Open 474 - Friends and Enemies - Game Over!

KX · Post Post #1350 (ISO) » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:12 am

*though if bork isn't scum, HD, while isn't cleaned, becomes quite a bit less likely in my mind. However, I think if one of the two were to be lynched, it should be HD first. If HD isn't scum, I think bork would become they only person in the game I wouldn't lynch.

ISO · Post Post #1351 (ISO) » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:22 am

On reading your HD case I think the thing you're perturbed about is that HD was pointing out my predecessor's playstyle tells, while also calling you out for pointing out your own playstyle. Do you realize that those are not analogous situations?

I agree that the defense of Venrob in and of itself was fairly flimsy, but that was also quite early in the game. I also don't really take issue with the quote block you brought up comparing my slot and Josh; I'm actually struggling to see the point you're trying to make with it.

Jennifer · Post Post #1352 (ISO) » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:42 am

In post 1348, borkjerfkin wrote:I hate this sort of VCA:

1) it's cherry picked to support your point.
2) you're using yourself, an unflipped entity, as conftown in it.
3) you're suggesting that leaving a stalled wagon in favor of another is some kind of scumtell.

p-edit: @AA: seriously please read my posts jesus.

I totally get that I'm not conf town except to scum, but regardless, I am conf town to myself and that definitely impacts my vote, just as knowing your alignment impacts your own. I'm just explaining where my head is at.

@KX It's useless WIFOM to get into a debate about why scum wouldn't likely vote as a block. Is it possible? Yes, of course. Is it likely? No, not in my opinion. The typical scenario I would expect to see would be bussing or separate wagons. Also, our reads are exact opposites right now. HD and Bork are the two people that I would not be willing to lynch today.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #1353 (ISO) » Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:19 am

Okay, this game next.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #1354 (ISO) » Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:19 am

Jenn, could you redo your votecount coloring today to add Hydra-town?

I want to do some more wagon analysis but too lazy to do the actual votecount coloring myself.

Jennifer · Post Post #1355 (ISO) » Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:48 am

Updated

Spoiler:

UNOFFICIAL COUNT FOR DAY FOUR
Human Destroyer (L-2): ArcAngel9, KX
KX (L-3): Jennifer
Jacob (L-3): borkjerfkin

Human Destroyer · Post Post #1356 (ISO) » Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:49 am

Thanks! ^_^

KX · Post Post #1357 (ISO) » Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:03 pm

>Calls it useless WIFOM
>Seems to have it as their main reason for me being scum
???

@HD, any explanations you can provide on what I'm pointing out?

@Bork, my point is really about the difference in how HD reacts to venrob compared to others. His covering for them seems abnormal, and if you add to that GM's voting trends, I think it's something. Also on HD, perhaps it's confirmation bias, but every time I look over his posts I see more and more reasons for him to be scum.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #1358 (ISO) » Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:12 pm

In post 1341, KX wrote:A little something about Human Destroyer:

Though I found him pretty town early on, I think I'm going to have to say scum at this point. This may be pretty bad reasoning, but it really seems to me like he should be playing better then this. On an additional note, check out #149:
The difference is Venrob did something that scum really can't afford to do; misrep their own play. Josh Lyman, on the other hand, has singlehandedly managed to avoid absolutely everything in the entire thread.

In fact, he's ignored my own vote on him, while Venrob has not ignored the votes on him.
If you want to know what it's in response to, check the post. Anyway, the first defense is total OMGUS, and I think that somebody like HD wouldn't be using it as a defense. But moving on, it seems pretty strange to me for HD to be defending him like that, considering it's really his only defense up to that point. Early on, he once again covers for venrob by saying he's probably a nube town, in #75.

What? So I'm scummy for defending someone and for playing badly?

In post 1341, KX wrote:He then talks about how he finds Josh to be scum, since he avoided everything in the thread aside from me. Well, guess what? So did venrob, who did nothing but respond to thing people said to him. That was it. And yet he defend venrob. Not that much alone, but check out #102:
KX, please stop talking about your own playstyle and scumhunt instead, thanks.
This is how he reacts to me doing the same, exact I was a little more active and did a little do one small reads thing iirc.

Different situation; you were commenting on your own playstyle and doing strictly that. It's also because I know you better than the other players and know you do that (too) often. In addition, your reads came after that post, so you can't even use that against me.

Also, Venrob was being responsive, whereas Josh Lyman wasn't.

In post 1341, KX wrote:A couple more things I'd like to add. These have to do more with Goodmorning.
First, in RVS, their vote was on HD. Not saying it makes him scum, and it's something that could go either way, but it is something.
Now, check this out. Their second vote in the game? venrob. Wouldn't it be insane if a scum were to vote both their partners? And keep in mind GM was looking pretty town, so if they both flipped, that'd be great for her, and probably might make them win it all. Also, in GM's scum reads list, they have ven as the scummiest player. It seems like they realised ven wasn't playing top quality, and were planning to buss them for even more town cred. My overall feel on GM as scum, then, would be that they tried to appear town and distance from their partners.

Empty bussing accusations are empty.

So you've called me scum based on pretty much nothing. Congratulations?

KX · Post Post #1359 (ISO) » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:09 pm

How is opinions that something you've done is extremely out of character nothing? Let's face it, of our three lynches, one has been scum, and two have been village. You have been a large part of both the village lynches, and the only mafia lynch was led by the same person who said you were scum. You were voting on the near lynches of both masons before they claimed, which means we almost had an additional two town lynches you were on. You also seemed to have gone after Josh quite a lot, and since we can assume they're town, that's another one for the list. While it can be correctly argued that they all did seem scummy at the time and given the context (with the exception of the serra lynch), and other people went on these lynches as well, particularly of you it seems extremely odd to me. Most of it is just saying how things work out if your scum, or how I believe them to, since based mainly upon opinion (there's no one thing I can point to that proves it), I'm adamant you're scum.

So in a way, I suppose I am calling you scum based on pretty much nothing. Thanks!

Jennifer · Post Post #1360 (ISO) » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:41 pm

@KX what makes you suspect Bork as HD's partner? And what makes you think Bork isn't scum if HD isn't?

KX · Post Post #1361 (ISO) » Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:19 pm

What the actual fuck Jenn? Are you even reading the thread?

Also, @HD, what are you scum reads now anyway?

ISO · Post Post #1362 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:15 am

So is Jacob gonna lurk his way out of a lynch for like the 4th straight day?

Jennifer · Post Post #1363 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2013 4:07 am

@KX I have.. perhaps more than you. Why are your arguments on HD/Bork only from Day 1 and only involving Venrob? Have you seen any interaction between HD and Bork himself that make you think they are either both scum or both town? (If so, what) Do you think that Bork himself has been scummy? (If so, what) Also, HD lynch isn't going to happen. Willing to vote Jacob?

@Mod May we get a prod on Jacob please?

KX · Post Post #1364 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:32 am

Jennifer, you know that bork was venrob's sub, right? As for things between HD and bork, I think I said this already, but HD mentions bork in literally one post, which is understandable considering bork hasn't drawn much attention to himself, but once again, considering HD, seems a little abnormal. As for bork, the insistence on HD being village is something, but once again explainable. However, neither do anything to dissuade me from the connection. I would be willing to lynch Jacob, however, if they go town, get HD.

Also, on a closing note, inb4 the scum are the inactives.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #1365 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:35 am

In post 1361, KX wrote:Also, @HD, what are you scum reads now anyway?

Quiet you I'm VC analyzing

KX · Post Post #1366 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:50 am

Oh that's right, we lynched them all/they turned out to be masons.

(exception: see one Jacob)

ISO · Post Post #1367 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:51 am

KX I might run an MLP game in the near future, fyi.

KX · Post Post #1368 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:09 am

Oh cool, if I have the time, I'll definitely sign up! PM me when/if it starts?

Also, for something relevant, is everybody forgetting how Docteur asked us the lynch HD, in addition to Panzer? Also, Jenn, what do you mean when you keep saying an HD lynch isn't happenng? Me, AA9, and Nic all support it, and considering Jacob is the alternative lynch, he probably will as well. That's four players right there, making it, I think, a real possibility.

Jennifer · Post Post #1369 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:39 am

Nic and AA9 have been so quiet... and Jacob obviously who has yet to make an appearance. Feels like just the 4 of us are left. I guess you're right about the possibility of a HD lynch. I had forgotten Nic's reads today. But I think it would be a bad lynch.

It seems like you're not the lynch today either.

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VOTE: Jacob

JacobSavage · Post Post #1370 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:09 am

Hi all. its me.

Im a little snowed under currently. Personally I'm going to go with the Hydra's choice and:

VOTE: HD

I had a look though his posts earlier and gave up trying to make any meaning of them there was so many. Try again tomorrow it seems.

ArcAngel9 · Post Post #1371 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:36 pm

In post 1369, Jennifer wrote:Nic and AA9 have been so quiet... and Jacob obviously who has yet to make an appearance. Feels like just the 4 of us are left. I guess you're right about the possibility of a HD lynch. I had forgotten Nic's reads today. But I think it would be a bad lynch.

It seems like you're not the lynch today either.

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VOTE: Jacob

I have nothing to say anymore, We already said so much... my mind just throwing empty thougts for now
I don't think Jacob is scum, HD pushed for DOC lynch and for Cheery's too. So, this moment i suspect HD more.

ISO · Post Post #1372 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:24 pm

In post 1370, JacobSavage wrote:Hi all. its me.

Im a little snowed under currently. Personally I'm going to go with the Hydra's choice and:

VOTE: HD

I had a look though his posts earlier and gave up trying to make any meaning of them there was so many. Try again tomorrow it seems.

Taking mcqueen's avatar is not going to make people want to lynch you less.

NicCage · Post Post #1373 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2013 5:25 pm

Yeah sorry, it's spring break so I've been seeing people I don't usually get to see/lazy time.
I absolutely will not vote KX today. I reread him and he still seems town to me. Seems like Jacob is getting attention as a compromise vote, though I'm not interested until we get a little more information or until I get off my ass and read a little more.

In post 1342, borkjerfkin wrote:
In post 1340, NicCage wrote:I think it's out of bork, HD, and Jacob. It's probably not bork though, I just can't rule him out. KX has seemed weird lately, but I expect him to come back and redeem himself.

Why Jennifer bork?

Pure PoE -- I have a strong townread on AA and medium townread on HD. I don't think it's KX based on interactions with several other people. I don't think it's you.

That leaves Jennifer and Jacob.

What's interesting to me though is that I have a townread on Jennifer, so is there anything about her that strikes you as scummy?

How many mislynches can we have and still win?

KX · Post Post #1374 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:20 pm

We get one more mislynch, after that, it's game.