Micro 759: Tarot uPick III - Game Over!

[nancy]

K gr8 good talk team.

[Not Known 15]

Hmmm
Dunker
They were jailkept and no kill happened(although Key has reasons to believe there were other reasons),the reasons north already mentioned, and such a strange vote pattern at end of day that looks like a bus

North
For the reasons from last day, their refusal to claim anything, not even having visited me

Porkens
Their posts irritate me, and contain fluff today. Plus, prior reasoning

Acid
They claimed a neighbourizing Jaikeeper, not quite what I thought it would be; but a powerful role(we know jailkeep succeeded because Dunker was neighbourized) you can't easily fakeclaim, so they could be town or scum with this role, but a massclaim could help us here: to see if it is unlikely that town has that power.

Rest has not really changed.

While you're at it, why did you counterclaim acid? Neighborizer isn't remotely a counterclaimable role so what made you think your role couldn't exist with his? And why'd you drop it so immediately when Varsoon jumped down your throat?

I thought Acid was softing some sort of dead-neighbourizer(I got that they had a catch in their role as neighbourizer, and they expressly told something about protecting, not neighbourizing; I thought that it might be it. On second thought it was dumb but I had to play along then and that Varsoon jumped down my throat and gave me reasoning was the perfect excuse to let it down AND to indicate a much more powerful role than I really had(to scum, to catch a Night kill).

[nancy]

Eh, I can see the advantage of a massclaim to figure out if there was something else that could've blocked the kill I guess.

thinking face

[nancy]

Everyone should pop in wolfily to give their take on NK15's claim.

[Yetichain]

Oh I'm so glad to oblige. I think I buy it; I don't think there's scum there. However I don't understand how the crumb makes sense with the role, and I'd prefer it to be explained in full.

you should say more things and so on

oops i meant to say that in the scum pt

Yes dead partners are soooo quiet aren't they?

Ok.
There is one more thing I want to talk about before I claim...
Should we do a massclaim or not?
We already have an outed power role(Acid the neighbourizing jailkeeper); but what is more interesting is that the one who didnt want claims was Jarbakas, and Jarbakas was scum.
A related question is how we'd do it(I prefer popcorn)
and another related question is how we claim our card(s), especially the most important card(e.g. Tower) that is supposed to be unique.
The claim would definitely start with me claiming my role.
We could seperate the card claim from it, because reasons(you'll have to decide if you want to popcorn for cards or the rest; also we have more motivation to go for).
What do you all say?
I support a massclaim now.

I'm also going to disagree with the massclaim. Not yet, as much as I want to figure out night actions. Also can you explain what you're talking about with the cards? They're NAI because we picked them before the alignment roll, and Jabarkas was the Tower if I'm understanding correctly.

Ok...
Only claiming my card(s) on further request:

I am a
1.self-sensing ascetic. I know what is intended to hit me at night, and last night no one visited. Sadly, no one fell for the trap and claimed visiting me.
2.Dead-Neighbourizer. If you look back at my ISO when I was about to be hammered I made some posts related to that (1. Dunker 2.No contribution=sus)
Dead-Neighbourizer means that I neighbourize someone upon my own death.

Why do you think massclaim helps town here?

Because Jarbakas( who was scum) didn't want a massclaim, and I think that indicates that scum have to lose something to a massclaim. Whether it is info or sth else, dunno.

I'm kind of interested in your cards but I don't think it will help at all because I don't know if I could sniff out a fakeclaim by knowing your picks. It's more just a personal curiosity.


-Key

[Yetichain]

However I don't understand how the crumb makes sense with the role, and I'd prefer it to be explained in full.

nevermind I should use my brain more than once every second Tuesday I figured it out

[nancy]

[Not Known 15]

Also can you explain what you're talking about with the cards? They're NAI because we picked them before the alignment roll, and Jabarkas was the Tower if I'm understanding correctly.

Yeah they are mostly NAI.
However, there are reasons why they can be important:
Your abilities are mainly based on your three cards, with extra importance for your main card.
Your main card is

unique

.
If someone wants to fakeclaim, they need to have decent role claims that fit the cards they provide. They can ofcourse just claim the right cards and their true role but that could be dangerous in itself(e.g. Ninja Revenant)
On the other hand, if someone suspicious makes a fake main card claim and someone else has that one as the main card we get a reliable CC and that should be the end for scum.

[Yetichain]

I think it wouldn't be too hard to make a fakeclaim even tangentially based on your Significator enough to look legit, versus the risk of claiming a Significator that isn't yours.


nancy's asked me to explain my read change on Porkens.

So I don't remember how much I said but very early on I had a scumread on Porkens because he

lost his reading on me

seemed to just be spinning his wheels and being social more than scumhunting. No forward thrust.

I'm rereading now and for the most part... ugh. I really don't know, I could go either way. It's just little things, and little things are enough to erode a wavering read. 894's appeal to North comes across weird to me. 1022 bothers me just because I was saying the thing more as a "whoa acid buddy that's not necessarily a guilty you have there" and was not intending to elaborate.

1032 rubbed me the wrong way which I now realise is silly given that I've been saying a very similar thing about my play but more to the point I think it's odd because he got pretty townread across the board iirc?

Bad reasons but I can't shake it. I'm also up... considerably later than is wise so I may go further into this later.


In the meantime I do agree with the North read - I think that choosing quotes from when she was in gamesolving mode is possibly cherrypicking a wee bit like she said, particularly knowing the context of one of them, but otherwise yeah.

VOTE: northsidegal


-Key

[garaputo]

I am not in favor of a massclaim. I think if there is concern about sorting my role and nk15's, just lynch both of us and see where that ends up. I think that outcome is better than outing investigative roles in this situation.

[drealmerz7]

wolfy pop-in

[Dunkerdoodles]

wolfy pop-in

[Porkens]

It's crap.

[Porkens]

And your reaction takes me into weird feelings, n.

[northsidegal]

i thought a little bit about how to solve the game. outside of just reguar poe, it would require that everyone believes that garaputo is town.

North
For the reasons from last day, their refusal to claim anything, not even having visited me

why is refusing to claim anything a scumread?


also, in a little bit of a twist, i'd be in favor of a massclaim.

[garaputo]

i thought a little bit about how to solve the game. outside of just reguar poe, it would require that everyone believes that garaputo is town.

North
For the reasons from last day, their refusal to claim anything, not even having visited me

why is refusing to claim anything a scumread?


also, in a little bit of a twist, i'd be in favor of a massclaim.

I'm all for solving the game, and can easily be convinced I'm town. Tell me more.

[northsidegal]

I'm all for solving the game, and can easily be convinced I'm town. Tell me more.

there's only one scum left and you're a jailkeeper. if there are even a few people that everyone can agree is town then the game can quite easily be poed through lynches and jailkeeping, perhaps made even easier by people's roles.

[garaputo]

I'll wait, but there is at least one problem with that plan that you may not know about.

[Yetichain]

Pretty sure the problem is already clear.

VOTE: dunkerdoodles

hardclaim

xshot

neighborizing jailkeeper

jk'd dunker

(bolding mine)


North your lack of reaction to my vote makes me sad. Your 1289 also seems like you're trying to mimic your towngame more than you're trying to

play

, if that makes sense.


-Key

[garaputo]

Yes, without specifying for X, I am willing to say it's not sufficient to run nsg's plan until end of the game.

[garaputo]

I am guessing the lower than average frequency of posts here are due to holidays? I'm going to be picking up houseguests and attending family functions for the next couple days but plan to check in to the thread multiple times per day anyways. Still compared to my normal participation these next few days should be less.

[Not Known 15]

Indeed. That is the problem right now.

Dunker was jailkept and no kill happened.
Their vote could be a bus quite easily.
And they are not well readable for me; but they are usually antitown even as town.

VOTE: Dunker

[Dunkerdoodles]

Indeed. That is the problem right now.

Dunker was jailkept and no kill happened.
Their vote could be a bus quite easily.
And they are not well readable for me; but they are usually antitown even as town.

VOTE: Dunker

yeah let me just put my partner at L-1 and encourage him to be hammered that's a great plan

[northsidegal]

dunk, could you say what you were talking about in 494?

[northsidegal]

North your lack of reaction to my vote makes me sad. Your 1289 also seems like you're trying to mimic your towngame more than you're trying to play, if that makes sense.

well, most of your post wan't even talking about me. what is it about the case on me that you agree with? i'll admit that being reminded of 1828 made me think that the same plan might work here – the reason i'm thinking back to it is because i think it could actually work here.