Phables: Death Note Mafia (Game Over)

[Benmage]

@Gorrad
You already stated suspicions towards Lamont when you first read. But a lot later, you decided to vote him based upon these reasons. Why the wait?

Zaz, dont you think it would be more effective to just concentrate on one person for today? I hate to say it but you're spamming posts in all directions...Tajo has a point with how we need to concentrate more. I know I said I wouldnt post till Thursday but at this rate we'll be at page 65 by then.

Yeah…buddy is spamming

I am perfectly content to continue to push for your lynch until either you die or I do, and if it's me, I fully expect that others will step up to press the attack as well.

You seem adamant. I forget entirely all the points you made against me, because hey…its hell trying to catchup in this game and a lot of skimming is forced. He wants to rehear the case, and I’d like to too…I think you restating it would be the best way to get some fresh insight on the case(and may lead to further LC votes)

Votecount
mykonian - 6 (LlamaFluff,

cateraction

, Spolium, ortolan, Kise, populartajo)
Lamont_Cranston - 5 (magnus_orion, Kairyuu, Albert B. Rampage, Gorrad, MrBuddyLee)
ZEEnon - 5 (WeyounsLastClone, PhilyEc, mykonian, Stephoscope, Lamont_Cranston)
Gorrad - 2 (Kmd4390, Starbuck)
zwetschenwasser - 1 (Benmage)
magnus_orion - 1 (

ZazieR

)
Jebus - 1 (zwetschenwasser)
Not voting: Jebus,

semioldguy

, Seraphim, ZEEnon

Higuchi, how have you been killing?

With 25 alive, it's 13 to lynch.

[Benmage]

@Benmage: Lamont obviously has a good deal more time to devote to the game than I do. Besides, if he wants to find

my

case against him he simply needs to view my posts in isolation. I don't have many, and my case is clearly presented in them. It's not that hard.

Bah saw this after posting, I guess i'll look at you in iso, thanks.

[ZazieR]

Also, this

Benmage, this^^

[Benmage]

vote: Lamont

Reason(s)?

Asked this ages ago.

[Benmage]

Also, this

Benmage, this^^

WHat?? I saw it... you quote a post of mine asking the masses if bolding it made me look scummy, i comically answered it? wtf do you want..

unless your referring to the lurker lynch idea which null, i'm for it, you aren't.

[ZazieR]

@Benmage
You didn't believe Zwet's claim, and you voted Zwet after ABR posted this which you even quoted in your post in which you vote Zwet:

Vote: Zwet

No surprises here. I think we will be doing the scum a huge disfavor by lynching zwet no matter what his alignment.

Yet, Zwet has now given some answers regarding his claim, and it has been pointed out that the claim fits the flavour.
So what do you think of his claim now?
And can you explain why ABR's post resulted in your vote? (if it didn't, what did?)

I still disbelieve the claim, because I don’t see the logic behind making the initial claim. It was unnecessary imo.

Although I don’t share the same animosity against zwet that ABR does, zwet isn’t exactly the best player in my book(and I know I can’t say much with my minimal input into this game, but this is how I feel)

So yeah, those two reasons are why I voted.

Does the bolded make him more likely to be scum? If so, why?

Here''s the whole post.
Now answer.

[Gorrad]

@Gorrad
You already stated suspicions towards Lamont when you first read. But a lot later, you decided to vote him based upon these reasons. Why the wait?

I was hoping to get more read or summarized in that time. I didn't know what had gone on for the last 20 pages, so I didn't know if there was a better target. When it was clear that no summarizing would be done and I had no time for the last 20, and it was clear he hadn't claimed or been cleared (when people started voting for him again. I thought he might have been when I saw that the scummiest player had so few votes on page 36), I moved my vote over.

[Benmage]

@Benmage
You didn't believe Zwet's claim, and you voted Zwet after ABR posted this which you even quoted in your post in which you vote Zwet:

Vote: Zwet

No surprises here. I think we will be doing the scum a huge disfavor by lynching zwet no matter what his alignment.

Yet, Zwet has now given some answers regarding his claim, and it has been pointed out that the claim fits the flavour.
So what do you think of his claim now?
And can you explain why ABR's post resulted in your vote? (if it didn't, what did?)

I still disbelieve the claim, because I don’t see the logic behind making the initial claim. It was unnecessary imo.

Although I don’t share the same animosity against zwet that ABR does, zwet isn’t exactly the best player in my book(and I know I can’t say much with my minimal input into this game, but this is how I feel)

So yeah, those two reasons are why I voted.

Does the bolded make him more likely to be scum? If so, why?

Here''s the whole post.
Now answer.

I think there is a miscommunication here, are you asking if i'm scummy or zwet?

[ZazieR]

I''m asking you why the bolded makes Zwet more likely to be scum.

[Benmage]

Ah misread...but no bolding it doesn't do shit to whats already been said in the post. The original post itself gave enough cause for suspicion to suspect something, give direction and allow for a vote. Your odd bolding does nothing.

[ZazieR]

Also, I'm not sure ZazieR ever explained what the reference to Open 145 in Post 131 was in aid of. ZazieR what was your reason for voting for zEEnon around that time, I never quite understood?

I did:

-No Mastin vote, while he did vote him in Open 145. His reason was that Mastin didn't joke in this game about his claim, while he did so in the other game. However, looking at his first post in this game, he clearly joked about being scum. Yet, no vote.

[ZazieR]

Ah misread...but no bolding it doesn't do shit to whats already been said in the post. The original post itself gave enough cause for suspicion to suspect something, give direction and allow for a vote. Your odd bolding does nothing.

I don''t understand this post

[Benmage]

Ah misread...but no bolding it doesn't do shit to whats already been said in the post. The original post itself gave enough cause for suspicion to suspect something, give direction and allow for a vote. Your odd bolding does nothing.

I don''t understand this post

You bolding what I already stated doesn't add to zwet being scummy.

[ZazieR]

Ah misread...but no bolding it doesn't do shit to whats already been said in the post. The original post itself gave enough cause for suspicion to suspect something, give direction and allow for a vote. Your odd bolding does nothing.

I don''t understand this post

You bolding what I already stated doesn't add to zwet being scummy.

I''m reading here that the bolded wasn''t what made him scummy. So what did?

[Benmage]

My impression of what you are asking was that bolding what i said somehow made him more scummy than what i originally felt.

Assume 1-10 10 being scummiest i view him an 8, you're asking if bolding it were to say raise his scummyness to a 9 or a 10, i'm saying no..the bold does nothing his scum remains an 8 (all the numbers are arbitrary.)

[ZazieR]

My impression of what you are asking was that bolding what i said somehow made him more scummy than what i originally felt.

Assume 1-10 10 being scummiest i view him an 8, you're asking if bolding it were to say raise his scummyness to a 9 or a 10, i'm saying no..the bold does nothing his scum remains an 8 (all the numbers are arbitrary.)

Are you now saying that you disbelieving his claim didn''t increase your suspicions of him

[Benmage]

My impression of what you are asking was that bolding what i said somehow made him more scummy than what i originally felt.

Assume 1-10 10 being scummiest i view him an 8, you're asking if bolding it were to say raise his scummyness to a 9 or a 10, i'm saying no..the bold does nothing his scum remains an 8 (all the numbers are arbitrary.)

Are you now saying that you disbelieving his claim didn''t increase your suspicions of him

I already had these feelings when I voted him, I just voiced or reiterated them later in my post. You bolding it doesn't make or increase the scumminess.

[LlamaFluff]

LC and his conspiracy theory is funny, and scummy... scunny. Tajo looks townie, all the Z's are still townie. Something about ben is bugging me, will try and look at that when im not already still on MS fifteen minutes after lunch ended.

[Kmd4390]

I'll read these 4 pages when I get a chance.

Still think Gorrad, Spolium, Benmage, and Phily are scum.

Still think ABR, Zwet, and Lamont are town.

[magnus_orion]

You know, what really pisses me off about being asked to make the case concise was that it already was concise, and then lamont decided to cherry pick points and respond to them, ignoring the whole rest of the case.

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Llama:

Btw, on Zee, you never spoke to this:

Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.
They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.

^^Why you forgot him

Unless you really can put more backing that he belived that he was what he claimed, and played as such, this isnt scummy. If anything this is more of an IIOA post. LC is misinterpreting it pretty badly. To me this is the same as saying 'zwet claims to be that guys wife'.

If he said "Mastin claims to be shin and I believe it", we would be having a different discussion. I do not see anything that suggests this though.

ORLY? And what of his statement "I see what you're doing and I trust your judgement even though I disagree with it"? Doesn't this mean he sees that Mastin is Shinigami? Seems pretty clear to me.

[PhilyEc]

I'll read these 4 pages when I get a chance.

Still think Gorrad, Spolium, Benmage, and Phily are scum.

Still think ABR, Zwet, and Lamont are town.

You havent even questioned me once on anything dodgy, no one has. Know why? Because I've done nothing scummy. Stop name dropping and give me a case you can think up quickly on me.

[LlamaFluff]

@LC - iso 14, already did it

[Lamont_Cranston]

@LC - iso 14, already did it

Not to me. I dont understand what he means here, and zee is the only one who does unless he explained that somewhere I missed. My first thought when mastin claimed that was he was joking, and when he kept it up I started to wonder if he was setting a trap with inside knowledge (IIRC, L knew about shin somewhat in anime).

I don't understand this, can you please explain?

[Kise]

In fact, like ABR, I'm going to say Gorrad wouldn't be that stupid as scum.

But you thought Mastin was that stupid as scum?

@Zazilicious - I figured that if Mastin was town in 145, then that would justify ZEE not voting for him here. But, since Mastin was scum in 145, it doesn't. Also, another good reason why it was suggested that we only look at the wagons to determine who we should majority-lynch is because then we can enter the night phase, and at least that way people who need to catch up can do so without you... I mean, erm.. you AND others posting up a storm and making it hard for them.