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Post Post #1400 (ISO) » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:43 am

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In post 1399, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1397, Mathdino wrote:And you don't fucking openly crumb your role. People say they'd do that but they straight up don't.
Eddie Cane did it in Chocolate Mafia.

Gimme a minute to go find the quote.
Eddie Cane is a more shoot from the hip player than either of us
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Post Post #1401 (ISO) » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:44 am

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In post 1385, Something_Smart wrote:You should look again at the circumstances surrounding the joke crumb.
In post 1169, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1167, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1164, RedFlavor wrote:Claiming that you are afraid of getting PRhunted is basically claiming that you are a PR. But if you were really cautious of getting PRhunted you would not mention being cautious of getting PRhunted, because saying that you are cautious of getting PRhunted is basically telling scum to kill you.
No? I'm cautious of pushing anyone because they might drop PR tells. Where did I refer to myself getting PR hunted in that post?
Come On People, i'm obviously town! :P
I literally quoted Gamma saying he was afraid of people dropping PR tells and used a smiley. There is no way that this could be interpreted as a serious crumb rather than a joke.
Yeah and guess what? I'd dropped a crumb as a joke in a past game with Mathdino as well, Tit for Tat. So it's logical to expect him to comb for that sort of crumb as well, which seems to be what he did from reading further down.
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Post Post #1402 (ISO) » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:45 am

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Subject: Mini Normal 1897: Chocolate Mafia - Game Over
Eddie Cane wrote:someone should unvote before ss hammers and I'm forced to vig him
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Post Post #1403 (ISO) » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:46 am

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i mean props to eddie cane but my profile on him as a player is very different from my profile on you
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Post Post #1404 (ISO) » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:46 am

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oh boy an updated wiki gimme a second
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Post Post #1405 (ISO) » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:47 am

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In post 1400, Mathdino wrote:Eddie Cane is a more shoot from the hip player than either of us
Which has no bearing on whether he'd WIFOM his role like that.

And you KNOW that I would WIFOM my role like that because I did it in Lone Wolf.
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Post Post #1406 (ISO) » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:48 am

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In post 1405, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1400, Mathdino wrote:Eddie Cane is a more shoot from the hip player than either of us
Which has no bearing on whether he'd WIFOM his role like that.

And you KNOW that I would WIFOM my role like that because I did it in Lone Wolf.
i literally do not remember that you were even in that game
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Post Post #1407 (ISO) » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:49 am

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In post 1397, Mathdino wrote:
In post 1393, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1391, Mathdino wrote:If it's a joke, then it shouldn't be HIS ACTUAL ROLECLAIM.
Why's that?

Humor is humor. I'd make that joke no matter WHAT my role.
I hate it when people argue this. NSG pulled the same shit of "oh I totally act the exact same as PR, VT, and scum" which is just straight up false. When you're a PR, you play with a different mindset. I played this one like shit and figured
- if CT flips scum, probably gg scum even if I get shot
- if CT flips town, at least I'm not getting killed tonight and can gamesolve tomorrow

You play more survivalistically, you're incredibly aware that the game could be decided on whether or not you get NK'd.

And you don't fucking openly crumb your role. People say they'd do that but they straight up don't.
In post 1394, Not_Mafia wrote:So we should lynch Penguin today then
Gimme some time to metadive and if that looks right, then sure.

Tbh I kinda prefer to just resolve 1v1s on the spot with a pre-ordained lynch order afterwards, since there are more townies alive to talk about the decision. If one of them had the chance to flip information (like mafia roleblocker) or if there were a mechanical benefit to lynching confscum, then sure, but as it is, lynching the partner today just kills a townie.
I'm actually gonna read the game like we'd lynched Smart and you'd been NKed, and see who makes the most sense as Smart's partner. If it's Penguin I'm okay voting Penguin, if not then this will take some thought
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Post Post #1408 (ISO) » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:50 am

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In post 1401, Gamma Emerald wrote:So it's logical to expect him to comb for that sort of crumb as well, which seems to be what he did from reading further down.
This is not what I'm arguing, he obviously SAW it as I expected everyone to see it. I'm talking about him intentionally ignoring the possibility that I just wanted to make a joke because of some bullshit about how "a real cop wouldn't joke crumb their role".
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Post Post #1409 (ISO) » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:51 am

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did a quick search for "crumb" in smart's posts
In post 1680, Something_Smart wrote:I noticed that you thought I was a gunsmith; that was more or less my plan. When I said "I know Espe's role" I (like Ari) thought he was a BG, but after he claimed miller I realized I could spin it into a cop crumb, so I spent the rest of the day implying that I was a cop (hence me putting so much emphasis on "maybe there's another role that will make miller make more sense"). I switched to JK kind of on a whim when EE claimed to have checked me.
this was as a 1-shot BP

smart does not crumb his actual role as PR, he crumbs in a way that draws or dodges the nightkill accordingly

this is playing smart

there is 0 fucking reason to think that mafia wouldn't just fucking shoot him straight up in this game for openly crumbing C-O-P

you know damn well that almost everyone in this game would, as scum, shoot you for that
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Post Post #1410 (ISO) » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:52 am

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In post 1408, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1401, Gamma Emerald wrote:So it's logical to expect him to comb for that sort of crumb as well, which seems to be what he did from reading further down.
This is not what I'm arguing, he obviously SAW it as I expected everyone to see it. I'm talking about him intentionally ignoring the possibility that I just wanted to make a joke because of some bullshit about how "a real cop wouldn't joke crumb their role".
literally correct though

this game is more evidence for that rule
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Post Post #1411 (ISO) » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:53 am

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In post 1409, Mathdino wrote:smart does not crumb his actual role as PR, he crumbs in a way that draws or dodges the nightkill accordingly
You should cite all the non-role-madness games I've played before where I've drawn an investigative role.

...I'll wait.
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Post Post #1412 (ISO) » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:54 am

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In post 1410, Mathdino wrote:this game is more evidence for that rule
So... where is the OTHER evidence?
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Post Post #1413 (ISO) » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:54 am

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do i really have to comb through smart's entire PR post history searching for crumbs when the point is that they don't exist
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Post Post #1414 (ISO) » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:55 am

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In post 1412, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1410, Mathdino wrote:this game is more evidence for that rule
So... where is the OTHER evidence?
have you ever seen a player with a non-eddie-cane/MU-esque playstyle openly crumb their role as that role
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Post Post #1415 (ISO) » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:57 am

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In post 1409, Mathdino wrote:there is 0 fucking reason to think that mafia wouldn't just fucking shoot him straight up in this game for openly crumbing C-O-P
"There is 0 reason to think that mafia wouldn't shoot someone for making a joke."

Gamma. Listen to his argument here. Even he admitted that it was clearly a joke AND that his first thought was that I was VT trying to draw the NK... and now he says there's no reason to believe that scum won't kill me.
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Post Post #1416 (ISO) » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:57 am

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In post 1414, Mathdino wrote:
In post 1412, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1410, Mathdino wrote:this game is more evidence for that rule
So... where is the OTHER evidence?
have you ever seen a player with a non-eddie-cane/MU-esque playstyle openly crumb their role as that role
RC?
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Post Post #1417 (ISO) » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:58 am

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if you're using eddie cane and RC as evidence that you would totally do those things when you clearly play more cautious idk what to tell you

smart rolls tracker here, can't find any crumbs off a skim
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Post Post #1418 (ISO) » Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:00 am

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In post 1415, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1409, Mathdino wrote:there is 0 fucking reason to think that mafia wouldn't just fucking shoot him straight up in this game for openly crumbing C-O-P
"There is 0 reason to think that mafia wouldn't shoot someone for making a joke."

Gamma. Listen to his argument here. Even he admitted that it was clearly a joke AND that his first thought was that I was VT trying to draw the NK... and now he says there's no reason to believe that scum won't kill me.
fucking wat

on this site, scum kills people for making jokes like that, full stop

AS A VT

making that joke would've been a great play, because it's clearly fake, but it's also the kind of thing that gets you killed

AS AN ACTUAL COP

that would be fucking stupid, because there's no reason to believe scum wouldn't just shoot you for even a joke
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Post Post #1419 (ISO) » Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:01 am

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In post 1418, Mathdino wrote:on this site, scum kills people for making jokes like that, full stop
Every time?
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Post Post #1420 (ISO) » Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:02 am

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In post 1419, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1418, Mathdino wrote:on this site, scum kills people for making jokes like that, full stop
Every time?
if they actually give a shit about PR hunting but are also terrible at it, yes
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Post Post #1421 (ISO) » Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:02 am

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So... I have no reason to believe that the scum are not terrible at PR hunting. Is what you're saying.
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Post Post #1422 (ISO) » Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:03 am

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When you are in this game.
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Post Post #1423 (ISO) » Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:04 am

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In post 1415, Something_Smart wrote:his first thought was that I was VT trying to draw the NK
This is a complete misrep. He thought it was that or scum dropping a crumb to point to as their proof of claim. What he's saying I believe is that you can't say it was a joke and then point to it as your crumb. That's just playing both sides.
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Post Post #1424 (ISO) » Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:05 am

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also keep in mind eddie cane and RC have massive targets on their backs as town anyway just by virtue of being them

so it doesn't actually change the equity of shooting them to openly crumb their role

the way they play evolved from very different experiences to you

Edit: yes.

dude the playerlist FYPOV is literally redflavor, N_M, mathdino, gamma, penguin

of these, i imagine i'd be the only one that's not shit at PR hunting

but if you were trying to dodge the kill from me, then openly implying "i'm tunneling math tomorrow" is EXACTLY HOW TO GET ME TO KILL YOU

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