Mini 1545: Teen Wolf Season 1 Mafia (GAME OVER!!!)

[Quilford]

Also, yeah, we have plenty of time: I'll be caught up fully in two days, giving us a further six to discuss things.

[RachMarie]

i would rather wait, we need more from Quil's slot for me to make a final decision. I feel that slot has been a bit too empty due to Esp

[RachMarie]

Esp spent most of the time focused on Rach is SCUM and he claimed tracker, but did not track every day which kinda suck for info.

Tracker is one of the safer ones for a claim because it can be verfied but it also can be either town or scum.

So yeah I need more from Quil, sorry Iec and Jiffy.

[Majiffy]

I'm not in any sort of rush. I still think it's Iec.

[RachMarie]

Sorry guys n gals going VLA for a few days I will be more LA than V and post as much as I can, but with the sinus infection and getting behind on other things I need to take a short break.

[Quilford]

I'm sure glad I read the thread.

Iecerint's scum, without a doubt.

[Quilford]

- Iecerint seemed too keen for everyone to go along with Anzus' bloodlust for hiplop, especially considering he thought hiplop was town on Day 1 and there are lots of reasons why there could've been no kill. A townie would've been more hesitant.

- Speaking of which, Iecerint seems to contradict himself on how townie he thought hiplop was during Day 1. Compare #330 ("I had a townread on hiplop yesterday") and #549 ("Hiplop was relatively active D1, but nothing particularly townie about him apart from that.")

- Majiffy pointed out Zekrom's scumslip, and pushed it through Day 3.

- The Majiffy / Titus argument during Day 3 doesn't read scum on scum at all.

- orcinus' Cop fakeclaim was so ridiculously bungled that there's absolutely zero chance that it was a gambit with Majiffy. He didn't even co-ordinate with Titus to ensure they would be consistent about the use of investigation language across their claims, there's no chance at all they were trying to fakeclaim on a scumbud to ensure towncred no matter what the flip was.

- Iecerint has been really non-committal on his reads of all the flipped scum. He especially looks like he's awkwardly hanging back from picking a side in the Majiffy/Orc fight during Day 4.

- Yeah, there's no way orcinus was trying to bus Majiffy.

[Quilford]

In summation:

VOTE: Iecerint

for how weak his reads on Zekrom and orcinus were, as well as how much he defended Titus; the contradiction on hiplop I pointed out above; and the fact that there is no way orcinus was bussing Majiffy Day 4.

[Quilford]

I don't think it's likely that Titus scumslipped with the miller claim. Zekrom's VT claim was his very last post in the game, and Titus replaced in when the slot was under pressure. Scum would definitely check for a claim before posting.

This also really reeks. Zekrom implied he was a VT, Titus replaced him and claimed miller. This is a contradiction. Saying 'if Titus were scum, Titus would've checked for Zekrom's claim and then claimed VT to be consistent, therefore Titus is town' makes no sense, because if Titus' slot were town then there would be no reason for it having claimed two different roles in the first place. It's always far more likely when a slot is inconsistent with claims between replacements that the players are scum who didn't check to see what their predecessors claimed rather than the players being town and the role mysteriously changing between replacements.

It's even more damning considering Titus flipped scum.

[Quilford]

(Sidebar: I've started watching the show now that I've replaced in [it's been on my to-do list for ages] and omg omgomg omg

The show is amazing and doesn't get nearly enough credit

[BROseidon]

VC here. Iecerint Prod.

[RachMarie]

There is a show? I thought it was based on the movie that came out in the 80s with Michael J Fox?

Yes, and it is amazing

[Majiffy]

Great lets NL now

[Quilford]

nling is for wimps

[Iecerint]

This also really reeks. Zekrom implied he was a VT, Titus replaced him and claimed miller. This is a contradiction. Saying 'if Titus were scum, Titus would've checked for Zekrom's claim and then claimed VT to be consistent, therefore Titus is town' makes no sense, because if Titus' slot were town then there would be no reason for it having claimed two different roles in the first place. It's always far more likely when a slot is inconsistent with claims between replacements that the players are scum who didn't check to see what their predecessors claimed rather than the players being town and the role mysteriously changing between replacements.

It's even more damning considering Titus flipped scum.

Scum would have looked, seen VT, and claimed VT. Titus didn't.

The first thing I do when I replace in as scum is iso whoever I replaced.

[Iecerint]

- Iecerint seemed too keen for everyone to go along with Anzus' bloodlust for hiplop, especially considering he thought hiplop was town on Day 1 and there are lots of reasons why there could've been no kill. A townie would've been more hesitant.

- Speaking of which, Iecerint seems to contradict himself on how townie he thought hiplop was during Day 1. Compare #330 ("I had a townread on hiplop yesterday") and #549 ("Hiplop was relatively active D1, but nothing particularly townie about him apart from that.")

- Majiffy pointed out Zekrom's scumslip, and pushed it through Day 3.

- The Majiffy / Titus argument during Day 3 doesn't read scum on scum at all.

- orcinus' Cop fakeclaim was so ridiculously bungled that there's absolutely zero chance that it was a gambit with Majiffy. He didn't even co-ordinate with Titus to ensure they would be consistent about the use of investigation language across their claims, there's no chance at all they were trying to fakeclaim on a scumbud to ensure towncred no matter what the flip was.

- Iecerint has been really non-committal on his reads of all the flipped scum. He especially looks like he's awkwardly hanging back from picking a side in the Majiffy/Orc fight during Day 4.

- Yeah, there's no way orcinus was trying to bus Majiffy.

1. I was hesitant until he clearly crumbed that it was based on an investigative result. That's why I didn't follow along until one head clarified that both heads 100% agreed on it. I misread one of the earlier posts at first to think that one head disagreed, which made me think it wasn't a crumb until they clarified. There's no reason I would infer that it was an investigative result on town as scum, anyway.

As for the Hiplop thing, you're reading it out of context. I had a town read on him during D1, but in hindsight after a guilty crumb I thought it was just because he was one of the only active players that phase.

2. Majiffy's scumslip on Zekrom never made any sense. I know Zekrom was scum in hindsight, but it still doesn't make sense to me. This was in fact one of the reasons I thought Majiffy was more likely scum than you, especially after the lag in when Espe visited the site.

3. I don't understand what the target of a faked investigation has to do with whether it's going to have inconsistencies.

4. I wasn't sure about Majiffy/Orc because I'd read Majiffy town all game before that, but I didn't know why OrcScum would choose Majiffy as a target.

It is definitely true that I have a bad read record, though. Majiffy has a good one; your slot is somewhere in-between.

I'm not changing my vote.

[Quilford]

Scum would have looked, seen VT, and claimed VT. Titus didn't.

The first thing I do when I replace in as scum is iso whoever I replaced.

Town wouldn't have claimed two different roles.

Therefore, Titus fucked up.

[Quilford]

"I had a town read on him during D1, but in hindsight after a guilty crumb I thought it was just because he was one of the only active players that phase."

I don't buy it. It's not like you gave hiplop a town pass because he was being active, which you imply in #549, saying "Hiplop was relatively active D1,

but nothing particularly townie about him apart from that.

" You explicitly said in #167 "I got the impression that you were energized by something that had happened in the game,

which I think is a towntell, especially in a game with low activity.

" Then in #272 you say "

Hiplop was like the most content-rich D1 poster IMO.

"

[Quilford]

"Majiffy's scumslip on Zekrom never made any sense."

- Zekrom makes post #320. Then orcinus fakehammers hiplop 40 minutes later.
- 2.5 days go by and Zekrom is prodded.
- He returns to the thread and tries to show that hiplop has been lynched, but he is incorrect as was pointed out in #480.
- By way of explanation for his absence, he says that he thought Day 2 had ended.

If he had actually thought Day 2 had ended, he would've checked to see what hiplop flipped. Then he would've realised that hiplop hadn't actually flipped and the Day was still continuing.

Therefore either he lied about thinking Day 2 had ended or he didn't check to see what hiplop flipped.

I see no reason why town would do either.

[RachMarie]

Ok now I feel good about voting.

VOTE: No Lynch

Up to you Jiffy

[Quilford]

"I don't understand what the target of a faked investigation has to do with whether it's going to have inconsistencies."

That's not really my point.

My point is, basically, does it look like orcinus was faking a guilty on his scumbuddy? I'd argue the really flimsy cop claim makes it very unlikely.

[Quilford]

"I wasn't sure about Majiffy/Orc because I'd read Majiffy town all game before that, but I didn't know why OrcScum would choose Majiffy as a target."

Does it matter? Surely the fact that you'd read Majiffy "town all game" would be enough to not vote Majiffy.

[Quilford]

Very tempted to turn this thread into Quil reacts to Teen Wolf in the interim

[Quilford]

ughhh three episodes away from finishing season one AND I KNOW I SHOULDN'T BUT I WANNA

[Iecerint]

Saying that something "doesn't make sense as town" isn't the same thing as saying it's more likely to come from scum. Some things are just really unlikely regardless of alignment (cf., all the Zekrom stuff).

You're reading some quotes out of context -- for example, 272 ("Hiplop was content-rich") is in response to Mhork saying he doesn't remember Hiplop.

My read on Majiffy is what made me kind of vacillate a little bit, but I thought Majiffy seemed like a dumb enough target for a fake jailkeep that I sided against him.