You, Cogito (possibly), mockingjaye, greeknight (Mina obviously, I don't think you were asking that). Wraith scum (also Shadow!).
Mina - my gravest apologies.
In post 1442, greenknight wrote:Plum: Why didn't you express any suspicion of Hascow in the thread (beyond the random call for him to be vigged) or otherwise attempt to get more reads on him?
Because it was a busy Day 1. I chose poorly from among the suspects I couldn't pin down well &c.
In post 1456, Shadow1psc wrote:Alright, Monday morning and caught up. I'll answer MoI in just a second but... wtf Plum, really? I mean... really? Why, in the world would you shoot cow over Ludi? Or like, anyone else? Seriously, I read #1420, but like, what?! Let's back up a second... you want to say that in 24 players, 1 scum kill happened n1, because you decided to be a bad vig? No one else thinks this is really low, and that Plum has been caught? That MoS, for whatever reason, was a more logical scum kill than Cow?
Seriously?
I'm confused. Two kills went down Night 1. I'm presuming that the other kill - the MoS kill - was the Mafia kill. Frankly, if MoS was an illogical scumkill, Oversoul appears an equally illogical, nay, stupid scumkill. The reasons for such odd deaths may or may not be linked. It's not really worth speculating on that right now. Are you saying that two scumkills Night 1 is much more reasonable in a game of this size than one scumkill and one Vig kill? Forgive me for saying so, but that's a stupid, stupid argument.
In post 1459, Shadow1psc wrote:1) 25% of Plum's post count is in response to a soft-claimed scan. This would be a better statistic if Plum had contributed more than 25 posts in a (nearly) 1500 post game thus far. It's day 3, this is the definition of lurking in plain sight.
I've been busy, and my activity has suffered. Occasionally my all-too-gracious backup Mod has ended up doing votecounts - even a lynch scene - because I wasn't prompt enough. Yeah, I haven't been posting much. That's me and another four players. The reasons aren't based in this game.
In post 1459, Shadow1psc wrote:2) Plum's first four posts change votes 3 times. Two of which are clear bandwagon votes, the third of which was your first real 'case' on someone who turned up town. Oversoul turned up town, and I am town. You continued to hound Oversoul for that whole text color business, but unvote for the second half of day 1, then only show back up to ride the diddin train with no explanation or insight.
Figuring out which suspicions are worth following by voting on Day 1 is a perfectly reasonable scumhunting approach - do you really disagree? I had legitimate suspicions of you and of Oversoul, and over the course of the day revisited my opinions and weighed them against other developing suspicions. Yes, Oversoul turned up Town. You seem to forget - and misrepresent - my changed position on Oversoul. I did not 'hound' Oversoul for the text color business - just the opposite. Taking a cleaer view of what the color business could indicate, I concluded that it certainly did not imply Oversoul-scum and was possibly a weak Towntell on Oversoul's part - and I continued to discuss this with people, trying to understand where they were coming from, whether they could see what I saw, and whether they were giving a sincere look at Oversoul's blue text or were being opportunist. The diddin train is pretty damn self-explanatory. Cop claim Day 1, became an explicit 1 vs. 1 (obviously Ludi's bad gambit is an anomaly; one I've not yet encountered and hope never to again), and since Ludi brought it up, diddin was vastly more likely to be the liar. I didn't see much coming of me trying to justify or overexplain that vote. It was self-explanatory. What insight might I have had. 'Hey guys, I was reading diddin's posts and came to a fascinating point! Do you realize that despite the fact that Ludi claimed he investigated diddin and received 'Not Crown-Aligned' diddin actually claimed in his actual posts to
be aligned with the Town?!
In post 1459, Shadow1psc wrote:3) You SHOT Hascow. There is not a single train of thought where this makes sense given the events of day 1 from a town perspective. Not one. And your little 'breadcrumb' is the very reason other people questioned me for not caring about who Hascow's potential target might have been. Admittedly, I missed you saying it completely because you've left no impact on this game whatsoever with your fluffy posting (see: MoS 'case', Oversoul discussions).
Hindsight's 20/20. If Hascow flipped scum, what then? But let's not get caught up in that - it was a stupid move. I agree. Sometimes powerroles make stupid choices (less damned stupid than Ludi's, but there you are). I don't see what you're saying about my breadcrumb. If you think you got accused because of my accurate breadcrumb (you seem to believe that whatever my alignment I really did kill Hascow) . . . are you asking me for an apology? If you want to attack my scumhunting efforts, at least have the courage to do it straight out. Your potshotting is a nice illustration of your own scumminess.
In post 1459, Shadow1psc wrote:4) Day 2. I pointed this out already, but your 'intent to vote Ludi' comment did exactly what I said it would. THAT WAS THE LAST POST YOU MADE ALL DAY, and the first thing you come in and do is crumble automatically to a soft claim with wild tales of why you (someone who's been here quite awhile, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but a competent player) thinks it's not only ok to vig night 1, but to vig someone that I don't think anyone believed was outright scummy. Maybe not obvious town, but there was a much bigger pool to work with, and you could have saved us an entire day with the Ludi crap.
A softclaim from confirmed Town deserves to be dealt with ASAP. Not doing so is unduly distracting. Should I not have 'crumbled'? I won't apologize for adopting the least damaging response after my misguided Vig kill. Others did imply Hascow was scummy - but a Vig need only follow her own heart. I try to be a competent player, and I do Vig Night 1 and there are circumstances where I would again.
I could have saved you an entire day with the Ludi crap? In retrospect, yes. If this is an argument to the stupidity of my choice, it is excellent. If this is an argument that I'm scum, it's miserable and manages to imply I may be Town. Nice job.
In post 1459, Shadow1psc wrote:For these reasons, I have no doubt that you should be hung today. This is me showing my work to the class, because MoI has a bee in his bonnet that my previous scum hunting efforts weren't loud enough.
You're such an obedient scared little scumbag, no?
VOTE: Shadow
In post 1461, Magua wrote:@Plum:
Given that everyone you've found outright scummy so far is now dead, who do you find scummy now?
Shadow. Wraith, for heavens' sakes! Others I suppose. When I reread.
In post 1466, greenknight wrote:Also, concerning Plum:
In post 1431, Plum wrote:
Crumb that I was going to kill him? No. I'm never sure who I'll Vig till I submit the kill.
What's this then?
In post 603, Plum wrote:Probably I'm a much better scumhunter when it's just me and a gun with no Town to talk at.
PREVIEW EDIT: FOURSEENCIRCUMSTANCE, PLAY THE GAME OR DIE.
In post 908, Plum wrote:
Feysal - If we weren't lynching MoS today, I'd probably go with hascow, Magister Ludi, Shadow. But seriously HASCOW, dude. Ludi's a bit inconclusive. Pray we have a Vig, for now.
I did make an oblique Vig crumb, but didn't recall it being in conjunction with any direct crumb for intent to kill Hascow. Probably it was on my mind as a distinct possibility. I didn't intend it as a direct kill target crumb. Your point?
In post 1479, Wraith wrote:I'm still not exactly sure why we're lynching Plum. While a claimed Vig is an obvious cover for a Serial Killer, we don't really have proof she's lying beyond Mina saying she knows someone who knows...something.
Mina knows I'm not lying/haven't contradicted anything she knows.
Edit: Feysal is also a tad bit on the scummish side. May be prejudice there.