Chuck Season 1 - GAME OVER

[dramonic]

If you think MBF is a serial killer, your vote on me is pretty fail <_<

[Thor665]

I think you're more likely scum than I am certain he's an SK.

[Thor665]

I will agree he's been derpy enough I almost want to hammer him for the joy of it though though - I want that on record for him if he is town.

[PeregrineV]

Sorry, thought I fixed this a few posts ago.

Unvote.
Vote:Dramonic

[Thor665]

@Pere - when did you think you started voting Dram? Link me to the post you intended to vote him in, please.

[PeregrineV]

@Pere - when did you think you started voting Dram? Link me to the post you intended to vote him in, please.

Here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p3121806

It should have been right after this sentence.

I suspected CDB becasue of day2, and like someone else already said, Dramonic hasn't done much to make that different.

[mikeburnfire]

Dram is at L-1.

Ant, the plan, as I understand it, is to kill Thor tonight. If you want to change the plan, say so now.

Also, my earlier question about MoS's flavor.

[Empking]

Ant: CXhange it to killing Peregrine.

[Ragnarokio]

I'm against killing peregrine, I'd rather kill thor or MoS.

I'm also suspicious of how easily the dramonic wagon built up, and don't think it's likely he's scum anyway.

cop, vig, neighborizer, mystery role x, protector of sort.
that's a lot.

@Rag: Do you have ANY reason to believe MBF is town outside of personal read?

Personal read of his play, the fact that a serial killer doesn't fit easily into a 13-player game, and all the other logic supporting him being town.

I'll post something large tonight

[Ant_to_the_max]

HA!

Pere dies tonight. I might have just figured this out. Brb with what I mean

[dramonic]

If you had figured this out you'd be voting MBF.

[Ant_to_the_max]

I would sooo rather we switch that plan, Ant.

My scumread on TS is relative to my scumread on Exe, so seeing if Exe will execute TS will be really helpful in me determining Exe's alignment.

Tragedy today, TS tomorrow sounds like a good plan to me.

I dunno man...As soon as I read Rag's last post, I INSTANTLY thought of this one. In that game, I had the power to decide who was going to die that die. I wanted to kill Twistedspoon because I was pretty sure he was scum, but I did have a town read on Amrun and I trusted her judgement. So I executed Tragedy instead...and then town lost the game to Amrun/TS/other/other scum >____>

lynch Dram -> vig Pere -> lynch Rag sounds like a very good (tentative) plan to me. If I live tomorrow, I think I will have enough information to solve the puzzle.

Dram, why shouldn't we kill you? (aka I believe it is time to claim)

[Thor665]

I'm also suspicious of how easily the dramonic wagon built up, and don't think it's likely he's scum anyway.

Please explain this Ms. 'I give good thoughts in a QT but never in the actual game thread'

Basically I and Pere created this switch. We got off someone you claim is uber obvious super town PR that we had at L-1 in order to make this wagon happen.
I want to smack you with a dead carp.
The horror is you're still playing more pro town than mbf today - and that is terrible.

Please explain how either myself or MoS make sense as dana scumbuddy. Please use Day 2 when you do this.

Re-stating;

If MBF is Vig he would benefit town by not shooting tonight. If he has to shoot I would tend to point towards Pere, but would strongly advise against it unless Dram flips scum.

[Thor665]

@Ant - Rag is terrible, but her Day 2 actions are a little odd if she is scum. I'll agree someone in that neighborhood is probably lying their socks off, but I think it's mbf who has made a concentrated effort today to fug with town's face repeatedly. I would most assuredly want to kill MBF first in that partnership.

[PeregrineV]

If MBF is Vig he would benefit town by not shooting tonight. If he has to shoot I would tend to point towards Pere, but would strongly advise against it unless Dram flips scum.

Ant: CXhange it to killing Peregrine.

HA!
Pere dies tonight. I might have just figured this out. Brb with what I mean

Why is everybody encouraging the vig to kill me?

Why did Ant want to vig EmpKing then change it?

Where did the EmpKing hate for me come from?
Why did Emp's thread activity triple with town confirmation by Ant?

@Ant- I'd love to hear how you have it figured out. Everyone else seems stumped or is scum.

[dramonic]

Dram, why shouldn't we kill you? (aka I believe it is time to claim)

I said that already.
Because if MBF is a serial killer and you lynch me you put yourself in prisoner's dilemna.
This is not just me though.

I'm basically saying any lynch outside of MBF is poor play right now.
I think the scum is probably Thor and Peregrine, but since there could be a godfather I'm not advocating any of their lynches, because on the 33% chance the one I choose to pursue flips town and MBF IS a serial killer, town can't win anymore.

Meanwhile, if we lynch MBF now, he'll flip town or SK.
If he flips town, we're in MyLo, you have an extra investigation, we no lynch, you have ANOTHER investigation (provided whatever blocked a kill N1 is gracious enough to keep you alive some more)
If he flips SK, it's the same as above unless MBF was bulletproof and thus you die.

If we lynch outside of MBF
He was SK, we hit town, he does too, town loses.
He was SK, we hit town, he hits scum, same as today
He was SK, we hit scum, he hits scum, we lynch him
He was SK, we hit scum, he doesn't, see scenario 2
He was vig, we hit town, he hits town, LyLo
He was vig, we hit town, he hits scum, See scenario 2
He was vig, we hit scum, he hits town, See scenario 2
He was vig, we hit scum, he hits scum, we win
He was vig we hit town he doesnt shoot, MyLo
He was vig we hit scum he doesn't shoot, basically see scenario 2


TL:DR
If MBF flips SK we're in good shape
If MBF flips vig we're at worst in MyLo
If we mislynch and he's SK at worst we lose
If we mislynch and he's vig it's the same as today
if we lynch and he's sk it's the same as today
if we lynch and he's vig it's the same as today

I'll take scenario 1 or 2 over scenario 3 through 6, thank you very much.

If someone OTHER than ant wants me to claim i will

@Ant: Investigating Rag is baaaaaaaaaaad play

[Empking]

Where did the EmpKing hate for me come from?

Its more about Thor being obvtown.

[PeregrineV]

@Thor- What are you using as your source for MoS being town? The neighborizer role on mafiascum is 6-2(?) a scum role.

[dramonic]

And you got that stat... where?

[PeregrineV]

@Dramonic- You have mentioned everyone in the game more than once and MoS only once. Why is that? Why do you think he is town?

[PeregrineV]

Website search function using keyword neighborizer. I put a question mark since I didn't also look up neighbourizer.

[dramonic]

Because two "bad guy+town guy" neighborhoods would be... odd.

[Empking]

Is the 2 town or scum?

[PeregrineV]

@Dramonic- Yet you still have Rag as town, and MoS is town (but make no other mention of him ever), and Ant is town (as the nieghborizer target) and think MBF is SK so that makes it "balanced"?

Let's see, likelihood contest:
SK neighbor+ town neighbor
town target +town neighborizer

or

town neighbor + town neighbor
town target + scum neighborizer

Gonna go with the second choice.

@EmpKing- the 2 are town versions. Another town version called Masonizer seems to exist, but I didn't include that.

[dramonic]

2 town PR in a neighborhood that can somehow confirm each other is not balanced Peregrine.
It's poor design and adding a scum neighbour will never be enough to counteract that.

Let's assume MoS is scum for a second.
We have a mafia RB, a mafia Neighborizer.
We have a cop, a doc of sort, a vig and a mysterious role (at least), the two latter apparently being able to cross-confirm, so essentially masons.
I would love to see you come up with a final scum role to counteract such a ridiculous town.