Open 728: Sharing is Caring (GAME OVER)

[Something_Smart]

For all of it? Gonna be brief for each one, but sure.

HitAlt seems genuine. Playing in an aggressive and self-confident manner that most people don't take as scum, especially if they're hiding behind an alt to escape meta tells.
The worst softed PR. Wasn't gonna bring it up but somebody else already did. Makes sense both as a real PR and as a VT trying to draw the kill.
Ruru I know I've explained before. Barring meta of her scumgame being similar, she has a very stream-of-consciousy and spontaneous playstyle that is way more often than not town genuinely figuring things out.
BlackStar has recently shown what I interpret as real solving effort. 1149 and 1200 in particular seemed very much like town who actually is trying to figure out what to do rather than scum pushing an agenda.
I don't have extensive experience, but you (Zoronos) seem like the type to play a very mechanical and formulaic scumgame similar to how mine sometimes is, but I haven't seen much that feels mechanical or fake and your thought processes seem about as comprehensible and as natural as they were in the last game.

jjh... I shouldn't have to explain.

Mathdino is tough to read without flips but as the game goes on his ulterior motives, if any, usually become more apparent.
Davesaz has been lynchbait in almost every game I've played with him. Best sorted with flips and also possibly with the help of PR's.
Northsidegal can be apparently soulread by Mathdino, given enough time. Definitely worth giving him the time to do that.

Taking the playerlist and subtracting the people above leaves pintu, HWS, and ofrhz. A group on which I haven't had any feelings strong enough to put them in one of the above categories.

[Something_Smart]

I have not totally read past the jjh claim but this day phase is fucking hilarious

Also is this just something he does as scum

Pretty sure as scum he would try to draw out an actually useful PR.

It's moot though, since if he is counterclaimed it obviously makes him scum because no scum would ever sacrifice themself to CC that.

[the worst]

cool ez

[Zoronos]

Taking the playerlist and subtracting the people above leaves pintu, HWS, and ofrhz. A group on which I haven't had any feelings strong enough to put them in one of the above categories.

I have a town feeling on ofhrz though I guess that could be wrong but I like it.
I have a town lean on HWS.

So, where does that leave us?

[the worst]

lynch A50?

I still want jjh or hit

[Something_Smart]

Taking the playerlist and subtracting the people above leaves pintu, HWS, and ofrhz. A group on which I haven't had any feelings strong enough to put them in one of the above categories.

I have a town feeling on ofhrz though I guess that could be wrong but I like it.
I have a town lean on HWS.

So, where does that leave us?

Ostensibly, with pintu.

That's probably not a good idea though. Someone with meta on him would be extremely helpful; 1273 does look pretty genuine but I think I got the impression from somewhere that he's good at imitating genuineness as scum.

Given a compelling argument, it is possible that any of my townreads could reverse. Also, I might not completely oppose a davesaz lynch, though without a strong case it would probably boil down to a policy lynch on a hard-to-read player, which would be quite rude.

What is it that makes you think HWS is town? Of the three major wagons, he's gotten the least attention.

[Zoronos]

lynch A50?

I still want jjh or hit

You think JJH is lying about his claim?
I mean, we can talk about Hit if you want.

[the worst]

Honestly yeah. If he is actually JK I'm fucking lolling at how bad this day is.

Hit is probably scum. He's pushing me for terrible reasons even though it's obvious I'm not getting lynched........his response to this is tunnelling me and largely ignoring the rest of the gamestate. This is scum pushing.

[Something_Smart]

Why is scum more likely to carry out a largely ineffective and attention-drawing push than town is?

[the worst]

Why is scum more likely to carry out a largely ineffective and attention-drawing push than town is?

are you reading my posts tho?
this kinda tactic is meant to draw questions like this. the whole things a smokescreen.

[HitAlt]

The worst softed PR. Wasn't gonna bring it up but somebody else already did. Makes sense both as a real PR and as a VT trying to draw the kill.

Except softing cop/vig in this setup, D1 nontheless, makes very little sense.
And since he doesn't CC the JK..?

[HitAlt]

If I were scum this game, I would've pushed myself in a corner already.
Instead of just, you know, lynching the slot I felt had potential for being a PR.
And had jjht not been forced to claim, scum wouldn't have had a reason to NK him either. But apparently the role has already been deemed worthless, so no harm done then?

[HitAlt]

Hit is probably scum.

Meant to quote this too.
Especially with jjht claiming JK, I shouldn't be at the top of anyones scumlist for now.

[HitAlt]

TW is scum with one of NSG/Zoro, and possibly pinochhio.
Their posting has been sub-par recently.
Can we just lynch TW today and get on with it?
Pinocchio tomorrow if I still feel like it.

[the worst]

yeah no we're not lynching me
e v e r

[Zoronos]

HitAlt: why should I vote The Worst?

[ruru]

The worst softed PR. Wasn't gonna bring it up but somebody else already did. Makes sense both as a real PR and as a VT trying to draw the kill.

Except softing cop/vig in this setup, D1 nontheless, makes very little sense.
And since he doesn't CC the JK..?

He softed before the jk claim though, so vt trying to draw the nk or cop/vig double bluffing is still possible

His other motivation would have to be that he really wants jjh to claim for one reason or another and is willing to soft PR (and likely tanks a lynch later if he's VT) just to achieve that. I think this points to either a) he

really

really thought jjh is scum, which seems unlikely given how uneventful d1 has been or b) he's scum, especially doctor, as doctor benefits more than the other scums from getting read as PR in this setup

Anyway I would contribute to a tw lynch assuming jjh is town

[ruru]

Also worth mentioning if jjh is scum he just quickhammers anyone here

Scum would already know HWS is JK so they don't lose any information by quickhammering

Let's not put anyone except jjh anywhere near hammer until HWS tells us jjh's alignment

[davesaz]

Unless you're willing to accept a NL, we're in deadline range of not fooling around any more.

[ruru]

[davesaz]

Let's not put anyone except jjh anywhere near hammer until HWS tells us jjh's alignment

And if HWS just doesn't post for the next 24 hours, then what?
My comment was serious.

[HeWhoSwims]

Huh what have I done now again

I scumread JJH and I'd lych there

[HeWhoSwims]

I have to catch up though

[HeWhoSwims]

yeah nah HitAlt lacks an ounce of nuance. this is clearly a fake tunnel.

That actually means it's probably a real tunnel.

I agree with this.

I mean I don't think Dave is really in any danger here which is why the questioning would be more townie to me. Don't think he did it as scum where he wasn't in danger either. As for commenting I see (enough, I think) of him questioning people on their motives and just leaving his opinions and reads on stuff, which obviously is a given... but it seems to me as though he's doing less accusing and more evaluating this game and that seems town to me. Hope that's what you wanted to know?

That is exactly what I wanted to know. I don’t think I agree with your conclusions, but that type of answer is what I was looking for.

The notion that Dave isn’t in any danger here is precisely why I’m concerned about the type of questioning involved; it looked to me like make work designed to blend in without going anywhere. Neither he nor ruru were under any serious pressure, so he did something that might look like legitimate scum hunting, came to a town read, and moved on. In a vacuum those things are fine, but the questions felt a little facil and the angst a tad oversold.

Anyway, I appreciate the meta perspective. That’s useful, even if I’m not a big believer in the value of meta.

I am or moreso was also not a big fan of meta, but eh. I figured it's worth a try. I don't think dave was really in danger that game until like, halfway Day 3? But I didn't reread the entire game, only his ISO and some stuff surrounding that.

Hey does anyone remember that game I just modded

That was lost because town didn't fucking vote, even in lylo

Stop not voting holy shit its so tilting to see 3 days on the deadline and people actively not using their vote for shit

We did vote in that game. We lost because hewhoswims wasn't there to break the tie at the end

Stoooop stoppp I still wake up screaming because of this okay

Zero and ofrhz please have another read of my ISO.

jjh and HitAlt are scum.
I am not getting lynched today. Literally in any scenario.

Duck... I love playing with you but lynching you is tempting. Why is hitalt scum?

I'm the jailkeeper and this would have been a lot less messy if you'd have helped wagon the worst imo

Are you sure?

[HeWhoSwims]

I am the jailkeeper... Harclaim, counterclaim, whatever.

Honestly catching scum > exercising my JK ability... If I die it's +1 shot for cop/vig and if scum protects me it's -1 shot for them.