Open 131 - Nightless Vanilla (Over) before 767

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: Please prod everybody.

[Budja]

Furry is still V/LA and I would prefer not to replace him if possible, I will prod joe and Lowell.

[Furry]

I should be back full access this weekend.

Im just having a bit of a hard time here. How yesterdays votes ended up says joe, but that goes against my gut. Gut points more to lowell, but if he is scum it would of been really easy for scum to win yesterday. SC still looks town given that it matches my inital read, and it would of been easy for him to get a win as scum yesterday.

I need to actually reread joe from yesterday, and anyone else who hinted that they might not vote oj. I think that will be the most telling of who is the partner there. Theory says that if someone town wanted to lynch non-oj partner, it should of happened.

[StrangerCoug]

I still like Lowell if not joe478 as scum, but I'm having a hard time picking. I still don't think it to Lowell's benefit as scum to call out the hasty vote, but I'd like him to do as I asked. My Wiki's not current, but all my completed games should be there.

[Lowell]

SC scum is so obvious it's not even funny. All of a sudden I accuse SC and he's angry and now wants to vote me if not joe.

SC's plan WAS to get joe out today, me tomorrow.
SC's plan NOW is to get me out today, joe tomorrow.

If you look back at the lynches of the past few days, there's no way mastin/joe can be scum. Furry's second vote on oj looks a lot better than SC's 3rd vote, and he also gets points for being on the oj wagon BEFORE oj diverted us to a WC wagon.

[Lowell]

Sorry that was wrong. SC was 2nd on the OJ wagon, not furry... so yeah, that's a point in his favor. Still leaning SC.

[joe478]

Sorry about not posting, I had completely forgoten about this.

I am still skeptical about Lowell but won't place a stupid vote on him (i'm learning )

[joe478]

I just read through the last couple of pages properly and saw that Oj was attacking Furry and Lowell (mainly Furry) and Lowell was attacking Oj so by process of elimination (unless someone was distancing) SC would be scum, but i'm not too sure about that.

[StrangerCoug]

SC scum is so obvious it's not even funny. All of a sudden I accuse SC and he's angry and now wants to vote me if not joe.

SC's plan WAS to get joe out today, me tomorrow.
SC's plan NOW is to get me out today, joe tomorrow.

If you look back at the lynches of the past few days, there's no way mastin/joe can be scum. Furry's second vote on oj looks a lot better than SC's 3rd vote, and he also gets points for being on the oj wagon BEFORE oj diverted us to a WC wagon.

I am not angry at you accusing me. The "plan" of mine that you speak of is entertaining the possibility that joe478 is town, a position you are supporting with the unlikelihood that White Castle attempted to derail one scum wagon to start another. My buying that, which I'm willing to do, means that you have to defend yourself. There is no way in hell I am voting the player I think is towniest, Furry, without a

VERY

good reason. Furry is likewise unwilling to vote me.

I made two requests: meta me as bussing scum (remember that I pretty much drove the Empking wagon) and convince me to vote Furry over you if I should lay off joe478. I'm not going to cry in a corner because you didn't do the first, but if you not doing the second is changing my opinion about you the least bit, it's making you scummier. You can't comply with a reasonable request.

Vote: Lowell

[Lowell]

SC scum is so obvious it's not even funny. All of a sudden I accuse SC and he's angry and now wants to vote me if not joe.

SC's plan WAS to get joe out today, me tomorrow.
SC's plan NOW is to get me out today, joe tomorrow.

If you look back at the lynches of the past few days, there's no way mastin/joe can be scum. Furry's second vote on oj looks a lot better than SC's 3rd vote, and he also gets points for being on the oj wagon BEFORE oj diverted us to a WC wagon.

I am not angry at you accusing me. The "plan" of mine that you speak of is entertaining the possibility that joe478 is town, a position you are supporting with the unlikelihood that White Castle attempted to derail one scum wagon to start another. My buying that, which I'm willing to do, means that you have to defend yourself.

There is no way in hell I am voting the player I think is towniest, Furry, without a

VERY

good reason. Furry is likewise unwilling to vote me.

I made two requests: meta me as bussing scum (remember that I pretty much drove the Empking wagon) and convince me to vote Furry over you if I should lay off joe478. I'm not going to cry in a corner because you didn't do the first, but if you not doing the second is changing my opinion about you the least bit, it's making you scummier. You can't comply with a reasonable request.

Vote: Lowell

THIS

(bolded mine) is exactly the problem. The SC-Furry show is the reason your strategy actually works. I'm willing to entertain the possibility that furry is scum, but joe being scum just isn't very plausible. OJs ready-made case on her scummate proves that in my mind, as does (WIFOM aside) his sloppy votes yesterday.

vote SC

[Lowell]

Eh, bold tag slightly off, I'm trying to highlight the whole sentence.

[Budja]

Votecount

Lowell(1): StrangerCoug
StrangerCoug(1): Lowell

Not Voting: Furry, joe478

With

4

alive it will take

3

to lynch.

[Furry]

I should be all caught up monday with good access and give thoughts then

[joe478]

I will wit to see Furry's thought before I decide my vote.

[StrangerCoug]

THIS

(bolded mine) is exactly the problem. The SC-Furry show is the reason your strategy actually works. I'm willing to entertain the possibility that furry is scum, but joe being scum just isn't very plausible.

OK, joe being scum is implausible. I don't see a reason to pursue him anymore. But as I implied, you're the next one down in my scum list.

If you're willing to entertain the possibility that Furry is scum, then what's your case on him besides not wanting to vote me?

OJs ready-made case on her scummate proves that in my mind, as does (WIFOM aside) his sloppy votes yesterday.

joe478's vote on you yesterday was sloppy too, yet the preceding paragraph in this post is essentially an agreement by you and me that he's town. I've also forgotten if we've ever settled your vote on skitzer (was that ever explained?). The "sloppy votes" bit, therefore, is flawed.

[Lowell]

@SC- My case on him is that he

wasn't

on the early OJ wagon that caused her to panic and turn on her buddy WC. You and Hewitt were, and in fact one of the reasons we lynched hewitt was because he was on the "wrong" wagon (OJ) when we lynched scum (WC). That's pretty much all I see atm.

But again, I think your hesitancy to vote yesterday for OJ is a stronger strike against you, since Furry was very quick to jump on my lead and vote OJ, which I doubt he would do before trying at least to find an opposing wagon.

[StrangerCoug]

I tend to be more cautious toward the end of the game, Lowell. See Mini 630 (I think—I know Dean Harper modded it), where one of the suspicions voiced on me is that I wasn't as aggressive as I used to be. I flipped town.

[Furry]

So votecounts... left everyone as neutral just so its easier to add your own colors, it was enough of a pain to do this without editing others color tags. I did subsitute oj and joe for players as needed.

Lean to voting lowell off this but need to do more work before I vote. Only reason im not voing him already is the last day doesnt quite seem to support a lowell-scum. Running scenarios and stuff tomorrow, time for beer and football now though.


~End D1~

Wall-E

– 6 (Lowell,

skitzer

,

White Castle

,

Jazzmyn

,

Empking

, Furry,

Netlava

)

White Castle

– 3 (

Wall-E

, StrangerCoug,

hewitt

)
Lowell – 1 (joe)
Furry – 1 (

Oj

)

~End D2~

Empking

– 6 (Furry, StrangerCoug,

hewitt,

Lowell,

White Castle

,

skitzer

)

skitzer

– 1 (

Empking

)
joe – 2 (

Oj

,

Netlava

)

hewitt

– 1 (joe)

~End D3~

4-

Netlava: (hewitt,

StrangerCoug, Lowell,

Ojanen

)
2-

skitzer:

(Furry,

Netlava

)
1-

Jazzmyn:

(White Castle)

1- joe: (

skitzer

)
1-

hewitt

: (joe)

~End D4~

skitzer

(5): Furry,

hewitt

, StrangerCoug, Lowell,

Ojanen

joe(1):

skitzer

hewitt

(1): Joe

~End D5~

White Castle(4): Ojanen

, Lowell, Furry, Stranger Coug

~End D6~

hewitt

(4): Furry, Lowell,

Ojanen

, joe478

~End D7~

Ojanen

(3) - Lowell, Furry, StrangerCoug
Lowell(1) - joe478

[Furry]

Ok, here is where I stand.

Yesterday something big must of happened for the us not to of lost. There were two different votes out during the day; oj and lowell. There was a glimer of a possible joe wagon, first from lowell, and second from SC. I have to wonder why there was not a mislynch.

Joe was interested in a lowell lynch.
Lowell and to an extent SC were interested in a joe lynch.

Now, only one of them can be scum.

This also makes the most sense as to why scum didnt win yesterday, the predominant wagons were BOTH on scum. Oj didnt try to do anything to save herself, the lowell wagon had a vote on it. The joe wagon had support but no wheels. Why did she just sit there and not vote?

Now, lets say that lowell is scum. Out of the gate, we get joe voting for him. I spent a whole lot of time the day before preaching about SC and mastin town (leaving Oj and lowell). SC was on a bit more solid ground, but had me as town. This means that chances were scum was getting lynched. What safer position did lowell have then to start a wagon on his partner, while still tapping at a joe lynch (which now he doesnt want??) for the first part of the day.

Worst case scenario, he 'spearheads the oj lynch', and hopes to build town cred off it for the next few days. Best case scenario, SC votes joe, joe gets lynched and scum wins.

This is kind of an Occams Razor thing, but look at the outcomes if lowell is town, they all seem to end on scum wins yesterday. The votecounts also point to lowell in my mind.

Vote Lowell

[joe478]

If lowell is town, SC goes next

Vote Lowell

[Budja]

Final Votecount of Day 8:

Votecount

Lowell(3): StrangerCoug, Furry, joe478
StrangerCoug(1): Lowell

Not Voting:

With

4

alive it will take

3

to lynch.

Lowell,

Vanilla Town

, Lynched Day 7.

[Budja]

Votecount

Not Voting: Furry, StrangerCoug, joe478

With

3

alive it will take

2

to lynch.

[StrangerCoug]

Major HoS: joe478

. You can't just slop votes like that, and you said you wouldn't anymore. Where are your thoughts on Lowell?

[Lowell]

Jesus I'm so obvtown this is insane.

SC is voting me because I'm voting him. That doesn't make him scum. SC and if necessary furry need to go next, preferably in that order. But either way we'll win.

[Budja]

Hush, you are dead