New York 115: Wickedestjr's Large Mafia (Game Over)

[Wickedestjr]

Votecount 3:

EGL - (4) - Sc00t, MehPlusRawr, Karma, danakillsu
Battle Mage - (3) - Moospiker, cwf123, CJMiller
danakillsu - (2) - Adrien C, kunkstar7
Mitsuru Kirijo - (2) - EGL, Vezokpiraka
MehPlusRawr - (1) - RichardGHP
Moospiker - (1) - q21
silverbullet999 - (1) - Super Smash Bros. Fan
CJMiller - (1) - Mitsuru Kirijo
Adrien C - (1) - Battle Mage
Sucrose - (1) - guy0
Vezokpiraka - (1) - Asaclardy
Not Voting - (6) - Toon Fighter, caelum, Sucrose, silverbullet999, BlazezRb, Demonhybrid

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

[Toon Fighter]

@ Adrien: That seems a bit farfetchd. It would nedd 13 voters for BM to be lynched. Scum has at most 6 people (assuming single team, or if two tems 8 at most) so for that wagon to come to a lynch it would require a big number of town players to enter it, or for all the scum players to be a part of it, making it a bad setup for the next days (meaning they would be suspects for the rest of the game). It too, scared me a bit, the BM's wagon speed, but, since it has calmed down now, I didn't say anything in my previous post.

And now, for a bit of WIFOM: you could be scum yourself, and you planned that while BM's wagon was growing. It didn't work, and now you are announcing the plan for us to suspect other players, when you are the scummy amongst us. It was a nice try, but you can get past ME!

[Toon Fighter]

Edit: I didn't actually check if you were on that wagon, but that matters little in my theory, as you could be planning to vote him but didn't had time, of the right opportunity

[Karma]

@Adrien: Of the people on the BM wagon, who are the scumz?

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

Your assertion that i hope to lurk is ridiculous and slightly insulting. I've been actively playing for nearly 3 years and over 115 completed games without an avatar. I really don't think it's a problem. I'm typically the guy without the avatar anyway. If you can't get your head around that, then i'll continue my habit of helpfully signing my posts with my initials, as is my custom. If your attention to people's posts is dependant on their avatar, that is a reflection on your scumhunting ability my friend, and the onus is hardly on me to babysit you.

You're blowing this out of proportion.

1. I never said that you hoped to lurk under any condition.

2. My scum hunting ability does not depend on if you have an avatar or not, that's ridiculous. I just said that people will more likely pay attention to you if you got an avatar. It was an suggestion, nothing else.

@EGL: 1. Quality =/= quantity. Yes it helps to have both, as a matter of fact, a lot. However, how much you post does not excuse you from contributing to the game.

2.

EBWOP: If you're town you shouldn't do this.

So does that mean that scums can do this?

Yes... I was 100% serious...

I am voting for someone who hasn't posted once so that he'll be lynched!

Voting for lurkers doesn't really benefit the town much, especially when there are scummier people then the lurkers. Active lurking is scummy, but not passive lurking.

are we really ending RVS this early?

What's the problem with ending RVS early? The quicker we get out of it, the better. We get less information overall if we stay in RVS too long.

[Adrien C]

@Toon: I said it was only a theory. It's possible no one on that wagon is scum. However, I also didn't say ALL of the scum was on the wagon. My theory was there was SOME scum on that wagon. And as for your WIFOM, I posted while the wagoning was still going on and did not vote BM.

@Karma: If this is a serious post, I'm not 100% sure right now. I'm reading all the posts from the wagoners ever since we started getting serious.

[Karma]

It was a serious post. You made a claim, back it up.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

The most suspicious thing I see in the RVS Bandwagon is moospiker posting three times in a row.

[Adrien C]

It was a serious post. You made a claim, back it up.

Ah, I did not make a claim. I stated a theory that I thought is worth looking into. You got any better ideas?

[Battle Mage]

Your assertion that i hope to lurk is ridiculous and slightly insulting. I've been actively playing for nearly 3 years and over 115 completed games without an avatar. I really don't think it's a problem. I'm typically the guy without the avatar anyway. If you can't get your head around that, then i'll continue my habit of helpfully signing my posts with my initials, as is my custom. If your attention to people's posts is dependant on their avatar, that is a reflection on your scumhunting ability my friend, and the onus is hardly on me to babysit you.

You're blowing this out of proportion.

1. I never said that you hoped to lurk under any condition.

2. My scum hunting ability does not depend on if you have an avatar or not, that's ridiculous. I just said that people will more likely pay attention to you if you got an avatar. It was an suggestion, nothing else.

Judge me on my behaviour.

are we really ending RVS this early?

What's the problem with ending RVS early? The quicker we get out of it, the better. We get less information overall if we stay in RVS too long.

Hmm, not necessarily true. I think the "RVS" as a standard opener is hugely overstated. But we're definitely out of it now.

Interesting to note that as my wagon diminished, rather than join me in my vote on AdrienC, a counter-wagon formed on EGL.

My vote on AdrienC stands. I'm considering him guilty until proven innocent, and right now, he's well and truly scummy mcscum scum.

Kunkstar's IoA (and i hate myself for calling this) along with the jumpy nature of his posting is scummy. Ftr, Velocirraptor, or whatever his name is, was right in saying that the people who are most keen to end the RVS are more likely to be scum. I don't think he'd have a particularly difficult time proving it either.

Will continue to get up to date thoughts down.

BM

[Battle Mage]

but when someone votes for themselves in the middle of a wagon I have to ask... even if it is BM.

No you don't. You knew it was a fairly obligatory pointless question. That said, you havent struck me as particularly scummy so far. Will re-read International Mafia at such a time as you need to be addressed. For now, we have scummy newbfish to fry.

BM

[Battle Mage]

The most suspicious thing I see in the RVS Bandwagon is moospiker posting three times in a row.

Because i accidentally posted the above on it's own, i will be looking to match this scumtell.

Hey just got into the game. I didn't like BM's claim that he didn't look at his PM, and his self-vote. Want explanation about that from him. Also think silverbullet is suspect for that semi-random vote in vezokpiraka at this point of the game. Was that vote serious? Want to see what vezo has to say, too, I don't think he posted yet.

I will not vote for now, and will wait for these people to answer before I do so.

I was kidding on both counts. I have read my PM, and i do not genuinely believe i am scum. Geeze, killjoy or what?

Also, do you think silverbullet is suspicious? Or a suspect? *raise eyebrow*

BM, why are you self-voting?

It's both the aforementioned reasons, and also that i genuinely believe i am scum. I haven't read the role pm- just got a funny feelin!

Not reading your role PM can only help scum.

How? Also, thanks Asaclardy and others for the warm welcome.

I think we can safely assume

Dana

is town. Give him 4 day phases, and if he's still alive, we can reassess. He's going in my town until proven scum, pile.

Well, I think that some of the scum were playfully putting some votes on BM and hoping that the votes reached a lynch before anyone realized it. Maybe if the wagon got to L-1, someone on the mafia side would "accidentally" hammer him. I mean, this is just a theory, but I think it may be wise to think about that.

Voting for me is probably a null-tell in the RVS, so there may have been scum on there, but not a disproportionate amount.

@ Adrien: That seems a bit farfetchd. It would nedd 13 voters for BM to be lynched. Scum has at most 6 people (assuming single team, or if two tems 8 at most) so for that wagon to come to a lynch it would require a big number of town players to enter it, or for all the scum players to be a part of it, making it a bad setup for the next days (meaning they would be suspects for the rest of the game). It too, scared me a bit, the BM's wagon speed, but, since it has calmed down now, I didn't say anything in my previous post.

To be fair, in my last game, it happened on Day. 7 votes to lynch and i was run up in the RVS by a bunch of early-voting lazy-ass townies and 2 scum?

And now, for a bit of WIFOM: you could be scum yourself, and you planned that while BM's wagon was growing. It didn't work, and now you are announcing the plan for us to suspect other players, when you are the scummy amongst us. It was a nice try, but you can get past ME!

I like the WIFOM. towntell.

@AdrienC - reassuring to know that all bar 1 of your posts so far have been dishonest, and you did catch a snivelling scumbuddy on my wagon.

Adrien-wagon is definitely the way to go right now.

BM

[Karma]

BM I'm with you on an Adrien wagon. Who else?

UNVOTE: ???
VOTE: AdrienC

[Asaclardy]

Hmmm... Enticing offer, Karma.

Unvote

Vote: Adrien C

[Adrien C]

Good. When I flip town, you guys will know where to go next.

[Karma]

And who is that?

[Battle Mage]

Good. When I flip town, you guys will know where to go next.

Bit early for the appeal to emotion? I mean, really. Even i dont start appealing to emotion after 3 votes, led by a guy who doesnt actually want you lynched at this very moment.

HOWEVER, you are winning me over.

BM

[RichardGHP]

Adrien, avoiding my question one more time will get you into my scum list and earn my vote.

For the record, my question is: Who is, was, are or were the scum on the BM wagon?

[danakillsu]

unvote vote: Scoot

Let's just give him his wish. He wants someone lynched, let's lynch someone.

[Karma]

Dana, what do you think about Adrien's claim of scum on the BM wagon?

[BlazezRb]

It's fair to say that RVS is over now.

Scumreads (in no particular order) :

vezok (Out of place, late RVS vote + generally bad play thus far) [dependant on Blazez' flip]
BlazezRB (early tunnelling) [dependant on vezok's flip]

I would be willing to lynch any of the aforementioned people today.

I'm a noob, whats tunnelling, first time I heard that. And are you saying that if Vezok is scum, then I'm scum, it just a random grugevote. Gosh.

[silverbullet999]

-supersmashbross

What's the problem with ending RVS early?

No actual problem smash... I just like RVS.

[Karma]

Tunnelling - focusing all your attention on one player, ignoring others.

[RichardGHP]

@Blazez: Tunnelling is focussing only on one person (can sometimes by on two or three people, though), normally by unequivocally crusading for their death or excessively questioning them. While you weren't so extreme, the same kind of concept was evident in certain posts that were made by you.

And no, what I meant was, if one of you is town, the other is likely scum, and vice cersa. If you are telling the truth, and it was a random grudge vote, that theory becomes fallacious. I need a flip of either one of you to bring this theory to fruition.

[BlazezRb]

@Blazez: Tunnelling is focussing only on one person (can sometimes by on two or three people, though), normally by unequivocally crusading for their death or excessively questioning them. While you weren't so extreme, the same kind of concept was evident in certain posts that were made by you.

And no, what I meant was, if one of you is town, the other is likely scum, and vice cersa. If you are telling the truth, and it was a random grudge vote, that theory becomes fallacious. I need a flip of either one of you to bring this theory to fruition.

And the BM people weren't

I played vezo last game, and he was tunneling me (not to mention lurking), so yeah, it was grudge RVS, even though it was late, sorry about that.