Open 191 - Paris Mafia II (Game Over!)

[Looker]

Rhinox is likely

not

scum.

fixed.
bout the best I can do until there is a reason...

As long as you capitalized on the fact that he gave no reasoning and, thusly, provided us with nil in that post while attempting to appear as offering something worthwhile. (aka trying to look pro-town)

Looker, you seem to have a problem getting names right. not just Mylynes, but mine as well. if it makes it easier, just use Elf. but it's xofelf kthx.

I'm sorry. I thought I could remember all of your names without looking at the playerlist. Guess not. It won't happen again.

Looker, darling, I think I have found a pretty cosy bandwagon for us two. Would you join me?

I would, sweetheart, but I'm kind of busy.

unvote
vote xoxelf

There is no partner, Rhinox; it's a gambit.

I don't believe it's a gambit, and I'm a bit curious that Looker seems so sure that Kise is town gambiting.

Kyle, I don't understand how your mime-jester correlation affects your voting. What did you

think

they were? Why did you unvote?

It's also hypocritical to vote Kyle for not picking up on the jester thing, considering your initial reaction to Kise's claim was:

I say we lynch you. (If you're not going to vote, of course)

The case on kyle99 is weak. It's plausible he missed that they were jesters when reading the role PMs. I did the first time I read it, and only caught it the second time.

- I wouldn't say sure, but, like I said, I try to avoid making cases based or dependent upon the competence of other players.
- We

should

/

are

going to lynch Kise if he doesn't vote. What other purpose would you see in keeping him around?
- If you had said that before, we could have dropped it then.

[XScorpion]

We don't need to lynch Kise though, the vigilante is supposed to shoot him (right?).
I'm really not comfortable voting anyone right now...unlike rhinox's "let's just lynch and forget the mimes" policy, I want town to win first.

unvote

[Looker]

We don't need to lynch Kise though, the vigilante is supposed to shoot him (right?).

Well, technically...

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@MOD: Can Watchers watch themselves at night?

[xofelf]

any particular reason you're voting me, Looker? Or is it just because you can and no reasoning behind it whatsoever? Not that i really mind.

also, flinter, i very much do not like how you are cozying up to people the way you are. You have never done so before, and the way you're doing so now bleeds fake to me.

Vote: flinter

Sorry honey, but that just oozes scumminess at me.

[xRECKONERx]

Watcher needs to watch Kise; Vig should vig Kise. Then Watcher will know Vig, and he can confirm him should the claim come up.

[Looker]

any particular reason you're voting me, Looker? Or is it just because you can and no reasoning behind it whatsoever? Not that i really mind.

I just wanted to see you again.

unvote

Watcher needs to watch Kise; Vig should vig Kise. Then Watcher will know Vig, and he can confirm him should the claim come up.

We'll see how that plays out. We need a lynch.

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KYLE99

- You're up, who's the lynch for today? Pick somebody. (via vote, of course)

[Looker]

Forgot to mention that, until you do so, I'll be voting you.

vote Kyle99

[kyle99]

I think kise is mime, and I think people need to post more, specifically Sarag. I'll

vote: Sarag

till he comes and explains himself.

[Mylynes]

I think kise is mime, and I think people need to post more, specifically Sarag. I'll

vote: Sarag

till he comes and explains himself.

Unvote

You are actually learning more town than scum atm. Also Sarag is Gerty I believe.

[Mylynes]

leaning*

[kyle99]

leaning*

Ah crap, I hate alts.

unvote

.

[xRECKONERx]

leaning*

Ah crap, I hate alts.

unvote

.

Can we lynch kyle now?

[flinter]

also, flinter, i very much do not like how you are cozying up to people the way you are. You have never done so before, and the way you're doing so now bleeds fake to me.

Vote: flinter

Sorry

honey

, but that just oozes scumminess at me.

It seems you are doing the same. You saw it with looker, which was because he had stated he wanted a bandwagon, without any real preference. I thought I should ask him for a bandwagon that would be good. Of course the way I asked was a little overdoing it, but when you ask someone to help you, you got to be a little nicer to them, don't you think?

and you were also in the first game, you can probably see that I'm playing in the same way. You probably could see too that Xscorpion isn't doing this. If this is all true, can you see he is likely scum too?

[Looker]

Okay, since Kyle & Mylynes both appear to be (read: are) thoroughly confused, I'll leave the decision to Kise.

Unvote
Vote Kise

Who should we lynch?

[Looker]

Gerty pointed out that he was Sarag

twice

btw

[VP Baltar]

Vote Count 1-5

:

Kise ~ L-5 (Cat, Looker)

kyle99 ~ L-6 (xRECKONERx)
Cat ~ L-6 (Rhinox)
Gerty ~ L-6 (Dry-fit)
XScorpion ~ L-6 (flinter)
Mylynes ~ L-6 (Gerty)
flinter ~ L-6 (xofelf)

Not Voting: Kise, kyle99, XScorpion, Mylynes

With

12

alive, it takes

7

to lynch. Deadline is January 18 at roughly 8 a.m. (GMT-5).

Mod - if the mimes achieve their win condition, does the game end?

Yes, all win conditions are exclusive victories.

@MOD: Can Watchers watch themselves at night?

Yes.

[xRECKONERx]

Kyle should be lynched... among many reasons, 135 is perhaps the most telling.

[Looker]

Okay. Still waiting to see who Kise picks, tho.

[flinter]

I find lookers way of coming to a lynch slightly... interesting. Lets see what comes from it.

Further, I would like to say that I don't think I'll support a kyle lynch. I don't believe it will be on scum. Kyle's actions seem more like eager town play then scumplay to me, having read a recent game where he was scum. I don't even think his play so much antitown, just not that... lucky. His vote on Sarag had good intentions, I think, and the unvote was seen his explanation nothing special. I don't see where Reck gets his lynch-eagerness from.

Seen the way Xscorpion defends, I would like to see a lynch of him, please. If someone doesn't understand why I think him scum, please ask. I would be happy to try to explain it.

[XScorpion]

Way to totally not answer my question, Flinter.

[flinter]

So just to be clear, you're voting me because I haven't made an analysis of the players I find scummy yet?

I saw this one as rhetorical, and it probably is, since my answer is likely supposed to be your starting point for a defense.

The answer is: partially. You have shown no intention to find antitown players, which you did do in the previous game (so you seem to have different motives then in that game). Here, you are not sticking your neck out to find scum, but you are sitting back, out of the spotlight. You are more concerned with my attack on you and how to defend against it then you are at anything else.

And yes, I said this all before.

[XScorpion]

Well, here is my thought process.
I think Kise is mime.
The vig is supposed to shoot him tonight.
When he gets shot, if he is mime, all mimes are dead (cannot fulfill win condition).
I don't see a point in "finding anti-town players" when we don't want to lynch half of them. I'd rather wait until the mimes are dead, THEN go scumhunting.

[flinter]

This is an excuse you just made up, clearly. Otherwise you would have posted this first, without waiting for my repeat of the case, as you claim this was your thoughtprocess all along.

But Xscorpion, it is not an explanation, it is an excuse. It also confirms that you are not scumhunting. You claim there is no difference between scum and mimes, and that because of that we should not search scum today and should rather random lynch. I rather have a better chance at lynching mafia, something you don't seem to be interested in.

As town, your first idea should be to lynch scum. This is always the same, and also here. Your excuse works even less, since if Kise is a mime, we could accidentaly lynch his buddy, and still shoot him tonight: the mimes lose.


tl;dr: Xscorpion confirms he didn't scumhunt, but there is no reason not to. He should be lynched.

[XScorpion]

Actually I wouldn't mind a no lynch until mimes are dead, but whatever floats your boat I guess.

[flinter]

2) All votes and unvotes must be done in bold to count. An example would be: Unvote, Vote: VP Baltar. You may also Vote: No Lynch if you please,

but this will not be an option as long as the Mime roles are still living.

Unvotes are required before you will be allowed to move your vote to another player.

yeah, that is brilliant, Xscorpion. And it by far doesn't explain why you, if you were a towny, wouldn't reflexively start to scumhunt. You didn't scumhunt because you are mafia.