Open 723: Purgatory! (Hell Phase 3)

[Invisibility]

Awesome

VOTE: Ruru

Screw you. replace out or I'm policy lynching you.

is this vote just because ruru scumread you

[Invisibility]

also i dont believe that UD and ruru cant be scum together anymore
Scum team is probs: UD/ruru/(N_M/teacher/Alchemist)

[Oxy]

Awesome

VOTE: Ruru

Screw you. replace out or I'm policy lynching you.

Well, I was going to make a post about how Ruru's entrance was planned pre-game as evidenced by

1) The length and commitment to the bit
2) The discussion of provably random voting that isn't actually implementable (that's not how vote ties are broken)
3) having both nsg and rc in her read lists

and that a couple of her posts are pinging me town from a meta reason

but this post is just distasteful. Ruru wasn't even pushing you as a policy. You've been abrasive the entire game, and telling someone to replace out is disgusting.

VOTE: RC

policy for being a poor sport

[Oxy]

If this isn't the lynch today, I will replace out because fuck playing with someone like this.

[RC most awesomest]

(Also this doesn't make your slot scummier but lynching RC is +EV by default)

Your friend advocated policy lynching me and then I did the same and all of a sudden I'm the bad guy because I was mature enough to say that my problem was with him not his slot?
When you consider this from the POV that if I replace out of this game today NSG gets lynched 0% of the time then yes my slot getting scumread is 100% personal and having to do with me.

How would you like to debate your alignment with someone who says that lynching you is +EV by default because of things that have nothing to do with your town game?

[RC most awesomest]

I'm just going to replace out myself when I talk to NSG. Don't join games with me again either of you or anyone else who thinks the problem here was me.

[Oxy]

Don't join games with me again

Oh, you don't have to worry about that one, buddy

[Oxy]

You realize there was no push to policy lynch you, right? It was a throwaway line in parenthesis. Ruru never even voted you, nor did she say that she thought you should be lynched. Her only votes have been on UD.

Was it nice? Not really. Did it deserve your response. Absolutely not.

[RC most awesomest]

When you've dealt with people seriously advocating policy lynches on those grounds time and time again then you see it different than someone like you who will never experience this as a serious part of gameplay.

[Invisibility]

Also I am going to half OMGUS / half based on merit vote:

VOTE: Invisibility

wait what the crap i didn't vote you

[ruru]

So umm, is there something I'm missing or can RC just make an anonymous alt like anyone else?

But yeah I don't understand why playing to win is everyone else's problem.

For the record RC, I really look up to your scum winrate and plan to like study all your games at some point. I don't have anything personal against you (especially not if you're making those posts for an in-game reason), although your posts toward me felt a bit like a personal attack

[ruru]

2) The discussion of provably random voting that isn't actually implementable (that's not how vote ties are broken)

Oh, whoops. I've always seen plurality lynches tiebroken randomly

[Oxy]

Oh, whoops. I've always seen plurality lynches tiebroken randomly

Hmm. I guess I'll have to put more thought into your opening bit.

[Oxy]

@ruru In the hypothetical world where ties are broken randomly, please explain what you thought the best way of utilizing that mechanic would be.

[ruru]

Let's say we were at 4:3

It's very difficult to lynch scum, even though there are so many of them. Sacrificing one town for the sake of VCA seems questionable to me at this point. If relying on VCA, there is probably at least one misled town / one scum voting with the town bloc who won't get caught

I think it could be better to random lynch here, because I suspect town's winrate by continuing to play normally is even worse

[teacher]

Alright, Im checking into the game for real now. I could sheep Oxy because I dislike the personal vitriol, but want to read before I do. Going to catch back up through the pages. Anyone got some questions for me, or want to influence me with a tl/dr?

[ruru]

Sacrificing one town for the sake of VCA seems questionable to me at this point.

Actually, I just realized there's an upside to lynching town here, which is that it prevents a 4:2 heaven phase (which, in this example, is an instant loss if scum are lynched). I guess we want to avoid heaven phases when possible. Hmm

[ruru]

I'm actually crazy, no scum went to heaven

Never mind the above as well

[Oxy]

Let's say we were at 4:3

It's very difficult to lynch scum, even though there are so many of them. Sacrificing one town for the sake of VCA seems questionable to me at this point. If relying on VCA, there is probably at least one misled town / one scum voting with the town bloc who won't get caught

I think it could be better to random lynch here, because I suspect town's winrate by continuing to play normally is even worse

So in a 4:3 scenario, we would have 1 town in hell, and 1 town in heaven, and would be in a hell phase.

Did you go any further in your analysis of this situation, or was that as far as you had considered?

p.edit From your last posts, I'll assume you did not unless you tell me otherwise.

[ruru]

Yes, I wasn't thinking of specific situations until now. I just generally observed that there are a lot of scum in the setup, and I thought random voting was possible and potentially useful

[ruru]

Also I wonder if using the heaven lynch more like a cop check is reasonable (unless/until 1 scum gets to heaven)

[ruru]

Like I think something's wrong in my assumptions

Either JD is not as bad as I think it is or lynching probtown d2 is wrong or the setup is scum-sided and we basically have to lynch scum today

[Oxy]

Okay, I'm comfortable town binning ruru.

@ruru That situation does bring up an interesting point, though. Thoughts on the following?

If we end up in 4:3, meaning 1 town in heaven and 1 in hell, and we mislynch, we will be at 3:3 JD with 1 town in heaven.

In that scenario, it's up to that single player to correctly scum hunt.

If we mislynch today, I think we should try to send the best scum hunter to heaven, presuming we aren't strongly town reading them.

Candidates include: AP, NM (if a town tell for nm is having good reads, he must be a decent scum hunter), and... NSG/RC

[Oxy]

presuming we aren't strongly

scum

reading them.

ebwop

[teacher]

Interesting setup analysis. Interesting wagon on RC. But generally lost, and didnt like the OMGUS explanation from

VOTE: UglyDuck