NY 162: A Week at the Theatres (Game Over)

[KingdomAces]

SERIOUSLY!! CAN YOU AT LEAST READ MY TL;DR BEFORE CONTINUING!

I don't want to rage post, but this is accomplishing nothing the way you two are going back and forth on each other.

[Nobody Special]

Who two?

[Go]

SERIOUSLY!! CAN YOU AT LEAST READ MY TL;DR BEFORE CONTINUING!

I don't want to rage post, but this is accomplishing nothing the way you two are going back and forth on each other.

Well Kingdom is town.

@Windup - Maybe I was. Sorry if the point I was trying to make was a little complex, but I fail to see how it doesn't make sense. If you want to disagree with me thats fine. And really thats just one part of why Zepher is scummy as hell. I thought I wouldn't need to point out why as basically every post he's made has been scummy and bad. But I guess people aren't picking up on it? Lynch Zepher or HD, watch em flip scum, then lynch the other.

[KingdomAces]

Anyway, now that's over with it's time to go on to what I actually think of alignments. Despite the rampant arguing, both Go and Destroyer seem to be coming from town mindsets. Not exactly helpful town, but still probably town. Go because there's no reason to think that he's actually going to get that mislynch this early in an 18p game, and Destroyer because I've gotten into that type of fight before, and the way Destroyer is acting here greatly reminds me of what I was thinking then.

Go, I understand where the "he was thinking ahead of time about what he would be voted for" comes from. If he was actually thinking about that before he posted, then I highly doubt he would have actually posted 29. Really he doesn't make all that much sense any way I look at it, so I'm just going to go with Zepher being null for now.

All ZONEACE has done so far has been troll. He's null until he does something else. That's actually my read on most of the game honestly, trolling part included. I haven't noticed anything particularly scummy yet from anyone.

[wind-up]

@Windup - Maybe I was. Sorry if the point I was trying to make was a little complex, but I fail to see how it doesn't make sense. If you want to disagree with me thats fine. And really thats just one part of why Zepher is scummy as hell. I thought I wouldn't need to point out why as basically every post he's made has been scummy and bad. But I guess people aren't picking up on it? Lynch Zepher or HD, watch em flip scum, then lynch the other.

People aren't picking up on it for the exact reason you outlined here:

just because you believe something to be true that doesn't mean it magically applies to everyone else. If I believe in god that doesn't make everyone else automatically believe in god and I dont call everyone wrong when they dont.

Just substitute "believe in god" for "believe that being expected to be voted for something is what mafia think about, not town".

When you can actually support your assertion outside of your generalisation that "town isn't concerned about what they will be voted for they're usually RVSing or throwing around a few votes to test the waters", then people might be a bit more convinced of your arguments. (Hint: use evidence, not conjecture. You can't speak on behalf of everyone's town meta.)

[Go]

Yeah well I was assuming a certain level of skill when I joined the game. That assumption was probably wrong.

[wind-up]

It's not about skill. It's about your bad logic, plain and simple.

[Go]

Scumhunting and finding mafia has nothing to do with logic lol

[wind-up]

Wrong. For your arguments to be valid, they have to be logically sound.

[wind-up]

"Logic (from the Greek λογική, logikē) refers to both the study of modes of reasoning (which are valid, and which are fallacious) and the use of valid reasoning."

"The use of valid reasoning" sounds pretty scumhunting-and-finding-mafia related.

[Smashbard]

Unvote. Vote: Go

I'd like you to answer the questions one after the other that I reposted for you last page. You can do it in A. B. C. format. 1) 2) 3). You can go quote for quote. I don't care. But after I hounded Destroyer to give me a clear answer I expect you to do the same.

[MrZepher]

Huh. Sorry I slept all day otherwise I would have posted sooner.

@Bacde: I try too hard to be funny in all my games :/

I feel like KingdomAces vote on Bacde is either a legitimate attempt at pulling us into proper discussion but it's a silly vote for a silly reason
Or it's a blatant attempt at misdirection to draw people away from the Go/HD thing. Which tells me that the Go/HD thing is not a townvstown argument.

I think Go has some valid points that are clouded in frustration.
HD is just being HD.
At this point either could be scum if one of them isn't town.

Also I get how Smash uses his votes now. I was really confused as to why he was jumping around so much @-@

[KingdomAces]

Go, I can't speak for how useful logic is at EM, but here it's going to be your main weapon since reactions are less useful. I'm not saying that reactions can't help, but scum are going to have more time to plan responses and pick what they're going to say. You need logic to see through that.

Zepher, if you'd looked a bit more closely, you'd see that it was an unvote. Also, I thought it looked like town on town that was escalating towards a 1v1, so yeah I was trying to stop that before it happened.

[MrZepher]

Oh woops. I saw the name with the vote tag and assumed it was a vote.

blargh.

[JacobSavage]

YOU TWO STOP, GO SIT IN YOUR RESPECTIVE NAUGHTY CORNER.

[KingdomAces]

They haven't been on for five hours, so yelling at them to stop now is pointless. Do you have any opinions on the argument while you're here?

[JacobSavage]

It's long and I'm lazy . But if only one of the two is town its HD, he has the better case .

[Go]

Wrong. For your arguments to be valid, they have to be logically sound.

Holding hands isn't my thing. And where have I been illogical?

Unvote. Vote: Go

I'd like you to answer the questions one after the other that I reposted for you last page. You can do it in A. B. C. format. 1) 2) 3). You can go quote for quote. I don't care. But after I hounded Destroyer to give me a clear answer I expect you to do the same.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4692395

[Go]

greygnarl
ActionDan
Konowa
TheTrollie
kdowns
dramonic

Are you guys playing or what?

It's long and I'm lazy . But if only one of the two is town its HD, he has the better case .

Ask yourself these questions.

1. Why did HD start tunneling me in the first place?
2. Who has clogged up the thread with a bunch of rhetoric?
3. Why did he evade the simple question of "is Zepher town?"
4. Who lies/is this evasive about something so benign?
5. Out of us two, which of us has consistently made more common sense?

[Human Destroyer]

1) There's a large difference between tunneling and calling someone scum. Learn it.
2) Gee, I wonder where we might need rhetoric. Maybe in a game about arguing? Hm I WONDER
3) I didn't, you just got all mad about word semantics.
4) Except I never lied. So where are you getting this "He's lying" crap? And again, you got mad about my answer for word semantics.
5) Me. You've just shoved "HD is scum" in everyone's face 20000 times in hopes people will believe your crap "case".

[Go]

because he is the type of player who will have a response to everything regardless of common sense.

I've said all I've wanted to say concerning HD. If you want to lynch him, great. If not, that sucks because he is most definitely mafia.

[Human Destroyer]

I'm going to stick my fingers in my ears and scream at the top of my lungs so no one hears anything HD is saying about me and hopefully no one will vote me for it!

[ActionDan]

EZ mode engage!

I have read and fully understood the last 6 pages.

HD, Go, Kingdom, Smash, and Wind-up are all town. every one. The entire argument for the last few pages has escalated because HD made a very small mistake. very small. I made it too while I was reading. it was #87. I don't think he ever realized it and while it's been pointed out by smash explicitly it's irrelevant now.

please dont dicuss it g2g bbl

also NS is scum

Vote: NS

[ActionDan]

like I really g2g now my post is 1/2 done

[Human Destroyer]

What makes NS scum to you?