Open 657: JK9++ (Game over)

[Charloux]

So, MDS, what prevents scum from claiming PR's?

[Randomnamechange]

VC 2.1

lane0168 - L-5
Tiger Moth - L-5
ScumDeersAreTasty - L-2 - Creature, lane0168, Charloux
Charloux - L-5
Kop - L-5
MiniDeathStar - L-5
Creature - L-5
Secret Agent Jin - L-5
bangthemafia - L-4 - Kop


Not Voting: MiniDeathStar,Tiger Moth, TwiszTed, Secret Agent Jin, bangthemafia
(expired on 2016-12-06 17:13:00)
will not be prodding over thanksgiving.

[MiniDeathStar]

Two things.

1) Fakeclaiming 1 PR will become immediately obvious via a massclaim, because the number wouldn't add up correctly. We now either have an even number of PRs + SK or an odd number of PRs including a vig. PRs also are generally easier to verify than villagers.
2) Fakeclaiming 2 PRs will result in an abnormally large number of them, and could potentially clear all VT claims if the SK is dead. It would also mean PRs would have to be kept alive to keep the number of suspects as large as possible.

On the other hand, *not* claiming a PR at all could potentially clear all the claimed PRs so it's a gambit. Generally though it's easier to hide amongst the villagers and PRs have to die anyway, so it's better to have no reason to avoid reducing the number of town PRs.

[Secret Agent Jin]

I guess i am a little unsure about what Charl is claiming. He said he is mentally drained if this game so is he a VT that claimed a PR or scum that claimed PR OR a Vengeful that is baiting? I am curious to his actual role and if he is town, scum and if he isnt lynched does he even survives the night? Tune in to the next day phase to see.

VOTE: Charl

[Creature]

I think we shouldn't lynch Charloux.

[Creature]

Even if we can use him to kill one of our scumreads, we still would lose one number, which could cost us the game.

I expect him to be nightkilled if he's town (or scum if there's an SK). If he isn't, we can lynch him in MyLo/LyLo to kill another scum candidate.

[MiniDeathStar]

I'm pretty sure he's a vengeful who's baiting. He basically claimed scum. Whatever he thinks he's doing, I don't approve of it, but I don't want to vote him *now*.

Honestly I'd really like to see other players get more involved. I've already bullied two people into claiming, I'm seriously starting to feel like the bad cop here. I don't like being the bad cop.

[Creature]

Mod

Say we're in a 3p LyLo (2 town 1 scum) and Charloux is lynched but vengekills scum, would scum win because they got 50% of the votes before the vengekill or would town win because they eliminated all scum and one of them survived?

[MiniDeathStar]

Scum Meter
lane0168
Creature
Tiger moth
Charloux
bangthemafia
Kop
Secret Agent Jin
ScumDeersAreVeryTasty

town

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~town

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null

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~scum

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scum

[MiniDeathStar]

Mod

Say we're in a 3p LyLo (2 town 1 scum) and Charloux is lynched but vengekills scum, would scum win because they got 50% of the votes before the vengekill or would town win because they eliminated all scum and one of them survived?

I think the vengeful kill happens before the vengeful dies, so town should win.

[Creature]

I think Kop has been a bit more active this game than Open 656.

[Creature]

Do you think he could be town for that?

[MiniDeathStar]

Kop is playing mafia on another site, too, btw, I think that might be sapping some of his activity.

Anyway, I don't see stark differences between his play here and in 656 where he was scum. Maybe he was a bit lower on actual content in 656? I'll have to review him again and compare.

[MiniDeathStar]

Ummm actually he was *more* active as scum. I literally don't know what to make of that.

[Secret Agent Jin]

UNVOTE:

Maybe he will survive the night if he is town.

[Charloux]

When i want to live i can't. When i want to die i can't. Sucks to be me.

[MiniDeathStar]

I'd like everyone's biggest 3 townreads that don't include me, Creature or Charloux.

Mine are: Tiger moth, lane and Kop. (Last one because after I thought about it a little, I think he'd have shot me first thing if he was scum)

@Creature:

Do you want to live or die now?

[MiniDeathStar]

Ummmm sorry I totally mistook you for Creature based on the name. Ignore that.

[Creature]

We need Charloux in the majority now. If there's an SK, we probably are at 4:2:1, which means a mislynch would put us at 3:3 (town:antitown).

[MiniDeathStar]

There is an SK. 100%. Not even going to press for vig claims anymore at this point. Today may be our last mislynch.

[MiniDeathStar]

I'd like everyone's biggest 3 townreads that don't include me, Creature or Charloux.

[Creature]

If the SK isn't 1-shot BP, he'll probably hunt for the other mafia.

[Creature]

but it's not nice to lean on SK.

[Creature]

I'm fine with SDAVT lynch, maybe SAJ (or possibly Kop) as an alternative.

[Creature]

We could also massclaim today if you prefer, but not sure if we should.