragons advertised the game.
71: MathBlade says that he got a bit upset.
72: MathBlade asks us what a long number means.
73: MathBlade agains says he would like for us to give him something to post.
74: I respond to 72 by explaining how Pooky wanted reads Day 1.

75: MathBlade says the scum are the active players. He specifically calls out Dancing Puppets.
76: MathBlade asks us to further explain our Dancing Puppets town read.
77: Guanine responds to 76 with an elaboration.
78: Guanine reiterates that MathBlade can share anything Guanine posts.
79: Guanine says he is at page 172 in the the thread.
80: MathBlade once again asks us to further explain our town read of Dancing Puppets.
81: MathBlade complains that reading the game is hard due to to how quickly the game is progressing.
82: MathBlade explains why he unvoted and asks us to give some scum reads.
83: Guanine talks a bit about Dancing Puppet's 4367.
84: MathBlade says that he is still not convinced by our arguments that Dancing Puppets is town.
85: Guanine states that Roden's claim has removed Roden from Guanine's scum reads.
86: Guanine gives in a bit to MathBlade's 84.
87: MathBlade asks us to give a quick blurb for every player we town read.
88: MathBlade says that he would like to town read Dancing Puppets, but he needs a good reason to do so.
89: Guanine asks MathBlade to clarify 87.
90: MathBlade believes there are scum in the people voting Roden.
91: Guanine posts our list of town reads and reasons why.
92: Guanine makes some corrections to 91.
93: Guanine clarifies that the list reflects most his opinion rather than our collective opinion.
94: MathBlade is somewhat satisfied by what Guanine has given him to work with.
95: Guanine suggests Klick as the potential scum in the Roden voters.
96: MathBlade is okay with wagoning Klick but is worried about how that may be perceived.
97: Guanine suggests the best strategy for wagoning Klick is to combine forces with Bell.
98: MathBlade says that he voted Klick.
99: MathBlade says he is not town reading Bell.

I'll post the other half of the neigbhorhood chat and our thoughts on associations and anti-associations tomorrow.
~Cytosine

Because this was actually my theory and Math eventually backed off of me, I definitely believe this. Math backed off of us to get tr by DNA. He had no choice, he had to keep DNA haapy.

[Dancing Puppets]

So, who we killing

Who do you suggest?

Go murderize mason claims, idk

Are you seriously fucking joking with this?